Pedrosa speaks of Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Nov 26 2007, 04:09 PM) [snapback]102297[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

My moto is....

There are ........ in EVERY country....don't be YOUR countries ........



Is that supposed to be ironic

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 26 2007, 10:14 AM) [snapback]102299[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Is that supposed to be ironic


possibly

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BigAl @ Nov 26 2007, 01:24 PM) [snapback]102285[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
...except for....motojt who is very offensive and seems to dislike anything that is "non-american"....
Dude, you're an ...... You obviously only read the few posts from this thread. I was even labeled as anti-American in another thread so I think you need to exercise you're reading skills before making sweeping generalizations.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 26 2007, 08:50 AM) [snapback]102266[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
English semantics are very important in any debate of racism.
Being a white American just makes a person who lives in US and is not culturally or genetically distinct...ask yourself what is American culture?
Now that's just not true otherwise black people couldn't be racist against white people and that's obviously not the case. And again, it would presume that black people can't be racist against other black people and that's not the case either. How about this: let's just replace the word racist in my earlier post to prejudiced. Then we can bypass the semantics and focus on the point. Actually, let's just get back on topic... Dani has an attitude problem and is just being pissy because he has bike developer (and physique) envy.

P.S: Do you really believe we don't have our own culture in the U.S, Migs?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 26 2007, 06:50 PM) [snapback]102312[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dude, you're an ...... You obviously only read the few posts from this thread. I was even labeled as anti-American in another thread so I think you need to exercise you're reading skills before making sweeping generalizations.
Now that's just not true otherwise black people couldn't be racist against white people and that's obviously not the case. And again, it would presume that black people can't be racist against other black people and that's not the case either. How about this: let's just replace the word racist in my earlier post to prejudiced. Then we can bypass the semantics and focus on the point. Actually, let's just get back on topic... Dani has an attitude problem and is just being pissy because he has bike developer (and physique) envy.

P.S: Do you really believe we don't have our own culture in the U.S, Migs?

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Nov 26 2007, 11:09 AM) [snapback]102297[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
BACK ON TOPIC: I still think Nick should punch Dani in the throat.


Better than that...I think they should duke it out 1on1 on the track to see who the real #1 rider is.

In fact, every team should do this during the off season. It would give us some kickass entertainment!! I'd pay to see it!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(raven46 @ Nov 25 2007, 11:09 PM) [snapback]102263[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i think that some americans are anti enough

some are still racist to say mexicans, latins, people of iraq and the middle east, russians, chinese the list can go on..
i dont know what has been said to make you feel that people are anti-american im sure there are some here just like with everything else
but im also sure that what has been said is nothing as bad as americas history towards other nations and peoples and what i read on other forums and see through the media clarifies that racisim is still alive and kicking in the good old U.S.A.

so i cant really see the point in your complaining i think its unjustifiable


Please

Hate is alive and well in every nation. Look what you've done with your "education". You learned that America, among nearly every nation on earth, has committed moral atrocities. You apply your education by branding modern human beings with the ignoble traits of their predecessors. If smart people start behaving this way, it's going to be terrifying watching dumb people try to navigate this planet.

The truth of the matter is all of us were born after slavery ended, all of us were probably born after WWII, most of us were born after Vietnam. I haven't ever committed a racial atrocity and I never will. That's about the best I can do.

By the way stop believing our media. Isn't that the first thing you learn in American culture 101? There is 1 fact upon which the article is based, it's just like Hollywood.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 26 2007, 06:50 PM) [snapback]102312[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Actually, let's just get back on topic... Dani has an attitude problem and is just being pissy because he has bike developer (and physique) envy.

P.S: Do you really believe we don't have our own culture in the U.S, Migs?


Dani has no physique envy of Nicky....Dani is a prototypical GPs racer, and Nicky is build for Burgers and Superbikes.

Regarding the culture thing; I was born and raised in Cleveland, and have lived in Detroit, Houston, San Antonio, Los Angeles/Orange County and San Franciso (1 block from the Haight and Ashbury corner)...and I can tell you without doubt or reservation that there is NO US culture. If anything the great Melting pot that is starting to congeal into Mexican or Latin culture!

What do you think is American Culture? Is it being a Hill Billy like Nicky, or California dude like Hopper, or a Texan like Edwards?

Nicky doesn't get enough credit.

hes a fantastic rider, great to watch imo.

i agree nicky doesnt get enough credit, i do believe that he gets used as a work horse but he doesnt see it that way because he likes to work. i also think pedrosa is a good rider but his attitude is much bigger than his body.

regarding the american debate. lol. my dad is native american and puerto rican mixed and my mother is from trinidad. i will agree america has no culture. the only thing all americans do alike is put on their pants and celebrate the 4th of july. we are a country of different cultures, there is no way for us to have a culture.

i cant believe the turn this thread took.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 26 2007, 03:43 PM) [snapback]102324[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dani has no physique envy of Nicky....Dani is a prototypical GPs racer, and Nicky is build for Burgers and Superbikes.



and yet he is the 06 world champion...

your comment only helps to support the argument that nicky is the better rider of the two. if mr burger man can throw his fat burger eating ... on a bike and go out there and still win races, he is obviously doing something right. we all know that if dani were given the opportunity to grow a few inches and put on a few pounds of muscle he would take it and never look back

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 25 2007, 01:32 AM) [snapback]102200[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, well my opinion is based on my expectation that Dovi will have a relitively standard rookie year and hayden will be once more comfortably in the top 5. Both of these things could easily not happen.


Ok, we mostly agree, allthough what I ment was that if Dovi get near Hayden I suspect Honda could suddenly rearrange the pecking order as I think they want to pay more attention to they younger riders. I suspect they see Haydens chances to repeat his winning year are next to zero and therefor not a very valuable asset for Honda any more.

Every country has it's own culture. I would think over the past 200+ years we'd have one too. I would normally never quote wikipedia, but here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_the_United_States

Yes, the States is a "melting pot," but we do have a distinct culture as well as several "sub cultures." Before I read the article I was just going to say, "Baseball and Barbeques."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DirtyD86 @ Nov 26 2007, 11:44 PM) [snapback]102342[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
we all know that if dani were given the opportunity to grow a few inches and put on a few pounds of muscle he would take it and never look back
You got my point exactly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 26 2007, 08:13 AM) [snapback]102265[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

As far as American history being the worst in history, I think you need to open a history book.



where did i say that????

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DirtyD86 @ Nov 26 2007, 11:44 PM) [snapback]102342[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
your comment only helps to support the argument that nicky is the better rider of the two. if mr burger man can throw his fat burger eating ... on a bike and go out there and still win races, he is obviously doing something right.

Did Nicky win a race I missed this year?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 27 2007, 12:58 AM) [snapback]102352[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Ok, we mostly agree, allthough what I ment was that if Dovi get near Hayden I suspect Honda could suddenly rearrange the pecking order as I think they want to pay more attention to they younger riders.

I suspect they see Haydens chances to repeat his winning year are next to zero and therefor not a very valuable asset for Honda any more.


I agree, but I don't think there is any suddenly about it. I think going into the first few races Dovi just needs to make a good showing and he is in....Nicky has to win win win to undo the Puig/Pedrosa dominance of the Repsol team....This weeks tests will tell.

I have my doubts about us seeing Nicky winning any race in 2008 or again at all...let alone the title....

Nicky can be best developement rider in the world, and HRC will still be looking to Pedrosa, and Dovi for future fortune and glory....thats unfair for sure, but it is the politcs and reality of MotoGP (IMO).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 27 2007, 09:35 AM) [snapback]102366[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I agree, but I don't think there is any suddenly about it. I think going into the first few races Dovi just needs to make a good showing and he is in....Nicky has to win win win to undo the Puig/Pedrosa dominance of the Repsol team....This weeks tests will tell.

The initial tests are a bit early to throw Nicky off, don't you think? Especially as they are on very different equipment right now.
But I agree with the rest of the above, and below. Fair or not, it's the way big red thinks.
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I have my doubts about us seeing Nicky winning any race in 2008 or again at all...let alone the title....

Nicky can be best developement rider in the world, and HRC will still be looking to Pedrosa, and Dovi for future fortune and glory....thats unfair for sure, but it is the politcs and reality of MotoGP (IMO).

Good Lord that took forever to read. I had to wipe my eye from the laughter repeatedly. Damn, at this rate I’m never gonna catch up with all the threads I’ve missed these last few months. Jesus H Christ, if I started to respond to every ........ comment on this thread, I’d be here for months just on this one. ....... this was a good one too.

Basically here is my short answer. Of course I could elaborate, but who I’m I gonna convince?

Basically, my take can be summarized with: Dani Padrosa is a .....! It’s obvious no matter how much of an arrogant fool he is (and God knows I’ve written essays about him on this forum) the same old supporters will defend his indefensible attitude and behavior. (Keep in mind, I said last year that I would withhold judgment, since the Portugal incident was one of a few reasons I disliked the bugger). And here again he has shown (as he has shown all year, with his demands, threats, and pouting) that he is nothing more than a willing lap dog, and eager-beaver to get his ears sodomized by his supercilious-slimy mentor Alberwhore Puig. Oh and as far as the translation into Spanish that was debated, please, he was being a condescending little crying ...... Those claiming to read Spanish and reached a different conclusion are straight illiterate in the language or lying. The ..... was insulting, nothing more, nothing less. El carbon sabia lo que dijo, no traten de cambiar el tono de lo que dijo el puto.

The American sub theme is way too much for me to comment on, accept to say, yes, some do harbor anti-American sentiment, and it’s obvious who they are on this thread. But as somebody said, idiots have been equally spread throughout the globe, we gott’em, and so you do. As for me, I’ve been to Europe and was treated with respect and kindness. (Except from this French policeman at the airport, but maybe it was my fault for calling him, “un hijo de puta,” who would have known he spoke Spanish.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Dec 13 2007, 12:38 PM) [snapback]104189[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
. El carbon sabia lo que dijo, no traten de cambiar el tono de lo que dijo el puto.


Bien dicho. Well said.

I said it once, and I'll say it again. Pedrosa was very rude in the Spanish interview.

He said things like:


"The champion didn't know how to develop a bike". Obviously, he was using the term champion to refer to Nicky in jest.

Also, he said something like(I can't recall exactly, I'm not going to dig it up again).

"Nicky came back crying for my parts'...

Also, when asked if its better to be alone than in bad company(allgedly Nicky Hayden) he replied "ABSOLUTELY".

There's no ambiguity, he was dissing Nicky.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RCV600RR @ Dec 13 2007, 04:49 AM) [snapback]104194[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

There's no ambiguity, he was dissing Nicky.




im not taking dani's side but if he was dissing nicky so what, im sure they have all diss'd each other at some stage

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(raven46 @ Dec 13 2007, 04:59 AM) [snapback]104195[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
im not taking dani's side but if he was dissing nicky so what, im sure they have all diss'd each other at some stage


I don't think Nicky has ever dissed Dani in public, even after Estoril, when it would have been understandable, he didn't make it personal.
Dani saying this unprovoked is just rude and arrogant.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 26 2007, 02:04 PM) [snapback]102314[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
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Before you show that flag, you should really know and understand what it means.

As far as Nicky's clutch issues in 2006...they were never resolved throughout the course of the season. I recall reading a report in which it was finally stated that when they designed that engine for Hayden's bike, they placed the clutch basket too deep inside the case. The clutch was getting too hot and that was what caused a large portion of Hayden's issues. Again, does anyone recall Pedrosa having any clutch issues in 06 because I don't.