Pedrosa speaks of Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Nov 21 2007, 11:11 PM) [snapback]101803[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm amused at the amount of hatred some Nicky fans show here. I don't see the big deal in those comments.

So he thinks Nicky is not good at developing the bike ... so what? is it and insult or something???


Just as amusing is the heavy arguments: does more laps, work harder, nicer guy...

One could easily be lead to belive that he stays out there on the track just recoring info for the engineers, clueless about what needs adjustment himself. I'm not claiming this, just showing that the number of laps doesn't prove .....

I'm affraid the "big deal" about those comments is that they, again, question Haydens "worth" as a WC and for the first time it came from his team. It hurts as he did so bad this year and to question Haydens ability is even worse than to question Rossi's ability as so many here do every day.

Btw, someone here mentioned it seamed most important for Pedrosa to beat his team mate and that showed how bad the realtionship was!
I got news for you: The most important in racing is allways to beat your teammate. That is the best performance bench you got and everyone are comparing you with your teammate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 22 2007, 10:49 AM) [snapback]101813[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Just as amusing is the heavy arguments: does more laps, work harder, nicer guy...

One could easily be lead to belive that he stays out there on the track just recoring info for the engineers, clueless about what needs adjustment himself. I'm not claiming this, just showing that the number of laps doesn't prove .....
Combined with the HRC president's sentiments that Hayden is an incredible development rider, then I think they are adequate premises for the conclusion that Hayden is a good development rider; better than Pedrosa.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RCV600RR @ Nov 22 2007, 12:47 AM) [snapback]101812[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes, indeed, it was an insult. He clearly said 'Hayden came back crying for my parts'. Also, he referred to being with Hayden as being mal acompanado(in bad company) 'absolutamente'(absolutely!)!? Hablas espanol y sabes muy bien que no es exactamente educado hablar asi sobre un miembro de su equipo.


Yes I do speak Spanish and I have read the original interview. And the interviewer asks if he'd rather be alone that in bad company, which of course he says yes, he doesn't refer to Nicky in any place of this answer.

He said that the "other cried" to get the same parts as him. Obviously Nicky was not crying it's a figurative speech we use frequently to say someone complained about something.

I honestly don't see any insults in there, he states he thinks Nicky is not a good development rider, probably it's not nice to point out negative aspects of someone but that's far from an insult.

I think it's just a case of rabid Dani haters jumping at every little thing Dani says or does because they can't deal with the fact Dani has outshone his much more experienced teammate by so much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Nov 21 2007, 03:19 PM) [snapback]101779[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Are you joking?
Sure, right after you're done slurping down some more spaghetti with a fat greasy Italian (think Uccio) playing the accordion behind you.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Nov 21 2007, 06:52 AM) [snapback]101710[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
wow... and american attitude is very strange sometimes
maybe after you guys are done "..... slappning" pedrosa why dont you sit down eat a steak with a bald eagle behind you


any other ignorant stereotypes you guys would like to throw in?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eagle088 @ Nov 21 2007, 02:55 PM) [snapback]101774[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Pedrosa is the next Biaggi. The guy has an ego the 3 times his size. I am biased but Hayden has won a Moto GP title, Pedrosa has not. Stick with the proven results. Hayden works as hard or harder than anyone in the paddock and there is no ego ........ with him. The guy shows up, works hard, does his job and thats it. Never attacks anyone in the press and never makes excuses.


you took the words right out of my mouth. i am slightly biased, being american, but in my eyes hayden is one of the most genuine riders in the series. he is a simple man i will admit... his existence seems to be centered around his family, and riding motorcycles. i think it is safe to assume that most who insult hayden do so simply because they think he's just some hillbilly american participating in a mainly european sport. i honestly cannot think of any other reasons. the guy treats everyone around him with respect, rides to the best of his ability and thats it. i remember reading that he never even tasted alcohol until his first time on the podium. he is not out chasing women, when everyone knows he could have a monopoly on tail if he wanted. hes dedicated to a point that most others cant even touch

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RCV600RR @ Nov 22 2007, 12:53 AM) [snapback]101814[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Combined with the HRC president's sentiments that Hayden is an incredible development rider, then I think they are adequate premises for the conclusion that Hayden is a good development rider; better than Pedrosa.


Add nothing to something and you got nothing more.

I'm not taking sides here, but so far the pedrosa haters has come up with absolutly no arguments what so ever. At least his is from the padock irl. They best most here can come up with is "..... slapping". heavy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 21 2007, 07:33 PM) [snapback]101820[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Add nothing to something and you got nothing more.

I'm not taking sides here, but so far the pedrosa haters has come up with absolutly no arguments what so ever. At least his is from the padock irl. They best most here can come up with is "..... slapping". heavy


his attitude, and the way he treats the people around him are the only reasons i will ever need to dislike him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DirtyD86 @ Nov 22 2007, 11:35 AM) [snapback]101821[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
his attitude, and the way he treats the people around him are the only reasons i will ever need to dislike him.


Pedrosa is a great rider, he's already been bitchslapped ( worldwidely let alone Americanly ) over the Hayden thing. Lets not fool ourselves and say we didn't realise things are "icy" in the Repsol camp.

Besides who here can say all that stuff written is "Gospel" ...... it was written by someone who "writes to get read" .....

Actually I'm thinking the Repsol garage would be the best to do the Bridgestone/Michelin split garage thing!! ..... they are already 90% there

All these arguements and noone has mentioned Honda's theory of
mass centralization.
The 800 was the most advanced bike they built around this theory.
Honda's engineering got it all wrong on this bike not the riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JohnnyKnockdown @ Nov 22 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]101836[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
All these arguements and noone has mentioned Honda's theory of
mass centralization.
The 800 was the most advanced bike they built around this theory.
Honda's engineering got it all wrong on this bike not the riders.


What was this theory? ..... and how did they get it wrong?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Nov 21 2007, 12:19 PM) [snapback]101779[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Are you joking?
Sure, right after you're done slurping down some more spaghetti with a fat greasy Italian (think Uccio) playing the accordion behind you.



sorry phorest I normally enjoy reading your post and agree with you but how can anyone from america complain about the weight of ANY other country you guys are the fat capital of the world! I have been to Seattle 6 times florida once california twice Oaklahoma once (i think how you spell) and the thing that stuck out the most for me was.. REALLY fat people and starbucks haha (which is ....)


and my point in my posts was why are americans getting so upset? we never heard the sound clip of this interview! a writer can make any article look how they see fit I mean we just had this same debate with the dovi criticize (spelling?) of rider aids article!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 21 2007, 11:49 PM) [snapback]101813[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Just as amusing is the heavy arguments: does more laps, work harder, nicer guy...

One could easily be lead to belive that he stays out there on the track just recoring info for the engineers, clueless about what needs adjustment himself. I'm not claiming this, just showing that the number of laps doesn't prove .....


I 1000% agree with this post. Nicky is probably the nicest hardest working person in the paddock, but being nice in a cut throat sport and being a mule does not mean results....Nicky's 2007 season show that!

I have sneaking suspicion Nicky is being 'Criville'd' or 'Biaggi'd' by HRC. Meaning he is being shafted by Repsol HRC to ensure he can be 'handed his hat and shown the door' as soon as possible into the 2008 season.

Criville suffered from health issues, but he could have been treated better by HRC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...kes/1751061.stm

However, HRC was looking to the future with Rossi as they are today with Pedrosa (and Dovi)...

So no matter how many laps or how many a$$e$ Nicky kisses will help his propect at Repsol HRC for 2009....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 21 2007, 11:49 PM) [snapback]101813[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm affraid the "big deal" about those comments is that they, again, question Haydens "worth" as a WC and for the first time it came from his team.

As above...

Let's try to recap recent Honda developments:

- In 2006, HRC give Hayden a 'laboratory bike' to race during the championship. This is considered the 'preview' of the new 800cc - it has a smaller frame. Hayden manages to win the WC on it.

- Honda introduces a completely new bike in 2007, built applying the concept of 'mass centralization', significantly smaller than the 2006 990cc predecessor. It is also different from Hayden's 2006 laboratory bike... Many think it has been designed with Dani Pedrosa in mind.

- Hayden is suprised - he tested a bike in 2006, he even won on it, and now they give him something totally different! He is not happy. Pedrosa gives more positive feedback (of course). But the results do not come - all Honda riders struggle. In the second half of the season, things improve: at the end, Honda seems to be able to fight back and Pedrosa wins the last GP.

- During post-race tests at Valencia, HRC bring the 2008 prototype for testing. This bike looks a lot like Nicky's 2006 laboratory bike - it is still small, but the layout and weight distribution seem more similar to the 2006 laboratory bike. Hayden says he likes it, Pedrosa is not happy and asks for many changes.

- Pedrosa declines joining the tests at Sepang, since the changes he asked for cannot be implemented so quickly and he considers useless to test without them. Hayden goes to Sepang with both the 2008 and the 2007 bikes, tests both, crashes with the 2008 model and then using a quali tyre does a record lap on the 2007 bike.

- In an interview to El Mundo Deportivo, Pedrosa blames Hayden for being useless or incompetent as a test rider and practically declares he hopes HRC will listen to him only for future bike development.

Is this information correct? Which conclusions could one draw from the above?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 22 2007, 10:42 AM) [snapback]101853[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Let's try to recap recent Honda developments:

- In 2006, HRC give Hayden a 'laboratory bike' to race during the championship. This is considered the 'preview' of the new 800cc - it has a smaller frame. Hayden manages to win the WC on it.

- Honda introduces a completely new bike in 2007, built applying the concept of 'mass centralization', significantly smaller than the 2006 990cc predecessor. It is also different from Hayden's 2006 laboratory bike... Many think it has been designed with Dani Pedrosa in mind.

- Hayden is suprised - he tested a bike in 2006, he even won on it, and now they give him something totally different! He is not happy. Pedrosa gives more positive feedback (of course). But the results do not come - all Honda riders struggle. In the second half of the season, things improve: at the end, Honda seems to be able to fight back and Pedrosa wins the last GP.

- During post-race tests at Valencia, HRC bring the 2008 prototype for testing. This bike looks a lot like Nicky's 2006 laboratory bike - it is still small, but the layout and weight distribution seem more similar to the 2006 laboratory bike. Hayden says he likes it, Pedrosa is not happy and asks for many changes.

- Pedrosa declines joining the tests at Sepang, since the changes he asked for cannot be implemented so quickly and he considers useless to test without them. Hayden goes to Sepang with both the 2008 and the 2007 bikes, tests both, crashes with the 2008 model and then using a quali tyre does a record lap on the 2007 bike.

- In an interview to El Mundo Deportivo, Pedrosa blames Hayden for being useless or incompetent as a test rider and practically declares he hopes HRC will listen to him only for future bike development.

Is this information correct? Which conclusions could one draw from the above?



That list couldbe easily re-witten thought

HRC trust Hayden with the bike they designed specifically to beat Rossi after he left to Yamaha, he succeeds

HRC start testing the 07 bike which (as usual for HRC) is tiny and heavily foccussed around mass centralization.

Dani gets to grips quicker than nicky and his results are better all season long, but the bike struggles, Naturally bot riders have been asking for different things and will feel as though the other is holding development back. Dani speaks out, Niky doesn't

Honda (having realized their mistakes bring out the 2008 bike which is bigger and looks more like the 990. Both riders are pleased and the development will continue.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Nov 22 2007, 11:21 AM) [snapback]101818[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes I do speak Spanish and I have read the original interview. And the interviewer asks if he'd rather be alone that in bad company, which of course he says yes, he doesn't refer to Nicky in any place of this answer.

He said that the "other cried" to get the same parts as him. Obviously Nicky was not crying it's a figurative speech we use frequently to say someone complained about something.

I honestly don't see any insults in there, he states he thinks Nicky is not a good development rider, probably it's not nice to point out negative aspects of someone but that's far from an insult.

I think it's just a case of rabid Dani haters jumping at every little thing Dani says or does because they can't deal with the fact Dani has outshone his much more experienced teammate by so much.

With all due respect my Spanish friend, you're making a point from nothing. I never said that Pedrosa said that Hayden literally cried, it was obviously a figure of speech(A rude one, at that.) I'm not actually disagreeing with you on that point.

When he complains about Nicky, then he is asked if he wants to be alone in a team, then, the very next question was 'better to be alone than in bad company?' and he replied 'YES ABSOLUTELY'. This is a clear, although implied, reference to Nicky Hayden.

Come on man, it's clear he was, at the very least, showing little respect for Nicky Hayden.

Anyway, Nicky entered the season with a(Pedrosa inflicted) injury. He barely even fit on the bike(neither did Checa). There is no doubt the bike was developed around Dani, so it's not surprising that he beat an injured Hayden. However, Nicky is the one with the MotoGP world title. Not Dani.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 22 2007, 11:15 AM) [snapback]101855[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
HRC trust Hayden with the bike they designed specifically to beat Rossi after he left to Yamaha, he succeeds


So HRC designed a bike specifically beat Rossi and trust Nicky to do the job, and it still takes Nicky all of 2004, 2005, and most of 2006 to do the deed...is this what your saying?

And so Barros and Biaggi were just there to what ride around in circles until Nicky got to grip with the 'Rossi beater'?

And your premise seem not to mention a .005 of second win by Elias over Rossi, 2 Yamaha engine failures, and 1 chunked Michelin.....or was this all part of HRC's Masterful Bike Design?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 22 2007, 12:15 PM) [snapback]101855[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That list couldbe easily re-witten thought

HRC trust Hayden with the bike they designed specifically to beat Rossi after he left to Yamaha, he succeeds

HRC start testing the 07 bike which (as usual for HRC) is tiny and heavily foccussed around mass centralization.

Dani gets to grips quicker than nicky and his results are better all season long, but the bike struggles, Naturally bot riders have been asking for different things and will feel as though the other is holding development back. Dani speaks out, Niky doesn't

Honda (having realized their mistakes bring out the 2008 bike which is bigger and looks more like the 990. Both riders are pleased and the development will continue.


You say both riders are pleased with the 2008 proto? Dani has even refused to test it in Sepang...

I actually have the impression that Pedro is going to ask mama Honda to drop the 2008 bike (which seems to me an evolution of the 2006 frame, not of the 2007 one) and continue instead with developing the 2007 model on which he won at Valencia...!

It seems evident that there is war now between Hayden and Pedrosa as to who will be the development leader at HRC. Nicky likes the 2008 prototype, Dani doesn't...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 22 2007, 11:56 AM) [snapback]101861[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1. So HRC designed a bike specifically beat Rossi and trust Nicky to do the job, and it still takes Nicky all of 2004, 2005, and most of 2006 to do the deed...is this what your saying?

And so Barros and Biaggi were just there to what ride around in circles until Nicky got to grip with the 'Rossi beater'?

2. And your premise seem not to mention a .005 of second win by Elias over Rossi, 2 Yamaha engine failures, and 1 chunked Michelin.....or was this all part of HRC's Masterful Bike Design?


1. The bike only came out in Brno 2005 when Honda realized that the standard RCV had reached the end of its development envelope too early. Obviously Hayden was not the number one rider until 2006 after he beat Biaggi in 05.

2. What a silly thing to say. We all know racing is unpredictable and anything can happen, if everything was controlled it wouldn't even be fun. The bike Nicky road was deigned to win the world championship, and it succeeded, well done Honda and Nicky.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 22 2007, 12:00 PM) [snapback]101862[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It seems evident that there is war now between Hayden and Pedrosa as to who will be the development leader at HRC. Nicky likes the 2008 prototype, Dani doesn't...


Well Nicky and Dani have been riding for pride against each other since day one 2006, thats nothing new. As for development, i seem toremember reading positive comments from Dani ater his Valencia test on the new bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DirtyD86 @ Nov 22 2007, 10:27 AM) [snapback]101819[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
any other ignorant stereotypes you guys would like to throw in?
you took the words right out of my mouth. i am slightly biased, being american, but in my eyes hayden is one of the most genuine riders in the series. he is a simple man i will admit... his existence seems to be centered around his family, and riding motorcycles. i think it is safe to assume that most who insult hayden do so simply because they think he's just some hillbilly american participating in a mainly european sport. i honestly cannot think of any other reasons. the guy treats everyone around him with respect, rides to the best of his ability and thats it. i remember reading that he never even tasted alcohol until his first time on the podium. he is not out chasing women, when everyone knows he could have a monopoly on tail if he wanted. hes dedicated to a point that most others cant even touch


I totally agree with you ..... and I'm not from the Northern Hemisphere!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 22 2007, 01:05 PM) [snapback]101863[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
.............
Well Nicky and Dani have been riding for pride against each other since day one 2006, thats nothing new. As for development, i seem toremember reading positive comments from Dani ater his Valencia test on the new bike.


Pedrosa has refused to test again the 2008 bike until they implement all modifications he asked for, so he didn't go to Sepang with Hayden. I wouldn't consider that a positive de-facto feedback...

He will now test the 2008 proto again in Jerez. Unless he finds the bike 100% satisfactory after the changes he asked for, my guess is that he is going to ask Honda to keep using the 2007 Pedrobike...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 22 2007, 12:15 PM) [snapback]101867[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Pedrosa has refused to test again the 2008 bike until they implement all modifications he asked for, so he didn't go to Sepang with Hayden. I wouldn't consider that a positive de-facto feedback...

He will now test the 2008 proto again in Jerez. Unless he finds the bike 100% satisfactory after the changes he asked for, my guess is that he is going to ask Honda to keep using the 2007 Pedrobike...


I don't think he will bother asking for the 07 bike, everyone knows its flawed and Honda wont develop two completely different factory bikes. He's already said that the size of the 2008 mchine is fine, and if he knows hes getting chages soon why ride around for data that will be irrelevant in a matter of weeks.