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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 8 2007, 11:28 PM) [snapback]83800[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
rea... young, fast & promising. kiyo not the jap for the job.


Kiyo is the best jap rider there is, he is seriously fast and Honda have a lot of faith in him. Rea is young and quick but Kiyo has him beat, move them both to international level and i think Kiyo would move further ahead based on his experience and that fact that he already exists in a foreign culture. Kiyo is ready to move on.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 8 2007, 05:30 PM) [snapback]83802[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Kiyo is the best jap rider there is

haga is.
 
>Alex Hofmann turns his attentions to World Superbikes
>By Michael Guy

>World Superbikes

>08 August 2007 09:15


>MotoGP man Alex Hofmann was one of a number of riders who spent >the >weekend at Brands Hatch looking to secure a ride in World >Superbikes >next season.

>Alex Hofmann, who is currently recovering from a serious hand injury >after he was T-boned by Yamaha rider Sylvan Guintoli at Laguna Seca, >knows that securing a competitive ride in MotoGP next season will be >difficult so his looking at options in Superbikes.

....... Since then Hofmann has been a long time feature in MotoGP’s due >to series organisers Dorna requiring a top German rider in the >championship.

>Speaking to MCN, Alex Hofmann said: “It’s a strong field in MotoGP and >Dorna want me to stay.


Well, I guess that answers a few questions. Yes Dorna wants certain nationalities in the Series and I guess "The Hoff" may be on the way out.

Man... A lot of seats are going to be open from the looks of it. I don't hear a lot about anyone else other than Lorenzo coming over this year from 250.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 8 2007, 11:32 PM) [snapback]83803[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
haga is.


Haga isn't, he is solid but hes not got the edge that makes the difference. He will always be the nearly man, and more significantly he has missed his GP window of opertunity and wont ever make it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 8 2007, 05:34 PM) [snapback]83806[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Haga isn't, he is solid but hes not got the edge that makes the difference. He will always be the nearly man, and more significantly he has missed his GP window of opertunity and wont ever make it.

niether will kiyo imo.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 8 2007, 11:35 PM) [snapback]83808[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
niether will kiyo imo.


Sorry to repeat myself but:

Well a lot of non-Americans would think the same about Spies, he's done nothing to prove himself apart from win on a dominant bike against a team-mate who's frankly, past it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 8 2007, 05:36 PM) [snapback]83810[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Sorry to repeat myself but:

Well a lot of non-Americans would think the same about Spies, he's done nothing to prove himself apart from win on a dominant bike against a team-mate who's frankly, past it.

we shall see
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 8 2007, 11:37 PM) [snapback]83812[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
we shall see
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Then don't go blurting out the same about another rider just because they don't happen to be American.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 8 2007, 11:35 PM) [snapback]83808[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
niether will kiyo imo.


Considering how much raw speed he has shown, how quickly he got to grips with the famously challenging British circuits and competative championship i would have more faith in him. I would rate him above Spies if i was looking for a Gp rider to take from a national series.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 8 2007, 11:39 PM) [snapback]83814[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
why is it that all u young brits got such a woody for kiyo? i don't get it.


Why is it all you old yanks have woody for Spies?

Oh wait, he's American.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 8 2007, 11:39 PM) [snapback]83814[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
why is it that all u young brits got such a woody for kiyo? i don't get it.


Well i wouldn't expect you to get it, is BSB even covered there? Have you really seen what he can do and what he has done?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 8 2007, 05:43 PM) [snapback]83817[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well i wouldn't expect you to get it, is BSB even covered there? Have you really seen what he can do and what he has done?

yes tom... i buy the season review every year it's avalible.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 8 2007, 05:40 PM) [snapback]83816[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Why is it all you old yanks have woody for Spies?

Oh wait, he's American.
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phleg u guys got all this home grown talent & all u seem to do is praise kiyonari. i don't get man
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 8 2007, 11:53 PM) [snapback]83819[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yes tom... i buy the season review every year it's avalible.
phleg u guys got all this home grown talent & all u seem to do is praise kiyonari. i don't get man
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That's just how good he is, we can see past his nationality and just appreciate the talent that we are seeing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 8 2007, 10:53 PM) [snapback]83819[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yes tom... i buy the season review every year it's avalible.
phleg u guys got all this home grown talent & all u seem to do is praise kiyonari. i don't get man
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Sheesh. You guys should just step in the octagon and go at it Pride Style.

NE way. I don't support any rider because of their nationality. I don't root against a rider because of their nationality. If Spies gets a shot. I will root for him... if I don't like the persona he exudes I will not.

I respect and have rooted well for Rossi but I have seen the arrogance behind the smile/playfulness. Now: I respect him. Biaggi - I respect is riding.

I like Stoner's persona and style. I like Vermulen, Hoppers and Hayden. I don't like Pedrosabot- I respect his riding.

Kiyonari, if he is as good as you guys claim.. Hell give him a shot. Checa's seat I say.
 
I would need to see Rea winning the British championship and beating Kyionari or Lavilla before i'd say he deserves a ride. Maybe he should go prove himself on a world level first.
 
Frankly I don't think Spies or Kiyonari have what it takes to compete at a World Championship level, WSB or GP.

Kiyonari has had the benefit of the only full works HRC CBR1000RR in the world (other than Rea) for the last two years now. Yeah, he's been fast but there are a fair amount of riders I think could achieve similar results. And certainly in less time.

As far as Spies, he's on the best bike, on the best team with the best equipment in his series. If Yosh Suzuki would sign a proven SBK winner in his prime for their third bike as opposed to Yates (past it and TBH never had IT) and Tommy Hayden (never been able to adapt to big bikes), the Yosh team would 1-2-3 every race. Period. Give the third bike to Hodgson, Zemke, Hacking or a Bostrom and it's a three way championship race in one team. That's what Spies has under him.

I'd definitely like to see the both of them, along with Rea and Haslam, get a chance though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 9 2007, 08:30 AM) [snapback]83801[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well a lot of non-Americans would think the same about Spies, he's done nothing to prove himself apart from win on a dominant bike against a team-mate who's frankly, past it.

If Mladin is past it then why did he win both races on the weekend? Does this say something about your national championship?
 
Rea's manager Roger Burnett has categorically stated that Johnny will not be in GP's next year (he could at best get into 250s, but he wont want to do that after seeing Laverty suffer this year.)

He will most likely be aiming to score a top flight WSBK ride.. Ten Kate sounds good, that or Bayliss' teammate at Xerox Ducati.. After that, assuming hes good enough, he can follow JT into the big leagues.. hopefully at a younger age than JT though..

I also wanna see Camier in WSBK next year! Give the poms something to root for and get excited about as far as the future is concerned!

Kiyo = WSBK before anywhere else also..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Aug 9 2007, 08:30 AM) [snapback]83853[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If Mladin is past it then why did he win both races on the weekend? Does this say something about your national championship?


Oh no! I dared to insult and aussie! Shame on me!
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I'm sorry I said that, Mladin never had it in the first place, he was only ever good enough for national series, he was a Foggy, liked being a big fish in a small pond.

"But he went faster than WSBK guys at a Philip Island test!" Yes he did, on superior Dunlops, compared to how .... the Pirelli's started off.

He used to wildcard at Laguna when WSB went there and would be consistently midfield at best... when British guys used to wildcard, they used to get double wins.
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