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Barbedwirebikerr · Mar 17, 2016

propagandhi said:
That is precisely how all races should be

propagandhi said:
Why not? Unpopular opinion amongst the purists but I'd have no problem with gp being a spec series. I dislike everything that gets in the way of deciding who the best athlete is. I do know that motorsports are probably the wrong sport to follow with that preference; )

My thinking for that post was that all manner of things can occur causing the best rider to not win. Punctures, Lapped riders, weather.

It could be argued thst the best rider is the rider who comes first on the day.

propagandhi · Mar 17, 2016

Oh i got you wrong then. What i meant to say is that the less factory involvement the better ,i.e. purer the results.
Bad luck and changing conditions are one thing,as they are the same for everyone potentially(!). Having 20hp less and a .... bike in general....not so good if an even playing field is what you're after.

AntG · Mar 17, 2016

The thing is, the only way you can really make motorcycle racing just about the riders is if they had identical bikes, identical tyres and they had to set the bikes up themselves with no assistance at all. Motorcycle racing as it is and has been since way before I started following it(since before I was born in fact) is a team sport and generally the teams with the most money and best players are the ones who are there or thereabouts come the end of the season. Even in something as strict as Superstock the teams with bigger funds will go for a blueprinted engine or the trickest power commander whereas the lads on shoestring budgets will be running pretty much the same bike that came out of the showroom.

propagandhi · Mar 17, 2016

Go a step further. No tweaking on set up. 20 identical 1991 nsr500s. Only thing that can be adjusted is the rider.

I know that i would miss the different noises at the track,but that would be a small price to pay for true competition where it actually (=for me) matters. A real riders championship. Or of course we can doom most racers to not actually have a chance at proving their worth because the technology developed in gp is....hahahaha
One can dream

Edit: typo

Cool Blue · Mar 17, 2016

propagandhi said:
Go a step further. No tweaking on set up. 20 identical 1991 nsr500s. Only thing that can be adjusted is the rider.

I know that i would miss the different noises at the track,but that would be a small price to pay for true competition where it actually (=for me) matters. A real riders championship. Or of course we can doom most racers to not actually have a chance at proving their worth because the technology developed in gp is....hahahaha
One can dream

Edit: typo

Your deluded mate.

No competition between manufacturers means no tv show.

Dr No · Mar 17, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Club Races. Is that what they call Shovs club on multiracial night?

I'm a product of miscegenation. Even masturbation is muiti-racial.

Iowegian · Mar 17, 2016

Cool Blue said:
Your deluded mate.

No competition between manufacturers means no tv show.

This. The manufacturers are the only reason we have gp racing. And they certainly aren't going to pay to be in a series where cant show off their innovation.

There are series similar. The closest track (3 hours from me) has a ninja 250 class. Even that, they can change exhaust, fork springs, etc. while it would be fun to compete, I certainly wouldn't drive to watch a couple races on a Friday night.

Dr No · Mar 17, 2016

Cool Blue said:
Your deluded mate.

No competition between manufacturers means no tv show.

Naah. You just need an insanely wealthy knobhead with an ego the size of Jupiter to spend up on beating Matchlesses and bikes with marine engines in them. It'd be great!

Dr No · Mar 17, 2016

michaelm said:
Those guys got the Nobel prize, and deserved it, rivaling Shakespeare (who of course vastly exceeded the rather turgid Goethe) in their understanding of the human condition.

wat?
Might like to check on that, mm.
Or was it intended as an ironical demonstration of DK?

michaelm · Mar 17, 2016

Dr No said:
wat?
Might like to check on that, mm.
Or was it intended as an ironical demonstration of DK?

They got the igNobel prize as you no doubt know, but imo deserve a real one, and they were actual genuine researchers/academics rather than staff writers for "The Onion"

I am (obviously) not good at, and don't usually engage in, flame wars, and will not continue to divert this thread in the manner of that other recent thread, but I did think my basically telling someone I was old and not as fit as I once was being interpreted as sig worthy arrogance did display some lack of understanding of the concept of irony, in the English language anyway, by that poster, but would probably have let it pass at a more prudent hour.

Dr No · Mar 17, 2016

michaelm said:
They got the igNobel prize as you no doubt know, but imo deserve a real one, and they were actual genuine researchers/academics rather than staff writers for "The Onion"

I am (obviously) not good at, and don't usually engage in, flame wars, and will not continue to divert this thread in the manner of that other recent thread, but I did think my basically telling someone I was old and not as fit as I once was being interpreted as sig worthy arrogance did display some lack of understanding of the concept of irony, in the English language anyway, by that poster, but would probably have let it pass at a more prudent hour.

Errr...there's a Nobel for psychology now?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Or maybe cover the original "Nobel" post in lemon juice?

Jumkie · Mar 17, 2016

michaelm said:
They got the igNobel prize ...

I just spent reading through about 10 years of igNobels. Fantastic stuff!

Jumkie · Mar 17, 2016

Dr No said:
Errr...there's a Nobel for psychology now?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Or maybe cover the original "Nobel" post in lemon juice?

Classic Dr. Numbnuts. In your modus operandi haste for a 'gotcha' post your extraordinary consistency for FAIl is absolutely unmatched. Your clockwork for FAIL is the envy of the greatest of Swiss timepiece makers. Embarrassed? You know not the concept, this much is obvious. A quality I assure you I envy. Your BJCing uncovered there was no Nobel prize? Fascinating. You demonstrated pissing in the wind can include urine getting in your mouth, as surely your jaw dropped when you discovered no actual Nobel prize had been issued. Well...not a conventional one at least. Precisely demonstrating why igNobel prizes exist. I'd say you deserve a prize yourself, for being a consumer of time and occupier of space, two amazing accomplishments you've managed to waste.

Dr No · Mar 17, 2016

Jumkie said:
Classic Dr. Numbnuts. In your modus operandi haste for a 'gotcha' post your extraordinary consistency for FAIl is absolutely unmatched. Your clockwork for FAIL is the envy of the greatest of Swiss timepiece makers. Embarrassed? You know not the concept, this much is obvious. A quality I assure you I envy. Your BJCing uncovered there was no Nobel prize? Fascinating. You demonstrated pissing in the wind can include urine getting in your mouth, as surely your jaw dropped when you discovered no actual Nobel prize had been issued. Well...not a conventional one at least. Precisely demonstrating why igNobel prizes exist. I'd say you deserve a prize yourself, for being a consumer of time and occupier of space, two amazing accomplishments you've managed to waste.

It's pissy paper with scant cross-cultural relevance but containing an interesting Pop-psy concept.
Hardly Nobel winning research, if such a prize existed for psychology...
Mm got it wrong. Big deal. But the butthurt is strong in you.

michaelm · Mar 17, 2016

I am known to embarrass myself posting at 2:00 am as I said, as well as at other times. Despite or perhaps because of having some background in psychology long ago I am not a great believer in psychology as a discipline in general but do think the 2 guys concerned produced something of genius and was made aware of it as an actual work of scholarship by my brother years ago who is more towards that aspect of things. We do have an academic physical scientist in the family who is not doing too badly as it happens.

Jumkie · Mar 17, 2016

Dr No said:
It's pissy paper with scant cross-cultural relevance but containing an interesting Pop-psy concept.
Hardly Nobel winning research, if such a prize existed for psychology...
Mm got it wrong. Big deal. But the butthurt is strong in you.

Butt hurt over a parody that made an ... out of you, ah the irony. You didn't bother to BJC igNobel prize did you Dr.Lame-mund Freud of Australia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ig_Nobel_Prize_winners

Scroll to year 2000.

GOTCHA!

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Keshav · Mar 17, 2016

propagandhi said:
Chill mike, its not there with malicious intent. And like i said, please, super lightweight. Those 5 pounds are what define me as a man.

I have just as much desire for this to continue as the great ali probably did in that legendary 13th round. I'd be glad if you had a eddie futch to stop you. You said absolutely nothing relevant to me ( but after reading through it i admit to learning a word or two) talked some .... about music and how you're big strong and wouldn't advise me to challenge other men you know. And u keep dancing. Thats a victory in the eyes of others and I'm generous enough to let u keep that. No added inches in embarrassing you further.

Tldr version : nope. I mean sure,fire away if you like but I'm not drawn into it. A fellow poster just urged me to use that gem of rhetoric uttered by you as my sig so i can look smart. Look at the bright side! After Ulrike meinhoff and mumia abu jamal you're the third guy to be worthy of being quoted. That's quite an accolade; )

Do as you please big strong man. You did me wrong and won't admit that your vicious attacks were unwarranted. I'm just being funny about it. If you don't like it,may i refer you to the ignore option?
Cheers bro

Five pounds you say? Considered a career in ....?

Jumkie · Mar 17, 2016

michaelm said:
I am known to embarrass myself posting at 2:00 am as I said, as well as at other times...

Mike, I've thoroughly enjoyed your hilarious exchanges, regardless of how lopsided they have been. I'm not sure why certain elements have attempted to try their luck at challenging you to a duel of Internet wits, but from now on my nickname for these poor souls shall be: McArthur Wheeler--failure to recognize the extent of their inadequacy, at your service. Motto: "If you're incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent.… The skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is."

In the indelible words of Zoots and all his subsequent aliases, of which I have no doubt are still active: carry on.

Dr No · Mar 17, 2016

Jumkie said:
Butt hurt over a parody that made an ... out of you, ah the irony. You didn't bother to BJC igNobel prize did you Dr.Lame-mund Freud of Australia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ig_Nobel_Prize_winners

Scroll to year 2000.

GOTCHA!

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What are you on about, Jum?

Mike claimed D and K got a Nobel.
I disputed this.
Mike corrected this to an igNobel and stated they deserve a real one.
I pointed out that there's no Nobel for Psychology.
You got all butthurt on Mm's behalf and went off on a frothy rant and are now pulling the defence tactic of those with no counterpoint: making Gotcha accusations.

birdman · Mar 17, 2016

Kropotkin said:
The best teams get the best results, and so can both attract more sponsorship, and afford to pay the best riders. The best teams don't even need to pay more than others, as we saw with Ducati - Rossi and Lorenzo have both already turned down big paydays from Ducati to ride for Yamaha. Lorenzo and Marquez will do the same again this year.

It's much more about the team than the bike, though. The team which can figure out how to adapt the bike best to the conditions wins most, and that's the team with the most flexible minds. The best teams, of course, also attract the best mechanics and engineers, because they are just as competitive as the riders.

Of course, the fact that the factory teams have an army of people analyzing the data and looking for ways of improving makes a big difference.

If you think it's only about the bike, take a look at Moto2. Identical engines, nearly identical bikes, often identical suspension, brakes, etc. Only difference is the riders and the teams. And that difference is somewhere north of 2 seconds a lap.

If you don't believe me, take a look at Mika Kallio, and the difference between 2014 (2nd in the championship, 3 poles, 3 wins, 10 total podiums) and 2015 (15th in the championship, no poles or podiums, best result, 4th in Argentina). He started both season on the same bike, a Kalex, but things got so bad in 2015 he jumped ship and went to QMMF to ride a Speed Up. Out of the frying pan, into the fire. His former teammate finished 3rd, and the championship was won by a rider on a Kalex, the one Kallio had abandoned.

That difference was all down to the team, and the interaction between Kallio and the team.

Or was it all a sham and a fraud?

This all makes perfect sense until you look at a timesheet and see none other than Hector the Barbera on the GP14.dinosour slaying the Honda giant.

This is the worst rider in history on the POS bike that don't turn Rossi rejected? How would he go on a Yamaha factory bike? Sure of the answer are we.

Motogp is what it is by design, not by natural selection as you suggest.

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