Pedrosa speaks of Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Nov 22 2007, 07:33 AM) [snapback]101876[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Pedrosa a massive ego? ........ so because he asks for specific improvements to help him go faster (you know, the aim of testing) and says that hayden may not be great at developing the 800 he's big headed ... you make me laugh. yes hayden works hard, yes hayden is a genuine nice guy, yes he's a good rider but that doesnt mean what dani said isnt true. just look at Dani's results compared to hayden's first 2 seasons and they speak for themselves...
ahh so thats why he isnt testing then... i wondered why he wasnt in sepang. what's the problem in wanting improvements and if he can't get them keeping the bike that got him 2nd in the championship? (i dont think this will happen though) why should he waste his valuable free time riding round a track if its not going to help him go faster?

at the end of the day, hayden and pedrosa are two different people with two different riding styles and two very different personalities, there are inevitably going to be clashes but i dont see what was insulting about what dani said in this interview. people are just using it as a reason to attack him. AGAIN.



This argument makes no sense. You falsely assume that I based my judgment of Pedrosa on this single interview. When in fact my assesment was made from watching his career over the past few years. Also my statements of Pedrosa have little to do with Hayden's ability to test a bike. If Pedrosa rode of Kawasaki or anyone else I would make the same statement.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 23 2007, 06:39 AM) [snapback]102005[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I completely agree, and Hayden fans think he got shafted this year...wait until 2008....he is going to be treated like the proverbial 'red headed step child' by HRC...

Ducati did pursue Nicky above Stoner, but Ducati now have their super team with Casey and Marco in place for the next year ++, so Nicky is out of the factory Ducati team...but he could get lucky and get Guintoli's seat in 2009.



Migs
Even if Nicky loses his seat at HRC you keep relegating him to be completely out of MotoGP.
This is probabaly a discussion for another thread but he is still considered a top rider from the other factories.
The guys going to be on one factory or another for at least a few years so get used to it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 23 2007, 12:28 PM) [snapback]102028[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
it winds me up when some say these smaller cc class championship mean nothing. it' close fairing bashing racing and only top racers win them imo.


In the big picture,they really dont mean squat and doesnt guarantee success with the big boys.2 of the greatest 250 champs of all time,
Biaggi and Capirossi would trade those titles in a heartbeat for a GP title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Nov 24 2007, 03:37 AM) [snapback]102064[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
In the big picture,they really dont mean squat and doesnt guarantee success with the big boys.2 of the greatest 250 champs of all time,
Biaggi and Capirossi would trade those titles in a heartbeat for a GP title.


Capirossi is not a better 250 champ than Dani, Kato, Harada and plenty more of the old-school 250 riders that never get mentioned.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eagle088 @ Nov 23 2007, 08:20 PM) [snapback]102040[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
This argument makes no sense. You falsely assume that I based my judgment of Pedrosa on this single interview. When in fact my assessment was made from watching his career over the past few years. Also my statements of Pedrosa have little to do with Hayden's ability to test a bike. If Pedrosa rode of Kawasaki or anyone else I would make the same statement.


right, well if this isnt just based on this one interview then what's Dani done over his career that brings you to this opinion. tell me because i honestly dont know... my opinion of Pedrosa is that he speaks his mind but is not rude or arrogant. he obviously knows he is a talented rider because he is where he is today but Dani does't shout the fact about like others do. in front of the press, he doesnt say much and i think this is partly (well, mostly) because of Alberto and the fact he tells him when to breathe, let alone talk to the press. in interviews like this one he isnt exactly over complimentary but arrogance... i just dont see it

what one person sees as arrogance another obviously doesnt...


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Nov 24 2007, 03:37 AM) [snapback]102064[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
2 of the greatest 250 champs of all time,
Biaggi and Capirossi would trade those titles in a heartbeat for a GP title.


maybe so, but lower class title do not mean nothing. battles in 125 and 250 are usually much more brutal than the motogp class. IMO winning a title in the lower classes, especially the 125's, is much more difficult than in the big class because, in theory (if you exclude the likes of Bautista and Lorenzo who utterly dominated the whole season) there are many more winners. i think the smaller class titles are just as worthy as a motogp crown.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JohnnyKnockdown @ Nov 24 2007, 12:01 AM) [snapback]102058[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Migs
Even if Nicky loses his seat at HRC you keep relegating him to be completely out of MotoGP.
This is probabaly a discussion for another thread but he is still considered a top rider from the other factories.
The guys going to be on one factory or another for at least a few years so get used to it.


Okay what factory team could pick him up in 2009?

Suzuki - CV has a contract and Spies is likely to join him...unless Spies does not come to GPs or Spies gets his own team...but both are unlikely so this option is probably out for Nicky.

Yamaha - Rossi Could retire then assuming Lorenzo allows Nicky to be teamed with him...this could be possible, but this assumes Rossi leaves Yamaha or GPs completely at the end of 2008...

Kawasaki - Hopper is not going to best pleased to have Nicky as teammate, but it is possible if West suddenly gets real expensive or under performs in 2009

Ducati - Stoner and Melandri are not moving for until 2010 least so that's out...

Repsol - Well he could surprise the world and win the 2008 title, or out perform Dani to keep his seat...

There are posibilities, but the likelies scenario is that he moves to Honda Satelite team for 2009, and waits for another factory 2010 ride...eitherway, he is going to repeat the KRJR slow slide out of GPs.

Eitherway, good luck to Nicky.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 21 2007, 03:46 PM) [snapback]101772[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Honda need to chose the guy with the best shot at winning the title for them in 2008 and beyond....Is that Dani or Nicky for Repsol HRC?


it's dovizioso

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Nov 24 2007, 10:46 AM) [snapback]102089[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
battles in 125 and 250 are usually much more brutal than the motogp class. IMO winning a title in the lower classes, especially the 125's, is much more difficult than in the big class because, in theory (if you exclude the likes of Bautista and Lorenzo who utterly dominated the whole season) there are many more winners. i think the smaller class titles are just as worthy as a motogp crown.

i agree, plus theres a lot more riders to compete against.

Wow, it's plainly obvious what members of this forum dislike Americans just for the hell of it. I wish I was on here last year when the anti-Americans were crying foul about Nicky WINNING THE TITLE so I could rub their penile envious noses in it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 24 2007, 07:09 PM) [snapback]102160[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Wow, it's plainly obvious what members of this forum dislike Americans just for the hell of it. I wish I was on here last year when the anti-Americans were crying foul about Nicky WINNING THE TITLE so I could rub their penile envious noses in it.




I can't speak for others really, but i don't think there is hate directed at americans for being a american but for acting in a certain way which a notable portion of americans act.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 24 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]102161[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
for acting in a certain way which a notable portion of americans act.


I think 'notable' is a bit unfair, I think the number of Americans who display the traits that tend to irritate others are a very small minority. And that's true of every nationality.
Americans I've met are nothing like the cliched image we have of them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 23 2007, 11:19 AM) [snapback]101999[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
..........As the rookie, the smallest rider in the padock there is no way they would design it around Dani. Honda build motorbikes and they focus on building the best bike and the best bike doesn't focus around a rookie. .............


Pedrosa was no more a rookie at the end of 2006, he was 'the Rookie of the Year". For 2007, Honda could well have gone out of their usual way and design a bike for him, since they didn't consider that Hayden could do it back to back and were really desperate to win again. Practically everybody in the paddock saw the RC212 as the Pedrobike, not just a few amateurs in a few forums here and there

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Helix @ Nov 24 2007, 07:25 PM) [snapback]102162[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think 'notable' is a bit unfair, I think the number of Americans who display the traits that tend to irritate others are a very small minority. And that's true of every nationality.
Americans I've met are nothing like the cliched image we have of them.


Personaly i think its hit and miss, as it is with any nation or group of people. But there are so many americans.................

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Nov 24 2007, 04:48 PM) [snapback]102153[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
it's dovizioso


I think you hit the nail on the head Frosty. Dovi is more likely to be the next HRC champion than Pedrosa....Dovi may shock us in 2008, and lead the HRC charge in 2009, most likely with Repsol and posibly as an indepent factory team (like Rossi in 2000).

Just a side note; I am an American (born in Cleveland, parents live in San Antonio, and my last US home was San Francisco), and I live and calls the UK Home....so no hatred for Americans here mates.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 24 2007, 09:05 PM) [snapback]102181[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think you hit the nail on the head Frosty. Dovi is more likely to be the next HRC champion than Pedrosa....Dovi may shock us in 2008, and lead the HRC charge in 2009, most likely with Repsol and posibly as an indepent factory team (like Rossi in 2000).



I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself when Dovi tests well once and you call him the next big thing, HRC haven't treated him especially well and Pedrosa has been more successful throughout. It will take a VERY strong performance next year to get Dovi on the Pedrosa level in HRC's books.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 24 2007, 09:11 PM) [snapback]102183[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself when Dovi tests well once and you call him the next big thing, HRC haven't treated him especially well and Pedrosa has been more successful throughout. It will take a VERY strong performance next year to get Dovi on the Pedrosa level in HRC's books.


I have called Dani the next Biaggi for sometime now...and I think Casey has proven that you can be second or third in the small classes and still be great in the big class...

But you are right I may be getting ahead of myself....don't be surprise if Dovi seems to be getting new or good parts as quickly as Nicky does in 2008...HRC owe Dovi for not supporting him in 2007 and most of 2006, and HRC has apologised to him for it....so they will be making it up to him...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 24 2007, 09:15 PM) [snapback]102185[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I have called Dani the next Biaggi for sometime now...and I think Casey has proven that you can be second or third in the small classes and still be great in the big class...

But you are right I may be getting ahead of myself....don't be surprise if Dovi seems to be getting new or good parts as quickly as Nicky does in 2008...HRC owe Dovi for not supporting him in 2007 and most of 2006, and HRC has apologised to him for it....so they will be making it up to him...


As impressive as the tests have been, i expect things to go the other way. Nicky will have 08 machinary, and i dont expect Dovi to get many favours next year. After that though, i don't know. I certainly doubt he'll get a one man team before Dani does.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 24 2007, 07:09 PM) [snapback]102160[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Wow, it's plainly obvious what members of this forum dislike Americans just for the hell of it. I wish I was on here last year when the anti-Americans were crying foul about Nicky WINNING THE TITLE so I could rub their penile envious noses in it.




can i clear something up?

i dont dislike americans, just an american.....and yes, that would be you.....



you seem to be a little self-important and just plain ....... rude...
if you want your ego masturbated, then try somewhere else. lots of people, of all nationalities were happy to see Hayden win, especially the true fans of moto gp....

I'm an American and I've been here for almost 6 months and from everything I've read I don't see any anti American rhetoric.
Some guys like Nicky, some don't Some seem like they hate him but hating Nicky does not equate to being anti American.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 24 2007, 10:11 PM) [snapback]102183[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself when Dovi tests well once and you call him the next big thing, HRC haven't treated him especially well and Pedrosa has been more successful throughout. It will take a VERY strong performance next year to get Dovi on the Pedrosa level in HRC's books.


But he doesn't need to show that performance now. "All" he have to do is to get on or above t Haydens level in HRC's books. And I agree with migs, that won't take much. I said earlier that Hayden is the #2 rider and that's true for now, but I think he can quickly drop down the pecking order unless doing really well and others don't step up and challenge his position.