MotoGP 2014 Round 5 - Monster Energy Grand Prix de France

Jordan had a bunch of scrubs on that team. Scotty Pippen and Nick Kerr certainly weren't the top players in their position like Wade and Bosh are.
I'm really surprised by the reaction to Lorenzo having a bad year. It's the general consensus among armchair warriors that he is cracked and is ready for the nuthouse. He's always been in top form So when he ....... at the beginning of the year that he's not gelling with the bike and his results confirm what he was saying , then I tend to believe that rather then jump to conclusions and proclaim that is falling apart.
The pathetic waste of a paycheck award this week goes to Rossi and Rolling Repsol billboard Pedrosa.
Rossi was handed this race on a silver platter and couldn't run away with it. I don't know how many times we can say it but eight years on a Repsol and Pedro just continues to fail. Regardless that Marquez is on the greatest bike in the history of motorcycles, it's clear that he is just hungrier than everyone else. The kid never backs down. Other then Lorenzo and Rossi,everyone else looks scared to come back at him

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Jordan had a bunch of scrubs on that team. Scotty Pippen and Nick Kerr certainly weren't the top players in their position like Wade and Bosh are.
I'm really surprised by the reaction to Lorenzo having a bad year. It's the general consensus among armchair warriors that he is cracked and is ready for the nuthouse. He's always been in top form So when he ....... at the beginning of the year that he's not gelling with the bike and his results confirm what he was saying , then I tend to believe that rather then jump to conclusions and proclaim that is falling apart.
The pathetic waste of a paycheck award this week goes to Rossi and Rolling Repsol billboard Pedrosa.
Rossi was handed this race on a silver platter and couldn't run away with it. I don't know how many times we can say it but eight years on a Repsol and Pedro just continues to fail. Regardless that Marquez is on the greatest bike in the history of motorcycles, it's clear that he is just hungrier than everyone else. The kid never backs down. Other then Lorenzo and Rossi,everyone else looks scared to come back at him

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Your knowledge of basketball is exceeded only by your knowledge of GP. Rodman and Pippen both are in the Hall Of Fame. You do not get enshrined in the Hall of Fame for being scrubs

Dr. Prof. Dean Povol, your argument is STILL made with the premise that GP is a foot race. NBA to GP is a difficult analogy to begin with (lets shelve its a ........ attempt at that), but you saw fit to compare them; nonetheless, you still want to compare a guy throwing up a ball and making it into the basket, practically entirely on the player's own ability, to a rider carried on a machine that is in every way superior to his competition's machine (I won't bother addressing his teammate, as I've argued for years is overrated and fooled you precisely because of the machine he's ridden). People have been trying to make you understand the conditions you'd need to adjust to make such a comparison reasonable, by saying look, if you insist on making this absurd comparison, then it would be like the other players have lead boots, or Marc's shoes have levitation flux capacitors.

Fantastic from Rossi and Espargaro.

Good to see the Doctor at last try and bring it to this kid Marquez.

As someone else said, Pedrosa and Lorenzo look demoralised right now. And clueless at Le Mans.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Jordan had a bunch of scrubs on that team. Scotty Pippen and Nick Kerr certainly weren't the top players in their position like Wade and Bosh are.
I'm really surprised by the reaction to Lorenzo having a bad year. It's the general consensus among armchair warriors that he is cracked and is ready for the nuthouse. He's always been in top form So when he ....... at the beginning of the year that he's not gelling with the bike and his results confirm what he was saying , then I tend to believe that rather then jump to conclusions and proclaim that is falling apart.
The pathetic waste of a paycheck award this week goes to Rossi and Rolling Repsol billboard Pedrosa.
Rossi was handed this race on a silver platter and couldn't run away with it. I don't know how many times we can say it but eight years on a Repsol and Pedro just continues to fail. Regardless that Marquez is on the greatest bike in the history of motorcycles, it's clear that he is just hungrier than everyone else. The kid never backs down. Other then Lorenzo and Rossi,everyone else looks scared to come back at him

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Not sure what you were watching, but it wasn't MM and Rossi's lap times, no one was beating MM today. Even without Rossi making that mistake MM easily had him on pace. I'm surprised you and the wwe Muppet squad even decided to show up after that race.

Rossi was on a clear track, on a FACTORY bike while Marquez was eight spots behind him. Marquez reeled him in by 1/2 race distance. With a FACTORY bike a legitimate FACTORY rider should have checked out.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Rossi was on a clear track, on a FACTORY bike while Marquez was eight spots behind him. Marquez reeled him in by 1/2 race distance. With a FACTORY bike a legitimate FACTORY rider should have checked out.

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I thought Rossi would be straight back at Marquez, fangs out. But... nothing... It's a sign of the time when getting whupped into 2nd place is apparently a cause for celebration.

KDown is right on the money, way to go Johnny. How that was an example of Rossi taking the fight to MM I'll never know. It looked like a meet roll over and play dead once MM was anywhere near him. As much an example of a rider in his head as anything I've seen, and nothing like the fairing bashing defiance from JLo last year. What happened to him, I can only speculate, but one clue would have to be someone in Dorna is against him, based on their promotional video of JLo recently.

The analagy of Dorna running the NBA would be first they would amalgamate the womens and kids league in with the men to fill up the quota required for the new pay per view rights. Then we could all marvel at Lebron as he dunks like never perfore over the little kiddies heads. And on the rare occasion he fouls, breaking the kids nose, a Dorna official quickly waves play on play on, its all part of the game.

Pov things have not improved since the boycott threat, they actaully got worse. Sure MM is great but how could you think its better now than the 80's competition. There were more than 4 competitive bikes then. The sport should have improved ten fold by now, I am not satisfied nor am I willing to endorse mediocre sport governance with the motto that the way its always been. With the current riders this sport could be a truly might blowing competition of 22 profesional riders on 22 professional teams, not 2 professional teams against 10 amateurs.

birdman said:

KDown is right on the money, way to go Johnny. How that was an example of Rossi taking the fight to MM I'll never know. It looked like a meet roll over and play dead once MM was anywhere near him. As much an example of a rider in his head as anything I've seen, and nothing like the fairing bashing defiance from JLo last year. What happened to him, I can only speculate, but one clue would have to be someone in Dorna is against him, based on their promotional video of JLo recently.

The analagy of Dorna running the NBA would be first they would amalgamate the womens and kids league in with the men to fill up the quota required for the new pay per view rights. Then we could all marvel at Lebron as he dunks like never perfore over the little kiddies heads. And on the rare occasion he fouls, breaking the kids nose, a Dorna official quickly waves play on play on, its all part of the game.

Pov things have not improved since the boycott threat, they actaully got worse. Sure MM is great but how could you think its better now than the 80's competition. There were more than 4 competitive bikes then. The sport should have improved ten fold by now, I am not satisfied nor am I willing to endorse mediocre sport governance with the motto that the way its always been. With the current riders this sport could be a truly might blowing competition of 22 profesional riders on 22 professional teams, not 2 professional teams against 10 amateurs.

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No, there really wasnt. For the majority of the 80's 2-4 riders would win just about every race of the season.


I will not endorse making Moto GP into Superbike so the ameteurs can compete. So i guess that makes for a fan base endorsement impasse

Platinum ride from Marquez. At this rate, he's going to squash my hopes of Dani Pedrosa for WC 2014 very soon!

Superb ride from Rossi. I did note he didn't shake hands with Bautista on the parade lap though! Maybe hasn't forgiven him for Mugello last year?

Dovi once again justifying his place in the Italian outfit but unfortunately proving there is plenty of reason for the engineers to earn overtime before the home race.

As for Cal... probably best left unsaid.

Top ride from Pol and nice for both Tech 3 riders to bring it home in the top ten for the home race. Tech 3 are now 3rd in the constructors table BTW.

Oh dear Lorenzo, wonder if he's already made his mind up to leave Yamaha? I am sure he'll be back on the podium in Mugello after his romp home last year.

First ten laps were the best in MotoGP for some time. Great stuff!

Spot on Birdman. I invite all of you to revisit Valencia GP 2013. Lorenzo toyed with the field, slowing down the pace yet even then nobody could keep up. Ive never seen this much control over an entire field as I saw at Valencia last year. But this year we're supposed to believe (stealing from RedWhip) "the hand of God touched Marc" for 2014. Last year there was a legitimate 1:4 chance of either of the Jap factory machines wining the title, only 2 of those four equipped with riders that had the hungry and talent to capitalize on that factory bike advantage! By the end of the year that probability became a 1:2 chance between Marquez vs Lorenzo. It seems that 1:2 chance was too risky for DornHonda, a tweak to the rules and that probably became 1:1 Marquez. For god sakes we all know Pedro was always gonna find a way to choke and VR, as good as he was is still inferior to Lorenzo since 2010 (despite his recent skewed results). DornHonda moved the goal posts from Lorenzo after Valencia's performance.

povol said:

No, there really wasnt. For the majority of the 80's 2-4 riders would win just about every race of the season.


I will not endorse making Moto GP into Superbike so the ameteurs can compete. So i guess that makes for a fan base endorsement impasse

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And in the 80's if you put those 2-4 riders on the bikes that had finished the same race in 10th -14th place it would make little difference. They would still be 1 -4. Why? They all lined up on 500cc two strokes with as many engines as they needed and as much fuel as they wanted and whatever tires they chose. Same rules and same class for all. That was 500cc racing, what made it so famous and successful, especially compared to F1 which generally had 2 - 4 competitive cars...........similar to what? So motogp is now 80's F1.

Today 10th onwards are on ............... basically Superbikes? Oh I mean "production racers". In the 80's the likes of Dovi and maybe even Hayden would easily get competitive rides, not "production 500cc racers".

Also in the 80's did you know Honda wanted to change the rules just like they do today? They wanted 500cc four strokes with oval pistons. They were told to get ......, because it would have killed the sport. What's so complicated about that?

Something has happened to Jlos clout. I detected it with comments after his crash at Qatar and snafu start at Austin. He mentioned there had been doubts expressed by principals close to him. This has led me to believe he not only lacks confidence in the tires and bike, but more importantly his confidence in status has been shaken. Reminds me of Biaggi once the Rossi vilification and Dorna marketing became increasingly sophisticated. We are watching the 2.0 version of MotoVR Marquez Edition in the making...except the scheme is infinitely more refined.

Jumkie said:

Something has happened to Jlos clout. I detected it with comments after his crash at Qatar and snafu start at Austin. He mentioned there had been doubts expressed by principals close to him. This has led me to believe he not only lacks confidence in the tires and bike, but more importantly his confidence in status has been shaken. Reminds me of Biaggi once the Rossi vilification and Dorna marketing became increasingly sophisticated. We are watching the 2.0 version of MotoVR Marquez Edition in the making...except the scheme is infinitely more refined.

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so you are saying that Dorna or Carmelo or whoever is influencing 'principles close to Lorenzo' in order to put doubt on him, to make him falter under his own insecurity so MM can win unchallenged, all in the name of of MotoMM exploitation conspiracy yaddayadda? please correct me if I got that wrong. and please elaborate on who these 'principles' might be and how exactly they put doubt upon JL in order to strengthen his rival and feed the machine. would be interesting if you could do that. otherwise I would cordially donate a can of pity and some tinfoil to you.

Jumkie said:

Spot on Birdman. I invite all of you to revisit Valencia GP 2013. Lorenzo toyed with the field, slowing down the pace yet even then nobody could keep up. Ive never seen this much control over an entire field as I saw at Valencia last year. But this year we're supposed to believe (stealing from RedWhip) "the hand of God touched Marc" for 2014. Last year there was a legitimate 1:4 chance of either of the Jap factory machines wining the title, only 2 of those four equipped with riders that had the hungry and talent to capitalize on that factory bike advantage! By the end of the year that probability became a 1:2 chance between Marquez vs Lorenzo. It seems that 1:2 chance was too risky for DornHonda, a tweak to the rules and that probably became 1:1 Marquez. For god sakes we all know Pedro was always gonna find a way to choke and VR, as good as he was is still inferior to Lorenzo since 2010 (despite his recent skewed results). DornHonda moved the goal posts from Lorenzo after Valencia's performance.

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You are absolutely delusional.
No one took Lorenzo's bait. Marc ran a very smart race and knew where he needed to finish. No need to take unnecessary risk. Dani helped his team mate by keeping Jorge from pushing Marc into a potential DNF.

sewarion said:

so you are saying that Dorna or Carmelo or whoever is influencing 'principles close to Lorenzo' in order to put doubt on him, to make him falter under his own insecurity so MM can win unchallenged, all in the name of of MotoMM exploitation conspiracy yaddayadda? please correct me if I got that wrong. and please elaborate on who these 'principles' might be and how exactly they put doubt upon JL in order to strengthen his rival and feed the machine. would be interesting if you could do that. otherwise I would cordially donate a can of pity and some tinfoil to you.

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And 9-11 was an inside job. The guy has got serious issues, he invents characters on forums so he can debate himself. In the twisted mind, that is one way to never lose a debate. Dude has serious comprehension problems as well, which is probably linked to his psychosis. Its like his diatribe on comparing the NBA to Moto GP. I said i enjoyed watching elite athletes get into the zone, and gave an example of James and Durant going off to Marquez's current dominance. Was that comparing the sport Moto GP to the NBA, of course it wasnt, it was an example of elite athletes getting into the zone. This whole thing goes back to him trying to defend his position that Marquez was an overrated cheater in Moto2. Once the talent surfaced in GP that was obvious to everyone except him and a couple of other twats, he had to double down on stupid or face the humiliation of being wrong. And as we know, he is never wrong. Now, he has backed himself into a corner and looks plain silly as he lashes out with the only thing he has left, extreme delusion and fictitious characters he can relate to. Kind of sad really

birdman said:

And in the 80's if you put those 2-4 riders on the bikes that had finished the same race in 10th -14th place it would make little difference. They would still be 1 -4. Why? They all lined up on 500cc two strokes with as many engines as they needed and as much fuel as they wanted and whatever tires they chose. Same rules and same class for all. That was 500cc racing, what made it so famous and successful, especially compared to F1 which generally had 2 - 4 competitive cars...........similar to what? So motogp is now 80's F1.

Today 10th onwards are on ............... basically Superbikes? Oh I mean "production racers". In the 80's the likes of Dovi and maybe even Hayden would easily get competitive rides, not "production 500cc racers".

Also in the 80's did you know Honda wanted to change the rules just like they do today? They wanted 500cc four strokes with oval pistons. They were told to get ......, because it would have killed the sport. What's so complicated about that?

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Thats just crazy talk. Let me get this straight, you think that the bikes that finished 10-14 would be 1-5 with the top riders. Just like today, if you were not on a works bike, your chances of winning a title were next to nil.Look at Mamola for example, he went from 2nd and 3rd in the championship on the Lucky Strike Yamaha to 12th on the Cagiva. Did the hand of God come down between seasons and zap him of his riding ability. No, the bike was not competitive.

Jumkie said:

NBA to GP is a difficult analogy to begin with (lets shelve its a ........ attempt at that), but you saw fit to compare them; nonetheless, you still want to compare a guy throwing up a ball and making it into the basket, practically entirely on the player's own ability, to a rider carried on a machine that is in every way superior to his competition's machine (I won't bother addressing his teammate, as I've argued for years is overrated and fooled you precisely because of the machine he's ridden).

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The comparison to stick and ball sports is accurate to the extent that it takes more than an individual star, no matter how celestial they are, to procure a championship.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Rossi was on a clear track, on a FACTORY bike while Marquez was eight spots behind him. Marquez reeled him in by 1/2 race distance. With a FACTORY bike a legitimate FACTORY rider should have checked out.

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Except for the small fact that Marquez is faster than Rossi... and every other factory rider, and possibly every other rider on the planet at the moment. Surprise, surprise, Gretzky and Jordan were lightyears better than Messier and Pippen...

birdman said:

And in the 80's if you put those 2-4 riders on the bikes that had finished the same race in 10th -14th place it would make little difference. They would still be 1 -4. Why? They all lined up on 500cc two strokes with as many engines as they needed and as much fuel as they wanted and whatever tires they chose. Same rules and same class for all.

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Sorry birdman, but you obviously were not paying attention in the 80's if you think a customer 500 (basically a street Gamma or RZ) would have been competitive with a factory 500 in fhs day even with a top rider aboard. There are many ways the factory bikes outclassed the customer bikes, but one area where the factories spent big money and brain power was in exhaust tuning - the 'electronics' of the day!!!!