hmmm....Mladin was the only other rider other than Spies to dip into the 1:23;s at Mid Ohio....Guess he is just passed his prime and should retire.....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 9 2007, 07:28 PM) [snapback]83870[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And you totally ignore the fact he was crap in any other series?
and which other series would you be referring too? Oh no doubt his one year on the Cagiva in 1993. Of course ... we should judge him on that alone!
Of course you can't count the fact he was an Australian Superbike champion as well ... I forgot ... another crap series! How dare we compare anything to BSB ... the Holy Grail of Motorcycle racing!
And you totally ignore the fact he was crap in any other series?
and which other series would you be referring too? Oh no doubt his one year on the Cagiva in 1993. Of course ... we should judge him on that alone!
Of course you can't count the fact he was an Australian Superbike champion as well ... I forgot ... another crap series! How dare we compare anything to BSB ... the Holy Grail of Motorcycle racing!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Aug 9 2007, 08:30 AM) [snapback]83853[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If Mladin is past it then why did he win both races on the weekend? Does this say something about your national championship?
It says nothing about our national championship because Phleg and I are British
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Aug 9 2007, 09:18 AM) [snapback]83861[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I also wanna see Camier in WSBK next year! Give the poms something to root for and get excited about as far as the future is concerned!
Camier isn't ready, he had such a strong start this season but since has come off the boil and settled into fairly normal positions. I say get him on one of the vacant HM plant bikes next year and see how he goes from there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 9 2007, 10:20 AM) [snapback]83867[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm sorry I said that, Mladin never had it in the first place, he was only ever good enough for national series, he was a Foggy, liked being a big fish in a small pond.
Mladin was very much like Foggy (except obviously at much lower level) in the way he didn't move on to bigger challanges when he could have at least tried. But he is a very solid rider, and a few years ago i woulda said worthy of a world superbike ride. Now however i see him very much the way i see Lavilla, a seriously fast rider and at times the best guy out there, but riding in his comfort zone most of the time. This season the level of BSB has been raised once again and Lavilla is struggling to up his game, i think Mladin would suffer from a similar problem if he moved elswhere or if AMA got more competative.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Aug 9 2007, 12:12 PM) [snapback]83878[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
and which other series would you be referring too? Oh no doubt his one year on the Cagiva in 1993. Of course ... we should judge him on that alone!
Of course you can't count the fact he was an Australian Superbike champion as well ... I forgot ... another crap series! How dare we compare anything to BSB ... the Holy Grail of Motorcycle racing!
Mladin was never good enough for GP, but at least he did briefly give it a shot. Australian superbikes used to be a very strong series so i don't think that is to be ignored at all, but nowdays its lost all of its status and has fallen behind AMA.
If Mladin is past it then why did he win both races on the weekend? Does this say something about your national championship?
It says nothing about our national championship because Phleg and I are British
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Aug 9 2007, 09:18 AM) [snapback]83861[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I also wanna see Camier in WSBK next year! Give the poms something to root for and get excited about as far as the future is concerned!
Camier isn't ready, he had such a strong start this season but since has come off the boil and settled into fairly normal positions. I say get him on one of the vacant HM plant bikes next year and see how he goes from there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 9 2007, 10:20 AM) [snapback]83867[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm sorry I said that, Mladin never had it in the first place, he was only ever good enough for national series, he was a Foggy, liked being a big fish in a small pond.
Mladin was very much like Foggy (except obviously at much lower level) in the way he didn't move on to bigger challanges when he could have at least tried. But he is a very solid rider, and a few years ago i woulda said worthy of a world superbike ride. Now however i see him very much the way i see Lavilla, a seriously fast rider and at times the best guy out there, but riding in his comfort zone most of the time. This season the level of BSB has been raised once again and Lavilla is struggling to up his game, i think Mladin would suffer from a similar problem if he moved elswhere or if AMA got more competative.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Aug 9 2007, 12:12 PM) [snapback]83878[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
and which other series would you be referring too? Oh no doubt his one year on the Cagiva in 1993. Of course ... we should judge him on that alone!
Of course you can't count the fact he was an Australian Superbike champion as well ... I forgot ... another crap series! How dare we compare anything to BSB ... the Holy Grail of Motorcycle racing!
Mladin was never good enough for GP, but at least he did briefly give it a shot. Australian superbikes used to be a very strong series so i don't think that is to be ignored at all, but nowdays its lost all of its status and has fallen behind AMA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 9 2007, 09:52 PM) [snapback]83883[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It says nothing about our national championship because Phleg and I are British
Camier isn't ready, he had such a strong start this season but since has come off the boil and settled into fairly normal positions. I say get him on one of the vacant HM plant bikes next year and see how he goes from there.
Mladin was very much like Foggy (except obviously at much lower level) in the way he didn't move on to bigger challanges when he could have at least tried. But he is a very solid rider, and a few years ago i woulda said worthy of a world superbike ride. Now however i see him very much the way i see Lavilla, a seriously fast rider and at times the best guy out there, but riding in his comfort zone most of the time. This season the level of BSB has been raised once again and Lavilla is struggling to up his game, i think Mladin would suffer from a similar problem if he moved elswhere or if AMA got more competative.
Mladin was never good enough for GP, but at least he did briefly give it a shot. Australian superbikes used to be a very strong series so i don't think that is to be ignored at all, but nowdays its lost all of its status and has fallen behind AMA.
Except Foggy at a MUCH lower level? You're kidding Tom! Foggy was on par with Mladin or vice versa. Mladin went to the USA and found his niche in motorcycle racing and has done very well out of it. Can't blame him for that. As for the Australian superbike series I would totally have to disagree.It has been through a lull but is still producing Australia quality riders in a factory line like it has for the past 15/20 years. How different home series compare is totally up to individual analysis. I don't see the British superbikes making too many world champs in the last 10/15 years. Does that make it a crap series?
It says nothing about our national championship because Phleg and I are British
Camier isn't ready, he had such a strong start this season but since has come off the boil and settled into fairly normal positions. I say get him on one of the vacant HM plant bikes next year and see how he goes from there.
Mladin was very much like Foggy (except obviously at much lower level) in the way he didn't move on to bigger challanges when he could have at least tried. But he is a very solid rider, and a few years ago i woulda said worthy of a world superbike ride. Now however i see him very much the way i see Lavilla, a seriously fast rider and at times the best guy out there, but riding in his comfort zone most of the time. This season the level of BSB has been raised once again and Lavilla is struggling to up his game, i think Mladin would suffer from a similar problem if he moved elswhere or if AMA got more competative.
Mladin was never good enough for GP, but at least he did briefly give it a shot. Australian superbikes used to be a very strong series so i don't think that is to be ignored at all, but nowdays its lost all of its status and has fallen behind AMA.
Except Foggy at a MUCH lower level? You're kidding Tom! Foggy was on par with Mladin or vice versa. Mladin went to the USA and found his niche in motorcycle racing and has done very well out of it. Can't blame him for that. As for the Australian superbike series I would totally have to disagree.It has been through a lull but is still producing Australia quality riders in a factory line like it has for the past 15/20 years. How different home series compare is totally up to individual analysis. I don't see the British superbikes making too many world champs in the last 10/15 years. Does that make it a crap series?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Aug 9 2007, 01:40 PM) [snapback]83889[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Except Foggy at a MUCH lower level? You're kidding Tom! Foggy was on par with Mladin or vice versa.
Are you trying to be funny?
Foggy won world championships in SBK, Mladin did neither, he got greedy and decided to stay where the money was, rather than test himself.
Mladin wilcarded Laguna in 2003, he got:
4th, 12.322 seconds behind the winner Chili (that says it all).
DNS race 2 due to exhaustion...
He isn't a patch on the world level guys.
Except Foggy at a MUCH lower level? You're kidding Tom! Foggy was on par with Mladin or vice versa.
Are you trying to be funny?
Foggy won world championships in SBK, Mladin did neither, he got greedy and decided to stay where the money was, rather than test himself.
Mladin wilcarded Laguna in 2003, he got:
4th, 12.322 seconds behind the winner Chili (that says it all).
DNS race 2 due to exhaustion...
He isn't a patch on the world level guys.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Aug 9 2007, 01:40 PM) [snapback]83889[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Except Foggy at a MUCH lower level? You're kidding Tom! Foggy was on par with Mladin or vice versa.
You are trying to claim that a national superbike champion is on a par with the best superbike rider of all time! get real
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 9 2007, 01:49 PM) [snapback]83891[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Mladin wilcarded Laguna in 2003, he got:
4th, 12.322 seconds behind the winner Chili (that says it all).
DNS race 2 due to exhaustion...
He isn't a patch on the world level guys.
This puts things into perspective very nicely, thanks.
Except Foggy at a MUCH lower level? You're kidding Tom! Foggy was on par with Mladin or vice versa.
You are trying to claim that a national superbike champion is on a par with the best superbike rider of all time! get real
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 9 2007, 01:49 PM) [snapback]83891[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Mladin wilcarded Laguna in 2003, he got:
4th, 12.322 seconds behind the winner Chili (that says it all).
DNS race 2 due to exhaustion...
He isn't a patch on the world level guys.
This puts things into perspective very nicely, thanks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Aug 9 2007, 01:40 PM) [snapback]83889[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't see the British superbikes making too many world champs in the last 10/15 years. Does that make it a crap series?
Well our series started in 1995 and has been the highest profile national series since then. Kagayama, Hodgson and Bayliss have all mae successful world championship careers after gaining BSB experience. In the same time frame Australian superbikes has produced Andrew Pitt.
I don't see the British superbikes making too many world champs in the last 10/15 years. Does that make it a crap series?
Well our series started in 1995 and has been the highest profile national series since then. Kagayama, Hodgson and Bayliss have all mae successful world championship careers after gaining BSB experience. In the same time frame Australian superbikes has produced Andrew Pitt.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Aug 9 2007, 10:40 PM) [snapback]83889[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Except Foggy at a MUCH lower level? You're kidding Tom! Foggy was on par with Mladin or vice versa. Mladin went to the USA and found his niche in motorcycle racing and has done very well out of it. Can't blame him for that. As for the Australian superbike series I would totally have to disagree.It has been through a lull but is still producing Australia quality riders in a factory line like it has for the past 15/20 years. How different home series compare is totally up to individual analysis. I don't see the British superbikes making too many world champs in the last 10/15 years. Does that make it a crap series?
Son...I must remind you...and please I’m not trying to make Aussie racers legends...but in/or in comparison to the Brits “AND THAT IS IN THE MODERN ERA”...and please boy’s/girl’s don’t go back to the “Dinosaur age!!”...
But I must agree with Son!!!...I want to take you back to Mr. Gardner’s era!!! And what the aussies had to compete against and achive!!!...Gardner came from and I’m NOT talking about the “SUPER BIKE ERA/PEDEGREE, LESSONS, TOP COMPETITION,OR COMPETING ON THE BEST TRACKS IN THE WORLD...and as everyone knows these are the tracks that the world championships are raced on!!!...But!!!
Mr. Gardner came from downtown south western Sydney’s “Amaroo Park” where he won the “Castrol 6hr Race” and that was on a VF750R & came second on a VF100R Honda....and after that he went to Europe and proved his stuff, metal....(It must have taken allot of guts to do that!!!...i remember Wayne’s first race at Assen and he came 3rd and on the podium!!! “What an achievement especially when he was racing against greats like Spencer (which had the superior bike at least 15 to k’s faster, Mamola, Haslam, Sheene etc) there were no big bucks for Wayne you know (£’nds galore!!) No elaborate, extravagant equipment from the Honda works teams in those day’s!!! But when Mr. Gardner won the world championship and the world was at his arse, feet you name it!!!
And I must remind all on this forum that when Wayne Gardner won the world championship in 1987 even the great Mr. Honda & I must remind you that “this is the REAL MR HONDA!!!”...Came to see Mr. Gardner’s achievements and gave Wayne all the accolades that he could muster for winning the world championship for Honda!!!...
So in saying all this...the superbike series that came much later were just a rogue, breakaway series from the 500’s...and as I said and all the 500cc GP supporters said ‘never the twain shall meet!!”...
It was a second rate series...Foggy and the rest of them could never make it in the 500’s so let’s JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT!!!
Except Foggy at a MUCH lower level? You're kidding Tom! Foggy was on par with Mladin or vice versa. Mladin went to the USA and found his niche in motorcycle racing and has done very well out of it. Can't blame him for that. As for the Australian superbike series I would totally have to disagree.It has been through a lull but is still producing Australia quality riders in a factory line like it has for the past 15/20 years. How different home series compare is totally up to individual analysis. I don't see the British superbikes making too many world champs in the last 10/15 years. Does that make it a crap series?
Son...I must remind you...and please I’m not trying to make Aussie racers legends...but in/or in comparison to the Brits “AND THAT IS IN THE MODERN ERA”...and please boy’s/girl’s don’t go back to the “Dinosaur age!!”...
But I must agree with Son!!!...I want to take you back to Mr. Gardner’s era!!! And what the aussies had to compete against and achive!!!...Gardner came from and I’m NOT talking about the “SUPER BIKE ERA/PEDEGREE, LESSONS, TOP COMPETITION,OR COMPETING ON THE BEST TRACKS IN THE WORLD...and as everyone knows these are the tracks that the world championships are raced on!!!...But!!!
Mr. Gardner came from downtown south western Sydney’s “Amaroo Park” where he won the “Castrol 6hr Race” and that was on a VF750R & came second on a VF100R Honda....and after that he went to Europe and proved his stuff, metal....(It must have taken allot of guts to do that!!!...i remember Wayne’s first race at Assen and he came 3rd and on the podium!!! “What an achievement especially when he was racing against greats like Spencer (which had the superior bike at least 15 to k’s faster, Mamola, Haslam, Sheene etc) there were no big bucks for Wayne you know (£’nds galore!!) No elaborate, extravagant equipment from the Honda works teams in those day’s!!! But when Mr. Gardner won the world championship and the world was at his arse, feet you name it!!!
And I must remind all on this forum that when Wayne Gardner won the world championship in 1987 even the great Mr. Honda & I must remind you that “this is the REAL MR HONDA!!!”...Came to see Mr. Gardner’s achievements and gave Wayne all the accolades that he could muster for winning the world championship for Honda!!!...
So in saying all this...the superbike series that came much later were just a rogue, breakaway series from the 500’s...and as I said and all the 500cc GP supporters said ‘never the twain shall meet!!”...
It was a second rate series...Foggy and the rest of them could never make it in the 500’s so let’s JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Aug 9 2007, 03:43 PM) [snapback]83910[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
But Mr. Bayliss was the ONE & ONLY!!! who poved that "WRONG"!!! goodonya TROY!!!
Pardon?
But Mr. Bayliss was the ONE & ONLY!!! who poved that "WRONG"!!! goodonya TROY!!!
Pardon?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Aug 9 2007, 03:43 PM) [snapback]83910[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
But Mr. Bayliss was the ONE & ONLY!!! who poved that "WRONG"!!! goodonya TROY!!!
Comparing WSB guys in GP is pointless, two different eras you're talking about.
But Mr. Bayliss was the ONE & ONLY!!! who poved that "WRONG"!!! goodonya TROY!!!
Comparing WSB guys in GP is pointless, two different eras you're talking about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 10 2007, 12:43 AM) [snapback]83909[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Whaaaaaat? :s
phleg...read and learn!!
Whaaaaaat? :s
phleg...read and learn!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Aug 9 2007, 03:47 PM) [snapback]83913[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
phleg...read and learn!!
I don't see the point of including a Wayne Gardener lecture.
phleg...read and learn!!
I don't see the point of including a Wayne Gardener lecture.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 10 2007, 12:47 AM) [snapback]83912[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Comparing WSB guys in GP is pointless, two different eras you're talking about.
The WSB's eventuated and became competitive out of second hand 500 racers and would bee’s!!...but it became quite an interesting series, because of the promotion, commentators and the Duke that had all the advantage with the 1000cc's capacity advantage in comparison to the Japs's 750's straight 4’s or V4’s..etc..but when Colin and the Honda competed on the same playing field with the Dukes, you know twins, 1000cc the Honda won the world championship as a matter of a fact they .... it inn!!!...It’s all a set up in WSB’s!!!
Comparing WSB guys in GP is pointless, two different eras you're talking about.
The WSB's eventuated and became competitive out of second hand 500 racers and would bee’s!!...but it became quite an interesting series, because of the promotion, commentators and the Duke that had all the advantage with the 1000cc's capacity advantage in comparison to the Japs's 750's straight 4’s or V4’s..etc..but when Colin and the Honda competed on the same playing field with the Dukes, you know twins, 1000cc the Honda won the world championship as a matter of a fact they .... it inn!!!...It’s all a set up in WSB’s!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 9 2007, 03:47 PM) [snapback]83912[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Comparing WSB guys in GP is pointless, two different eras you're talking about.
What I meant was:
You can't compare Bayliss' win on a 990 and say he 'showed it wrong'.
Riding the 990's and 800's are SO much of a different beast to riding the old 500's.
And what did Gardener have to do with National superbikes?
Comparing WSB guys in GP is pointless, two different eras you're talking about.
What I meant was:
You can't compare Bayliss' win on a 990 and say he 'showed it wrong'.
Riding the 990's and 800's are SO much of a different beast to riding the old 500's.
And what did Gardener have to do with National superbikes?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Aug 9 2007, 04:00 PM) [snapback]83920[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
..It’s all a set up in WSB’s!!!
Whats that supposed to mean?
..It’s all a set up in WSB’s!!!
Whats that supposed to mean?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 10 2007, 12:49 AM) [snapback]83914[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
World superbike riders have always been guys not good enough for GP.
I agree Tom except Mr. Bayliss...who proved that theory WRONG...so in 2008 let’s see Mr James how he’s going to do or 2009 or 2010 etc...but troy I must admit had previous experience in the 500’s/motoGP’s and that is quite a big advantage...pus he wanted and had something to prove!!!
World superbike riders have always been guys not good enough for GP.
I agree Tom except Mr. Bayliss...who proved that theory WRONG...so in 2008 let’s see Mr James how he’s going to do or 2009 or 2010 etc...but troy I must admit had previous experience in the 500’s/motoGP’s and that is quite a big advantage...pus he wanted and had something to prove!!!
