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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 25 2007, 12:27 AM) [snapback]102198[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
But he doesn't need to show that performance now. "All" he have to do is to get on or above t Haydens level in HRC's books. And I agree with migs, that won't take much. I said earlier that Hayden is the #2 rider and that's true for now, but I think he can quickly drop down the pecking order unless doing really well and others don't step up and challenge his position.


Yeah, well my opinion is based on my expectation that Dovi will have a relitively standard rookie year and hayden will be once more comfortably in the top 5. Both of these things could easily not happen.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 24 2007, 02:17 PM) [snapback]102161[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can't speak for others really, but i don't think there is hate directed at americans for being a american but for acting in a certain way which a notable portion of americans act.


americans are not as you see us on the tele

i've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit, and the one thing i've learned from it is that idiots have been spread equally across the globe
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 24 2007, 05:44 AM) [snapback]102088[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Capirossi is not a better 250 champ than Dani, Kato, Harada and plenty more of the old-school 250 riders that never get mentioned.

Great names in 250 no doubt,but not a title among them.In the last 20 years,there has been 1 rider/ champion in Moto Gp that was champion on a 250.Thats my contention that in the big picture, the 250 class doesnt carry that much weight.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JohnnyKnockdown @ Nov 24 2007, 11:08 PM) [snapback]102197[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm an American and I've been here for almost 6 months and from everything I've read I don't see any anti American rhetoric.
Do you actually read the posts?

"maybe after you guys are done "..... slappning" pedrosa why dont you sit down eat a steak with a bald eagle behind you"
"...you guys are the fat capital of the world! I have been to Seattle 6 times florida once california twice Oaklahoma once (i think how you spell) and the thing that stuck out the most for me was.. REALLY fat people and starbucks haha (which is ....)"
"For some bizarre reason, the americans seem to love that kinda thing. That, and having ... with their cousins."

So you didn't read any of those posts? If you even are an American I dare you to go up to a black guy and tell him, "All black people are stupid and lazy," and let's see how he feels about it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BigAl @ Nov 24 2007, 09:53 PM) [snapback]102190[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you seem to be a little self-important and just plain ....... rude...
if you want your ego masturbated, then try somewhere else. lots of people, of all nationalities were happy to see Hayden win, especially the true fans of moto gp....

I'm self-important and rude because I call people on their (racist) ........? And yes, a lot of people were happy to see Hayden win, but even more people were playing it down saying he "got lucky" and "didn't deserve to win." Much like how people are bitching about Stoner winning this year. Once again, I'm just calling people on their .........
 
Hello all. I have been following this forum for the past few months. You guys/gals offer a lot of great insight and entertainment in the motogp world. It looks like many are very intelligent people and I am glad to be making my first post here.

I know a lot of you are saying that Hayden is on his way out and I seriously hope that you are wrong. He is our figurehead over here in America right now as far as Motogp goes. I know that some may argue with this but he has the most publicity. Honda would be doing itself a favor to provide him with the best bike possible to be succesful. We buy a lot of bikes over here. Did anyone see the Repsol gang at Laguna Seca this year??

Anyways I thought I would post a link to a similar interview on similar questions asked to Nicky. Take it for what its worth. I put in some quotes that I thought stood out for me.

Part 1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>When we pulled the blankets off it last year at Valencia, I thought, "Are you kidding me?" And I sat on it, and I thought, "No, this has got to be a joke. Is somebody trying to punk me, like the TV show?" But as it went along, I felt a lot better.

Part 2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>I don't want to just BS you all and dance around the question too much, but I don't want to say anything, because I really think next year, the input on next year's bike, they listened to me a bit more. And even this year, because I'm the main test rider at Honda, so they've got to listen to me some.


Part 3

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>I would say I didn't start seeing improvements in results and qualifying until I just got the bike working a little bit better to where I could ride it, where I felt comfortable on it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 25 2007, 03:33 AM) [snapback]102205[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm self-important and rude because I call people on their (racist) ........? And yes, a lot of people were happy to see Hayden win, but even more people were playing it down saying he "got lucky" and "didn't deserve to win."


I know this may be a little difficult to accept, but here goes....American is not a Race of people....And taking the piss out of Americans is not being racist towards them...

Nicky did deserve the title since he had the most points at the end of the 2006 season, but he did get really lucky with everyone else of talent having terribly bad luck.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SackWack @ Nov 25 2007, 07:15 AM) [snapback]102210[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I know a lot of you are saying that Hayden is on his way out and I seriously hope that you are wrong. He is our figurehead over here in America right now as far as Motogp goes. I know that some may argue with this but he has the most publicity. Honda would be doing itself a favor to provide him with the best bike possible to be succesful. We buy a lot of bikes over here.


Welcome SackWack, great first post....
You are right Nicky does spearhead the MotoGP maching in the US, and it is all down to publicity. Consider this though, would the majority of Americans really notice if Nicky was a 1st string factory honda bike versus a 2nd or 3rd string non-factory Honda?
I don't think so, since the publicity machine would spin it make it seems balanced or close. Nicky will always put on the best face and do the marketing job as told to do so by Dorna or HRC (IMO).
Eitherway, the US will continue to buy bikes with or without Nicky at the helm.

Side question; which is the best selling bike maker in the US at the moment, Harley, Honda, Ducat or other?
Mostly curious, but it might be oddly relevant.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BigAl @ Nov 24 2007, 03:53 PM) [snapback]102190[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
can i clear something up?

i dont dislike americans, just an american.....and yes, that would be you.....

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you seem to be a little self-important and just plain ....... rude...
if you want your ego masturbated, then try somewhere else. lots of people, of all nationalities were happy to see Hayden win, especially the true fans of moto gp....

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So, are you speaking again against all americans? I can not tell.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eagle088 @ Nov 25 2007, 03:49 PM) [snapback]102225[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So, are you speaking again against all americans? I can not tell.

here we go again
thats all have a pissing match
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eagle088 @ Nov 25 2007, 10:49 AM) [snapback]102225[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So, are you speaking again against all americans? I can not tell.



i thought he said he only dislikes an american. american in the singular not the plural. that means he isnt speaking against all americans. or maybe i was the only one to catch that.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 22 2007, 02:42 AM) [snapback]101853[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Let's try to recap recent Honda developments:

- In 2006, HRC give Hayden a 'laboratory bike' to race during the championship. This is considered the 'preview' of the new 800cc - it has a smaller frame. Hayden manages to win the WC on it.

- Honda introduces a completely new bike in 2007, built applying the concept of 'mass centralization', significantly smaller than the 2006 990cc predecessor. It is also different from Hayden's 2006 laboratory bike... Many think it has been designed with Dani Pedrosa in mind.
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- Hayden is suprised - he tested a bike in 2006, he even won on it, and now they give him something totally different! He is not happy. Pedrosa gives more positive feedback (of course). But the results do not come - all Honda riders struggle. In the second half of the season, things improve: at the end, Honda seems to be able to fight back and Pedrosa wins the last GP.

- During post-race tests at Valencia, HRC bring the 2008 prototype for testing. This bike looks a lot like Nicky's 2006 laboratory bike - it is still small, but the layout and weight distribution seem more similar to the 2006 laboratory bike. Hayden says he likes it, Pedrosa is not happy and asks for many changes.
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- Pedrosa declines joining the tests at Sepang, since the changes he asked for cannot be implemented so quickly and he considers useless to test without them. Hayden goes to Sepang with both the 2008 and the 2007 bikes, tests both, crashes with the 2008 model and then using a quali tyre does a record lap on the 2007 bike.

- In an interview to El Mundo Deportivo, Pedrosa blames Hayden for being useless or incompetent as a test rider and practically declares he hopes HRC will listen to him only for future bike development.
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Is this information correct? Which conclusions could one draw from the above?
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Hmmm...........this is good, but it still needs a few things added.

1. Honda gave Hayden a laboratory bike Hayden proceeded to pilot the 211V Evo into a comfortable lead until the 2007 mass-centralization updates arrived (clutch). The parts were removed after 2 rounds. Rossi was too strong, Hayden got hit by his more or less statistically eliminated teammate at Estoril. Honda and Hayden lose all glory when Rossi bins it from midpack at Valencia. Yellow smoke bursts from the pyrotechnic display at Nicky's championship celebration!

2. Hayden does a record lap on the old 2007 bike with qualis which is completely normal for a bike with a frame that stiff. It has no feel so it needs qualifiers to give the rider enough confidence to push.

3. Pedrosa shoots his mouth off about Hayden being a bad teammate, developer, whatever. Par for the course when talking about Pedrosa. The great thing about Nicky is, he doesn't expect his success to come by throwing all viable competition under the bus. Pedrosa is clearly blinded by Puig who is behind this whole thing pulling the strings. Puig needs someone to blame because the contract he landed for Dani is appearing to be less than it was advertised to be (it was advertised as easy championships).

I don't care that Pedrosa is pissed. He probably has good reason to be--look who he is riding for. When he started complaining mid-season, I was his advocate b/c he was hammering Honda for building a lemon. Now, he's lampooning Hayden. How worthless can you be? You criticize your teammate? This is typical 250 child behavior. They want a championship winning bike handed to them. If he wants to get mad, he should get mad at Honda for not letting him test, not at Hayden for failing to deliver to him the perfect bike.

Pedrosa is the definition of the word arrogant. He actually thinks it is Hayden's job to deliver a bike that he can use to win a championship for himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the problem.
 
have a few weeks, months.. however long off the forum, been lurking for a while mind, but damn, what a bunch of ...... i know its off-season n all and everyone needs there kicks, but who gives a ....? Dani and Nicky are both .... anyway!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 25 2007, 08:55 AM) [snapback]102212[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I know this may be a little difficult to accept, but here goes....American is not a Race of people....And taking the piss out of Americans is not being racist towards them...
Well, if you can be racist talking about Russians, Germans, Jews, blacks, Mexicans, etc. then the same holds true for Americans. I know it's not technically racist since all of above belong to the human race, but you know where I'm going with this line of thought. Semantics, I know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 25 2007, 08:55 AM) [snapback]102212[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Side question; which is the best selling bike maker in the US at the moment, Harley, Honda, Ducat or other?
Mostly curious, but it might be oddly relevant.
A while back I read that it was Harley Davidson. Remember that HD also includes Buell.
 
Well at least it's not the usual Rossi vs Stoner ......... Interesting to read though. 2008 should set this record straight.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 26 2007, 03:28 AM) [snapback]102257[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well, if you can be racist talking about Russians, Germans, Jews, blacks, Mexicans, etc. then the same holds true for Americans. I know it's not technically racist since all of above belong to the human race, but you know where I'm going with this line of thought. Semantics, I know.




no offence to any american but i have to laugh at this.. an american complaining of racial abuse and your probably white
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Nov 26 2007, 05:09 AM) [snapback]102260[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well at least it's not the usual Rossi vs Stoner ......... Interesting to read though. 2008 should set this record straight.



hey i always look forward to the Rossi vs Stoner ........
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(raven46 @ Nov 26 2007, 06:27 AM) [snapback]102261[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
no offence to any american but i have to laugh at this.. an american complaining of racial abuse and your probably white
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... ive heard it all now
Why? Does "racial" abuse apply to every nationality on Earth except white Americans? Anyone can be anti-American, but we can't be anti anything?
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Now I'VE heard it all...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 26 2007, 06:38 AM) [snapback]102262[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Why? Does "racial" abuse apply to every nationality on Earth except white Americans? Anyone can be anti-American, but we can't be anti anything?
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i think that some americans are anti enough

some are still racist to say mexicans, latins, people of iraq and the middle east, russians, chinese the list can go on..
i dont know what has been said to make you feel that people are anti-american im sure there are some here just like with everything else
but im also sure that what has been said is nothing as bad as americas history towards other nations and peoples and what i read on other forums and see through the media clarifies that racisim is still alive and kicking in the good old U.S.A.

so i cant really see the point in your complaining i think its unjustifiable
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(raven46 @ Nov 26 2007, 07:09 AM) [snapback]102263[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i think that some americans are anti enough
As are some people in all countries...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(raven46 @ Nov 26 2007, 07:09 AM) [snapback]102263[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>i dont know what has been said to make you feel that people are anti-american im sure there are some here just like with everything else
but im also sure that what has been said is nothing as bad as americas history towards other nations and peoples and what i read on other forums and see through the media clarifies that racisim is still alive and kicking in the good old U.S.A.

so i cant really see the point in your complaining i think its unjustifiable

If you want to call me poking back at the anti-Americans complaining, whatever, but all you have to do it read a few posts back to see a few examples of what's been said. I'm not going to copy/paste it again. My point was that people should shelve their racist/nationalist ......... If they can't say anything productive or even semi-intelligent they should shut the hell up.

As far as American history being the worst in history, I think you need to open a history book. Our measly 231 years of war history is nothing compared to the centuries (and in some cases millennia) of violence and hatred coming out of most countries in the rest of the world. Sierra Leon, China, Iraq, France, Germany, Spain, Russia, Brittain... you really think we have the ugliest history in the world?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 26 2007, 03:28 AM) [snapback]102257[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well, if you can be racist talking about Russians, Germans, Jews, blacks, Mexicans, etc. then the same holds true for Americans. I know it's not technically racist since all of above belong to the human race, but you know where I'm going with this line of thought. Semantics, I know.

English semantics are very important in any debate of racism.

Racism Definition
1) a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2) a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3) hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

If you were Native American then it would be racism.
Are most Americans Native American? No
Being a white American just makes a person who lives in US and is not culturally or genetically distinct...ask yourself what is American culture?

Back to the topic at hand...Nicky Hayden a Native American? I don't think he is, but one never knows with Americans.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 26 2007, 06:38 AM) [snapback]102262[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Why? Does "racial" abuse apply to every nationality on Earth except white Americans? Anyone can be anti-American, but we can't be anti anything?
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Now I'VE heard it all...


Racism is a crime in most civilized nations, and free speech against any one nation is not a crime!

<span style="color:#3366FFAgain back to the Topic...Is Nicky Honda #1 Rider?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sinner @ Nov 25 2007, 04:23 PM) [snapback]102227[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i thought he said he only dislikes an american. american in the singular not the plural. that means he isnt speaking against all americans. or maybe i was the only one to catch that.
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absolutely spot on sinner....

i have met a lot of american people and all of them have been really nice decent people. and the same can be said of the americans on this forum except for....motojt who is very offensive and seems to dislike anything that is "non-american"....
 
I'm 1st generation "American"

No matter where you're from, what color you are, what ..., your religion, etc etc....i have nothing against anyone, cause I hate EVERYONE equally...

My moto is....

There are ........ in EVERY country....don't be YOUR countries ........
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BACK ON TOPIC: I still think Nick should punch Dani in the throat.
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