MotoGP 2013: Sachsenring, Build up (spoilers) Practice (spoilers) Qualifying (spoilers) Bautista (sp

Sloth_27

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Agreed. If you can't do the warmup you shouldn't be on the grid for the race.

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Declared unfit due to low blood pressure 


http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/pedrosa%20unfit%20for%20sachsenring%20race

Dr No

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Supposedly a compression fracture to T6. In practice for the San Marino GP.

Same vertebrae he snapped at Misano.

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San Marino GP in 1993 was held at Mugello according to Wiki - I thought it had always been at Misano, but anyway, that race was 3 races before Misano.


 


As I said above, it was definitely at Donington (two races earlier) on the Saturday where he suffered the compression fracture.


 


Even found a couple of links other than Michael Scott's stuff which refer to it. 


 

Amazingly, to this point, the horrifying series of endos that Rainey's

body endured had failed to seriously injure him. But his luck would run

out at the end of his tumble, as his recalcitrant 500cc Yamaha caught up

with him and speared him in the back, right between the shoulder

blades. To be exact, it drilled him in the sixth thoracic vertebra--a

bone that had been crunched and weakened in a practice crash two races

earlier. He did a headstand into the gravel, 60-to-0 in nothing flat.

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http://www.caranddriver.com/features/old-friends-best-friends


 

It's Friday afternoon at the 1993 British Grand Prix. On Saturday, Rainey will crash in practice and crush some vertebrae.

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http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0012_three_500_gp_champions/

Dr. Costa said the main reason why Pedro doesn't race is psychological, and that knowing him he's not surprised.

yamaka46

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San Marino GP in 1993 was held at Mugello according to Wiki - I thought it had always been at Misano, but anyway, that race was 3 races before Misano.

 

As I said above, it was definitely at Donington (two races earlier) on the Saturday where he suffered the compression fracture.

 

Even found a couple of links other than Michael Scott's stuff which refer to it. 

 
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/old-friends-best-friends

 
http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0012_three_500_gp_champions/

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Ha. No probs.

I delved into Scott's Rainey Biography for that incorrect info. Incorrect on my part. I read the countdown of the races in Chapter 14 backwards...

Thanks for the correction.

Thanks for that guys.

J4rn0

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Dr. Costa said the main reason why Pedro doesn't race is psychological, and that knowing him he's not surprised.

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Fricken Jum has been molesting that voodoo doll again.

gekko1ro

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is starting to take a pause

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Pigeon

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Pedrosa not doing wup review on his condition later hes reporting being pretty dizzy


Hayden just binned it. nowt new there


moto2 pole sitter simeon trashed it in wup


wiliarot had a nasty off

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Yeah, the early news was that he was riding, then that he was considering riding, then that he is dizzy, now it's maybe, maybe not... I'll believe it when I see him on the warmup lap.

basspete

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Right third time lucky!


 


Michael Scott did a great article in MCN this week about riders coming back too quick, saying how great Assen was for Jorge, but how badly it could have gone wrong.


 


It was written at the start of the week, before any of the events of the weekend unfolded


 


It reminded me of an article by Scott in Bike magazine back  93/94 where he talked of the whispers in the paddock of Rainey damaging a vertebrae in the weeks prior to his career ending crash at Misano. Possibly in a practice crash at Donny and that Wayne came back too quick and finished his career in (from a rider's point of view) in the worst possible way.

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Two sections of Donington have always been regarded as adversely and notoriously bumpy....McCleans and Goddards. Wayne christened the latter 'The Staircase' which is where he crashed. I was there that weekend for the race, but not practice when it happened. In addition to the compression fracture in his back - he tore off three fingernails and crucially, suffered severe concussion. Jumping straight on his second bike he found after two or three laps that he's lost all depth perception which he kept to himself. Meanwhile, all the focus was on his back. I have Michael Scott's biography of Rainey in which he said that back in his motorhome he knew he was severely concussed and that next morning when he swung his head vision lagged behind the motion. He knew the dangers to himself and other riders but his obsession won over - by his own admission, being World Champion was more important than his own safety or those around him. The first lap crash in the race that was caused by Doohan took out Barros but more significantly Schwantz, who was already struggling with wrist injuries, was a gift. Cadalora dutifully followed Rainey and couldn't work out why he was so slow. Mckenzie and Foggy were not about to catch either of them and Cadalora elected to pass his teammate for his first GP win.


 


Incredibly, I don't think riding with the back injury was the issue...it certainly didn't impair him at the next round at Brno which he famously branded "the easiest race of my life", nor do I think it had any bearing on the tragic events that were to unfold at the San Marino GP. However the potential consequences that could have arisen from that reckless and headstrong decision to ride the Donington GP with major concussion don't bear thinking about.


 


Digger is right...the decision for Dani not to ride today is the right one.

I'm flicking through the book as I watch Redding go backwards....

.... I loved that era.

J4rn0

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Dr. Costa said the main reason why Pedro doesn't race is psychological, and that knowing him he's not surprised.

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If he really said this Dr Costa deserves his recent criticism. If Dani raced it would be in some ways admirable but also arguably ill advised. Not fronting for a motogp race because you broke your clavicle the day before is hardly an indication of psychological frailty.


 


Perhaps he still  thinks his main competition is also missing the race; if he does think this he may be mistaken.

Dr. Costa never said Dani should have raced; he said the decision was right, but that the root cause of his unfitness is psychological. That doesn't mean imaginary...

Low blood pressure and dizziness is psychological?

J4rn0

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Dr. Costa never said Dani should have raced; he said the decision was right, but that the root cause of his unfitness is psychological. That doesn't mean imaginary...

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So he is a psychiatrist as well now? One thing I can tell you advisedly is that it is wise for medical professionals to stick to their area of expertise, and if they choose to speculate otherwise specify they are doing so.

Dr Costa is the crazy old dude of MotoGP now. I doubt anyone takes him too seriously.

Anxiety is psychological and can cause the symptoms Dani showed. Any good doctor (like Dr. Costa) knows that and I have no reason to doubt him. Forum experts of course know better...

J4rn0

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Dr. Costa said the main reason why Pedro doesn't race is psychological, and that knowing him he's not surprised.

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That is a rather worrying and extremely inappropriate statement. 

Sloth_27

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Dr Costa is the crazy old dude of MotoGP now. I doubt anyone takes him too seriously.

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Except every rider he has helped.


Mick Doohan would disagree with you.


I doubt anyone takes you too seriously sloth46 or whatever number you call yourself,

J4rn0

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Anxiety is psychological and can cause the symptoms Dani showed. Any good doctor (like Dr. Costa) knows that and I have no reason to doubt him. Forum experts of course know better...

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Is he speaking as Dani's doctor? If so, unless Dani has authorised the statement I find it unprofessional . It may of course have been re-translated several times, in which case particularly if originally in Italian his meaning may have been different, which you may be able to confirm. If he isn't Dani's doctor in this instance, what exactly is his role?


 


I must admit I was also surprised by the amount of detail given about Jorge's operations, and I have to presume this is authorised by Jorge, as I can't imagine medical confidentiality can be waived in a rider's contract.

michaelm

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Is he speaking as Dani's doctor? If so, unless Dani has authorised the statement I find it unprofessional. If he isn't Dani's doctor in this instance, what exactly is his role? 


 


I must admit I am surprised by the amount of detail given about Jorge's operations, and I have to presume this is authorised by Jorge also, as I can't imagine medical confidentiality can be waived in a rider's contract..

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I agree.  Doctor-patient confidentiality appears to have gone out of the window with this one.  Do we know if the quotes attributed to Dr Costa are genuine?

Garbin

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I agree.  Doctor-patient confidentiality appears to have gone out of the window with this one.  Do we know if the quotes attributed to Dr Costa are genuine?

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Dr Costa has a long history of doing questionable, and very inappropriate given his role,  armchair psychology on riders. Watch Faster for a telling example. 


 


Other than that, he´s more like a bio-industry vet than a doctor. Pump 'em full of meds and they're all go for the show.