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J4rn0
This cuts both ways.
Give me some examples of other doctors in official positions in sports saying that a competitor who has suffered significant physical trauma within 24 hours of a scheduled event, sufficient to cause a fracture of a bone somewhat structurally important in the pursuit of the sport without even considering other sequelae, could have competed except for a psychological issue.
As you say we received very full coverage of Jorge's recent clavicle injuries and surgeries, I presume with his permission since the surgeons involved were very definitely his doctors and not Dorna's, but they stuck to explaining the nature of the injury and of the surgery involved, with no comments as I recall about the psychological effects or lack thereof of bone cement or titanium plates.
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"To catch a black cat in a dark room is not easy, especially when the cat is not there"
Chinese proverb
This cuts both ways.
Give me some examples of other doctors in official positions in sports saying that a competitor who has suffered significant physical trauma within 24 hours of a scheduled event, sufficient to cause a fracture of a bone somewhat structurally important in the pursuit of the sport without even considering other sequelae, could have competed except for a psychological issue.
As you say we received very full coverage of Jorge's recent clavicle injuries and surgeries, I presume with his permission since the surgeons involved were very definitely his doctors and not Dorna's, but they stuck to explaining the nature of the injury and of the surgery involved, with no comments as I recall about the psychological effects or lack thereof of bone cement or titanium plates.
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J4rn0
Whats the point in debating simple black and white issues? One of the reasons this sport is interesting to me is because it contains many shades of grey. Differing perpectives of what is right and wrong.
Kropo believes Marquez leading the championship after Germany is proof enough there was no cheating in moto2. I believe they are unrelated.
Marquez has talent, thats obvious enough. His talent is not really under question. The one thing I have noticed is the superior speed down the straights, the ability to pass competitors at will, due to a supreme throttle hand that can open the gas harder than all others, suddenly is not particularly obvious like it was in moto2. Has that talent used to explain the irregularity suddenly disappeared?
Krop will say its because the talent is so much greater in motogp that such an advantage becomes less obvious. I think, on a factory Honda, the bike known to be fastest down the straight, with a light rider who has supreme throttle control it would actually be exaggerated, not diminished. Yet it is not so. Marquez no longer passes at will half way down the straight.
The alternative explanation, that his team in moto2 found and exploited a loophole in the rules enabling less cutting of the fuel during gearshifts, I believe, has not been disproven by the current performance.
If his moto2 team worked harder than the rest and found a hard earned advantage within rules, then that is motosport racing to me, the whole purpose of doing it. But, if it was not legal, if the officials turned a blind eye, failed to act and penalise, because he was the chosen one. That is not motosport, that the usual ...... up political .........
Where the .... did that black cat go? J4rn0, turn on the bloody lights will you.
3564671374161875
"To catch a black cat in a dark room is not easy, especially when the cat is not there"
Chinese proverb
Whats the point in debating simple black and white issues? One of the reasons this sport is interesting to me is because it contains many shades of grey. Differing perpectives of what is right and wrong.
Kropo believes Marquez leading the championship after Germany is proof enough there was no cheating in moto2. I believe they are unrelated.
Marquez has talent, thats obvious enough. His talent is not really under question. The one thing I have noticed is the superior speed down the straights, the ability to pass competitors at will, due to a supreme throttle hand that can open the gas harder than all others, suddenly is not particularly obvious like it was in moto2. Has that talent used to explain the irregularity suddenly disappeared?
Krop will say its because the talent is so much greater in motogp that such an advantage becomes less obvious. I think, on a factory Honda, the bike known to be fastest down the straight, with a light rider who has supreme throttle control it would actually be exaggerated, not diminished. Yet it is not so. Marquez no longer passes at will half way down the straight.
The alternative explanation, that his team in moto2 found and exploited a loophole in the rules enabling less cutting of the fuel during gearshifts, I believe, has not been disproven by the current performance.
If his moto2 team worked harder than the rest and found a hard earned advantage within rules, then that is motosport racing to me, the whole purpose of doing it. But, if it was not legal, if the officials turned a blind eye, failed to act and penalise, because he was the chosen one. That is not motosport, that the usual ...... up political .........
Where the .... did that black cat go? J4rn0, turn on the bloody lights will you.
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birdman
OK: Marquez is certainly more interesting than black cats in dark rooms. My personal opinion based on observation is that MM in Moto2 had a definite advantage on the opposition in terms of his ability of opening up the throttle early when exiting corners, which translated in apparently higher speeds down the straights. If you open up earlier you do build up more speed even if your engine is the same as all others.
OK: Marquez is certainly more interesting than black cats in dark rooms. My personal opinion based on observation is that MM in Moto2 had a definite advantage on the opposition in terms of his ability of opening up the throttle early when exiting corners, which translated in apparently higher speeds down the straights. If you open up earlier you do build up more speed even if your engine is the same as all others.
J4rn0
And I think shots of him with his front wheel on the grass and his rear spinning on the kurb while trying to get up the inside of Jorge shows he is still doing it. Now Danny and Jorge are hurt and MM leads the title I think he will be let of the chain, we will see a different MM this weekend.
And I think shots of him with his front wheel on the grass and his rear spinning on the kurb while trying to get up the inside of Jorge shows he is still doing it. Now Danny and Jorge are hurt and MM leads the title I think he will be let of the chain, we will see a different MM this weekend.
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stiefel
Uhm, I'd go with unable to explain sufficiently. WFT can't Costa say whatever the .... he likes? I'm fed up with 'he has an undisclosed upper body injury' as the usual medical tripe dished out by professional sports leagues. If the individual in question (Pedders in this casey) has an issue let him make his counter-claims. The statement(s) of Costa can be spun as 'letting out dangerous information he is not qualified to pronounce' OR as a breath of fresh air in a stiefelling hotbox!
Uhm, I'd go with unable to explain sufficiently. WFT can't Costa say whatever the .... he likes? I'm fed up with 'he has an undisclosed upper body injury' as the usual medical tripe dished out by professional sports leagues. If the individual in question (Pedders in this casey) has an issue let him make his counter-claims. The statement(s) of Costa can be spun as 'letting out dangerous information he is not qualified to pronounce' OR as a breath of fresh air in a stiefelling hotbox!
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'Cause the issues you've raised are irrelevant and not worth the bytes they consume. And .... - you've read my posts... when have I ever tried to persuade anyone on anything? I just lob grenades... My enjoyment of PS has nothing to do with your enjoyment of 'the debate'... I tired of your style of mental masturbation 25 years ago!
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