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I agree with Talpa, the only reason Stoner is fastest is because of the new Honda gearbox. Put Stoner on the new Ducati (which obviously isn't as good as the version he rode to victories) and you'd see how slow he really is.

That is the funniest thing I've read on here so far!!!!!



Put Stoner, and Rossi, on the new Ducati, together, on a track...........see what happens!!!!!!!



Of course, what you are implying is that Rossi, along with the might of Jerry Burgess, cannot develop and set up a bike as well as Casey and Adriana!!!!!!!!!



The only reason Stoner is fastest..... is because he is the fastest!!!!!!!!!
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Im sure its going to be a Stoner Victory Followed by dani with a fight between Dovi Spies Simoncelli and J Lo for 3rd behind them will come in Vale!



I wouldn't be too sure of a of a Stoner win. See the average lap times of all riders in FP3 (calculated from laps under 2:00).



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Considering FP3 is closest to the conditions you can expect in the race, the top 3 is really tight.
 

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No, not really. Stoner does fewer laps, so with in and out laps his average will be slower, so average is meaningless.



Clutching at straws?
 
I wouldn't be too sure of a of a Stoner win. See the average lap times of all riders in FP3 (calculated from laps under 2:00).



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Considering FP3 is closest to the conditions you can expect in the race, the top 3 is really tight.



There's something "fishy" about those results ....... When they say 1 55, 1 56 or 1 57 ......... were they rounded down before the analysis?
 
Amen. All great points, and now it seems as though lashings are being dealt out if one fails to even mention Stoner, let alone worship him, in a post about a Motogp round, in a thread about a Motogp round which involves many other riders......



Nothing new with the usual suspects, other than the increased levels of absurdity.







Anyhow onto something much more interesting and relevant, I just read that HRC is keeping an extremely closed lid on their new box, even from within, with only one selected team member ever allowed to remove the unit from the engine, only then to take it alone into a locked room to adjust ratios.........I'm not to sure if this type of security has a precedent, certainly in F1, however the leaks involved nowadays and the instant access to serious communication most likely make it warranted.

I am making no claims for stoner until he starts winning races on the hrc bike (a link please if he has said anything about winning this race, let alone the championship, himself). I would have thought the last thing the anti-stoner axis wants is for him to be cocky anyway, since being confident and getting on a roll is a necessity for him if he is to win the championship.



Otherwise at the risk of being patriarchal and/or patronising you fall into your constant logical flaw ie that any criticism you offer of stoner or any other rider apart from rossi is not hating, just fair criticism, whereas criticism of rossi, even when in reprisal for your sometimes outlandish anti-stoner and anti-stoner fan polemics, is hating.



Hate stoner all you like, nobody is saying you shouldn't, but it is amusing when you accuse others of hypocrisy.



Btw, if the honda does have an advantage this year, that's the way it is as long as it is within the rules; valentino should have organised to be at honda. In any case they are only just touching stoner's best race laps in 2008 as lex details elsewhere in the thread; why don't they just put the ducati back to the qatar 2008 specification if stoner has retrogradely developed the bike since then?
 
Yep!

Hardcore Boppers need a hero to worship and identify with, and if they can join forces with the Chosen One in subduing an evil foe, so much the better. Doing these things brings a moment's comfort and a tiny shred of meaning to their otherwise empty, miserable lives. If Rossi can't get the job done, their allegiances will soon seamlessly shift to Pedrobot, The Fabulous Furball, Pie Man, or anyone else deemed capable of vanquishing Casey the Beast.



Actually.... I suspect if Rossi were to disappear off the face of the earth tomorrow, a good portion of them would

go into secluded mourning and place flowers every Sunday in front of their Rossi replica helmets and never attend

or watch another race. That, or they'll all change their names and avatars and become Stoner fans overnight.

Any port in a storm.
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I agree with Talpa, the only reason Stoner is fastest is because of the new Honda gearbox. Put Stoner on the new Ducati (which obviously isn't as good as the version he rode to victories) and you'd see how slow he really is.

You just called Casey Stoner slow
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Yeah.......quite beyond doubt the most idiotic post I've read in an aeon.



That's like saying the Honda vacated by Vale was quite clearly ..... because Biaggi was beaten at Welkom in the first race of the '04 season. I think j4rn0 is correct in saying that the entire Honda performance has been enhanced by the new transmission, but Casey has always owned Losail since his landmark first appearance here on the LCR Honda. I'm still adamant that Casey was the only rider out there capable of taming the screamer - Valentino would never have entertained the idea beyond a blueprint in Bologna. The chronic understeer of the GP11 is exacerbated by Valentino's shoulder. Vale and the crew need a few races under their belt to gauge how to tailor the bikes responses to best limit this handicap, and to ape some of the characteristics of the nimble M1 which was exploited to such effect. Valentino and his crew are masters of engineering and setting a bike up around the strengths of the rider. They will be up to speed once they obtain the race data that they so urgently require. Jerez, traditionally an 'also ran' circuit for the Desmo will be a major headache though.



If you really want a reminder of outright unfair advantage, rewind to 2002 and Valentino astride the all new RCV211V - a bike so sorted out of the crate that Alex Briggs used to play with the settings during practise and even qualifying out of sheer unadulterated boredom. A bike so sorted, that when Honda Pons eventually took delivery of one in October - Alex Barros rode it around the car park at Motegi before beating Valentino in the subsequent race, and again at Valencia.



I digress. Personality wise I don't particularly like Valentino Rossi, I never have and I probably never will. I see straight through the facade and the fake comic persona - the clown mask slips when things don't go his own way. I thought the situation with Jorge at Yamaha was utterly reprehensible, and cost Valentino much of his integrity, credibility and dignity. I smile wryly at the thought of Casey erecting a wall, dissecting his garage to eliminate a similar perceived threat and the resultant outcry on this forum. I regard Valentino as a particularly duplicitous and ruthless individual who utilises the formidable arsenal of resources which have always availed to him to perpetuate his comparative advantage. I don't view Casey Stoner meanwhile as some paragon of humankind either, and am fully aware of the guys foibles and obvious shortcomings off and on the track but do find him more sincere and genuine than VR although his mouth is much like his racing..and he sometimes needs to think before he puts it in gear.



In spite of this, as I have said many times before, Valentino Rossi as the GOAT is unparalleled in this sport. I love his respect for the history and pedigree of motorcycle racing. He has managed to embody, crystalise and encapsulate an entire pantheon of greats within his own career. He has the natural talent of Spencer or Hailwood, the tenacity determination and mental fortitude of Doohan, the charisma and charm of Sheene, the finesse of Steady Eddie, the balls of Schwantz, the self belief of KRsnr and on very rare occasions the outright speed of Casey Stoner!!



So many regulars have been driven off this board by the flame wars, trolling and pointless fatuous posts such as the above. Even Barry talks GP racing in a semi constructive way on occasions. This .... belongs on other lesser forums. Hardly surprising that some defect to Kropotkin's pad for some intelligent discourse. All this drivel about haters fan boys and boppers. I don't hate any of these guys, I have the utmost respect for them all as riders. Some acquit themselves better than others, but it's rare to find a successful racer at this level without some manner of personality defect - These guys are competing for the greatest prize in motorcycle racing, not the nobel peace prize...sure it gets ugly from time to time. We love our hero's and we love our villains - but to me they're all heroes once out on track. I didn't much care for 'lil John, Phil Read, Max, Fogarty, and a host of others - but didn't give a .... when it came to a Sunday and the flag dropped.



Enjoy the racing this weekend, and instead of this bickering and stressing ridiculous divisive differences and preferences over individual riders and allegiances, celebrate our united love and respect for the sport on this, your forum.



(Go Casey!)
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You just called Casey Stoner slow
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Yeah, quite possibly the most idiotic post I've read in an aeon.



That's like saying the Honda vacated by Vale was quite clearly ..... because Biaggi was beaten at Welkom in the first race of the '04 season. I think j4rn0 is correct in saying that the entire Honda performance has been enhanced by the new transmission, but Casey has always owned Losail since his landmark first appearance here on the LCR Honda. I'm still adamant that the Casey was the only rider out there capable of taming the screamer - Valentino would never have entertained the idea beyond a blueprint in Bologna. The chronic understeer of the GP11 is exacerbated by Valentino's shoulder. Vale and the crew need a few races under their belt to gauge how to tailor the bikes responses to best limit this handicap, and to ape some of the characteristics of the nimble M1 which was exploited to such effect. Valentino and his crew are masters of engineering and setting a bike up around the strengths of the rider. They will be up to speed once they obtain the race data that they so urgently require. Jerez, traditionally an 'also ran' circuit for the Desmo will be a major headache though.



If you really want a reminder of outright unfair advantage, rewind to 2002 and Valentino astride the all new RCV211V - a bike so sorted out of the crate that Alex Briggs used to play with the settings during practise and even qualifying out of sheer unadulterated boredom. A bike so sorted, that when Honda Pons eventually took delivery of one in October - Alex Barros rode it around the car park at Motegi before beating Valentino in the subsequent race, and again at Valencia.



I digress. Personality wise I don't particularly like Valentino Rossi, I never have and I probably never will. I see straight through the facade and the fake comic persona - the clown mask slips when things don't go his own way. I thought the situation with Jorge at Yamaha was utterly reprehensible, and cost Valentino much of his integrity, credibility and dignity. I smile wryly at the thought of Casey erecting a wall, dissecting his garage to eliminate a similar perceived threat and the resultant outcry on this forum. I regard Valentino as a particularly duplicitous and ruthless individual who utilises the formidable arsenal of resources which have always availed to him to perpetuate his comparative advantage. I don't view Casey Stoner meanwhile as some paragon of humankind either, and am fully aware of the guys foibles and obvious shortcomings off and on the track but do find him more sincere and genuine than VR although his mouth is much like his racing..and he sometimes needs to think before he puts it in gear.



In spite of this, as I have said many times before, Valentino Rossi as the GOAT is unparalleled in this sport. I love his respect for the history and pedigree of motorcycle racing. He has managed to embody, crystalise and encapsulate an entire pantheon of greats within his own career. He has the natural talent of Spencer or Hailwood, the tenacity determination and mental fortitude of Doohan, the charisma and charm of Sheene, the finesse of Steady Eddie, the balls of Schwantz, the self belief of KRsnr and on very rare occasions the outright speed of Casey Stoner!!



So many regulars have been driven off this board by the flame wars, trolling and pointless fatuous posts such as the above. Even Barry talks GP racing in a semi constructive way on occasions. This .... belongs on other lesser forums. Hardly surprising that some defect to Kropotkin's pad for some intelligent discourse. All this drivel about haters fan boys and boppers. I don't hate any of these guys, I have the utmost respect for them all as riders. Some acquit themselves better than others, but it's rare to find a successful racer at this level without some manner of personality defect - These guys are competing for the greatest prize in motorcycle racing, not the nobel peace prize...sure it gets ugly from time to time. We love our hero's and we love our villains - but to me they're all heroes once out on track. I didn't much care for 'lil John, Phil Read, Max, Fogarty, and a host of others - but didn't give a .... when it came to a Sunday and the flag dropped.



Enjoy the racing this weekend, and instead of this bickering and stressing ridiculous divisive differences and preferences over individual riders and allegiances, celebrate our united love and respect for the sport on this, your forum.



(Go Casey!)
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Given that Lads original post was pretty obviously tongue in cheek ........ I think the bold bit describes how your massive rant about everything ( and yet nothing
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unless your reply to Lad was also tongue in cheek .............
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in which case some of you guys may need to do subtlety with a sledge hammer from now on
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Given that Lads original post was pretty obviously tongue in cheek ........ I think the bold bit describes how your massive rant about everything ( and yet nothing
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) may have just taken the award for that described in the bold bit.

No, I agree with Burky, I think he's serious Barry. It honestly wouldn't surprise me.
 
Yes - by virtue of the full quote in the correct context







Thank you



Uhm, the full quote was there, wasn't it? Just broke it down into 2 parts. As for the context, well you have to admit, you may have provided a rather rich one there, so I thought I'd just trim the bits irrelevant to my reply.



No hard feelings?
 
No, not really. Stoner does fewer laps, so with in and out laps his average will be slower, so average is meaningless.



Clutching at straws?

I have no reason to clutch straws as I don't consider myself to be a Stoner hater (Please do understand that not every non-supporter of Stoner automatically becomes a hater). As Rossi is obviously atleast 0.5-1 sec slower than the Honda trio + Yamaha guys me clutching on the straws is not going to lift him up.



What I was pointing out was an unnecessary haste in proclaiming qatar winner as well as 2011 champ even though Lorenzo and even Pedrosa are looking as ominous as Stoner (esp Lorenzo as he is similar to Rossi in that he raises his performance a bit on raceday).

If you look at last 3-4 years, Stoner was super fast in Qatar practice but went on to win the championship only 1/4 times.



And for the record, the table was compiled by a very respected member of motomatters whose point was to paint a more real picture than belittling stoner's achievements.
 
I have no reason to clutch straws as I don't consider myself to be a Stoner hater (Please do understand that not every non-supporter of Stoner automatically becomes a hater). As Rossi is obviously atleast 0.5-1 sec slower than the Honda trio + Yamaha guys me clutching on the straws is not going to lift him up.



What I was pointing out was an unnecessary haste in proclaiming qatar winner as well as 2011 champ even though Lorenzo and even Pedrosa are looking as ominous as Stoner (esp Lorenzo as he is similar to Rossi is raising his performance a bit on raceday).

If you last 3-4 years), Stoner was super fast in Qatar practice but went on to win the championship only 1/4 times.



And for the record, the table was compiled by a very respected member of motomatters whose point was to paint a more real picture than belittling stoner's achievements.



I know you didn't mean harm there Renjith. But these kinds of statistics are strongly influenced by the starting values people choose to take (which, if done strategically can lead to somewhat misleading results). I'm sure the member of the motomatters forum meant well was not manipulating things on purpose. Still I'd advise you to at least take a look at the individual lap charts as well, you'll get a much clearer picture of where things stand.



Love that bolded part, I'm nominating that for post-of-the-day.
 
Uhm, the full quote was broke down. As for the context, well, have to admit, you may have provided a rather relevant reply.



No hard feel?



I guess it's easy to be selective when quoting someone that's all.
 

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