Binder has to be a little disappointed as Dani pretty much cock blocked him. Dani could have had Pecco but I understand he's not going to force the issue. Without Dani in front of him, Binder would have taken Pecco. Tomorrow should be interesting. A full race distance will test Pecco and Martin could pick up a nice chunk of points.
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Yea I agree. If it was anyone other than Dani, I bet Brad would have gone for it harder. Sometimes being the nice guy is actually not a good thing.
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I have wondered if Dani would of let Brad thru so he could gain a couple more championship points
That’s what they should have done. It was a bit amateur hour from KTM there.
No matter what drugs he was on, Pecco holding on to 3rd over a full race distance is incredible.
Would've loved to see Dani on the podium but the way he's able to perform in his wildcard appearances is still unbelievable.
Marc with a super impressive performance in 7th, get him on that Gresini asap.
Raul finally had a good run as well.
Race was not exciting at all, maybe a handful of passes in 27 laps.
Would've loved to see Dani on the podium but the way he's able to perform in his wildcard appearances is still unbelievable.
Marc with a super impressive performance in 7th, get him on that Gresini asap.
Raul finally had a good run as well.
Race was not exciting at all, maybe a handful of passes in 27 laps.
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Yep that aero ..... and ride height seems to have contributed to processional racing.
Agreed on Pecco and Marco doing very well over that instance whilst injured.
I wonder how much Honda wish they had of treated Dani better.
Couldn't be looking at his testing duties at KTM and face slapping themselves could they?
Agreed on Pecco and Marco doing very well over that instance whilst injured.
I wonder how much Honda wish they had of treated Dani better.
Couldn't be looking at his testing duties at KTM and face slapping themselves could they?
I don't know how Pecco finished that race. He looked like a dead man walking in parc ferme. Marco looked better than he did after the sprint, though: yesterday you could see the pain in his face the minute he flipped his visor. Hats off to the pair of them for managing to finish at all, awesome to get podiums.
Kudos to Martin as well, almost a faultless ride.
Pretty dull affair overall though, and I agree that Brad probably would have made a move if it had been any other rider in front of him.
Kudos to Martin as well, almost a faultless ride.
Pretty dull affair overall though, and I agree that Brad probably would have made a move if it had been any other rider in front of him.
Yes, Puig should be sacked for vindictively dismissing DP even apart from anything else, the longer Dani has been gone from Honda the worse the bike has become. Great as he is as a rider I am not so sure how much direction MM gives the Honda bike, and much of his success has probably involved bikes to which DP has made a contribution.Yep that aero ..... and ride height seems to have contributed to processional racing.
Agreed on Pecco and Marco doing very well over that instance whilst injured.
I wonder how much Honda wish they had of treated Dani better.
Couldn't be looking at his testing duties at KTM and face slapping themselves could they?
I still can’t warm to Bagnaia to the extent of becoming a fan, perhaps partly related to my prejudice against anything and anybody associated with Valentino Rossi, but he is obviously seriously good and third after last week was a remarkable effort, probably mentally even more than physically.
Never would have thought in 2006 that I would be cheering so hard for Dani Pedrosa in a race.
They had an interview with Mick Doohan and Casey Stoner together on Australian TV/Foxtel interspersed with the motoGP coverage yesterday, neither of whom seemed keen on the aero or ride height etc, nor Casey on Ducati being so dominant.
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Yeah, against all common sense I watched the boring advertising parade. I couldn’t see anybody really keen to be there in the proceedings. I’ll let the subscription run out.
I know I can watch local flat track racing for events without aero and where ride height is determined with a wrench.
I know I can watch local flat track racing for events without aero and where ride height is determined with a wrench.
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Riders blaming aero and the new tire pressure rule for the lack of overtaking:
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Is Misano doomed to hold boring MotoGP races now? - The Race
A MotoGP rules reset is still a ways away. Until then, is it doomed to having processional races at smaller tracks like Misano?
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Is there anyone not named Dall'Igna who is keen on the aero/ride height crap? Everyone knows it hurts the racing yet we gotta keep it cause... reasons.
Apart from that, I realize this is probably the last race that is gonna be dropped from the schedule but I never really liked this track at all. It's a slow, mickey mouse course without much of a flow.
Would love to see them go to Imola instead but that's not gonna happen.
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Bring back Istanbul. My favorite track they ever raced. My favorite race all time was Hayden, Stoner, and I think Melandri battling there.
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Good job by Dani Pedrosa but he can't pass anything including his own sailing test.
Well, this is the first race I've watched live in a while, but I haven't commented for 12 hours because there wasn't much information to be gleaned from the race. Martin rode a flawless race, and it was interesting to see how his riding style and setup appeared to give him a strong advantage in the acceleration zones. Pecco would close during trail braking, and Martin would leave him for dead on the way out of the turn. Bezzechi had another solid weekend, and both he and Martin scored points against Bagnaia. This season has been so dominant for Ducati that it's easy to forget the riders championship is still quite competitive.
So where do we stand in the KTM vs Aprilia battle for 2nd best bike? KTM appeared to be much stronger this weekend, but they eeked out a modest points gain in the constructors, and they lost ground in the teams competition, since Miller and Binder both had poor performances. Binder had pace but 14th on Sunday after a crash is not a great outcome. Dani saved KTM's constructor standing this weekend.
Since the top 3 were riding around with a second of one another, the midpack didn't get much screen time on Sunday. Not sure what was going on behind the leaders other than Marc over-performing, but still being bested by Oliveira and Vinales. Aleix? What happened? Fabio also had another snoozer despite corner speed being Yamaha's traditional bread-and-butter.
Ride height and aero, what can you say about them that hasn't already been said. How/Why were they ratified? Is this the worst decision in Grand Prix history? Although, if you watch WSBK religiously, where neither ride height nor aero feature, the racing is getting a bit processional over there as well. The riders don't have a lot of room for error, presumably because the electronics are keeping them on the edge. Difficult to say whether MotoGP will improve substantially if ride height and aero are banned, though MotoGP does have spec software and hardware.
Marquez has apparently been clowning on the public in an attempt to get Honda to raise their game. Wow, he and Puig are so clever. I'm sure they nearly halted Accord production in Indiana when they heard the news. If he spent half as much time developing a bike for the ride height devices as he does playing games, HRC might be in better shape.
So where do we stand in the KTM vs Aprilia battle for 2nd best bike? KTM appeared to be much stronger this weekend, but they eeked out a modest points gain in the constructors, and they lost ground in the teams competition, since Miller and Binder both had poor performances. Binder had pace but 14th on Sunday after a crash is not a great outcome. Dani saved KTM's constructor standing this weekend.
Since the top 3 were riding around with a second of one another, the midpack didn't get much screen time on Sunday. Not sure what was going on behind the leaders other than Marc over-performing, but still being bested by Oliveira and Vinales. Aleix? What happened? Fabio also had another snoozer despite corner speed being Yamaha's traditional bread-and-butter.
Ride height and aero, what can you say about them that hasn't already been said. How/Why were they ratified? Is this the worst decision in Grand Prix history? Although, if you watch WSBK religiously, where neither ride height nor aero feature, the racing is getting a bit processional over there as well. The riders don't have a lot of room for error, presumably because the electronics are keeping them on the edge. Difficult to say whether MotoGP will improve substantially if ride height and aero are banned, though MotoGP does have spec software and hardware.
Marquez has apparently been clowning on the public in an attempt to get Honda to raise their game. Wow, he and Puig are so clever. I'm sure they nearly halted Accord production in Indiana when they heard the news. If he spent half as much time developing a bike for the ride height devices as he does playing games, HRC might be in better shape.
What Bradl raced yesterday is what Marc & Co will test today.
According to Stefan, Honda improved somewhat with their new aero at the back and the new chassis (I imagine the Kalex one has been dumped for good) but the others have improved more than HRC. He says it's still not possible to attack. The concept with the new bike is a bit different but "for now, the results are the same as they have been".
He added the he and all the other Honda riders used the soft rear tire because they have so little traction.
And he said the bike obviously sucks in traffic due to aero but I guess you can say that about every bike.
Stefan Bradl (Honda/18.): «Wir sind am Überleben»
Der ganz große Durchbruch ist Stefan Bradl mit dem neuen Chassis und der neuen Aerodynamik in Misano nicht gelungen. Seine Bilanz fiel ernüchternd aus.
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If Marc voluntarily stays at HRC even though a better option is available to him I have little sympathy for him if he never wins another race.
Loyalty is a good thing but Marc should know that racers sometimes have to be egoistic - on and off the track.
I'm legitimately gonna be angry at him if he doesn't go to Gresini.
The racing itself isn't bad at all imo. Superbikes can pass in corners where MotoGP can't. What makes it a bit monotonous is the Bautista dominance.
What Bradl raced yesterday is what Marc & Co will test today.
According to Stefan, Honda improved somewhat with their new aero at the back and the new chassis (I imagine the Kalex one has been dumped for good) but the others have improved more than HRC. He says it's still not possible to attack. The concept with the new bike is a bit different but "for now, the results are the same as they have been".
He added the he and all the other Honda riders used the soft rear tire because they have so little traction.
And he said the bike obviously sucks in traffic due to aero but I guess you can say that about every bike.
Stefan Bradl (Honda/18.): «Wir sind am Überleben»
Der ganz große Durchbruch ist Stefan Bradl mit dem neuen Chassis und der neuen Aerodynamik in Misano nicht gelungen. Seine Bilanz fiel ernüchternd aus.
If Marc voluntarily stays at HRC even though a better option is available to him I have little sympathy for him if he never wins another race.
Loyalty is a good thing but Marc should know that racers sometimes have to be egoistic - on and off the track.
I'm legitimately gonna be angry at him if he doesn't go to Gresini.
The racing itself isn't bad at all imo. Superbikes can pass in corners where MotoGP can't. What makes it a bit monotonous is the Bautista dominance.
Well, after testing today it seems all of the HRC riders are demanding big changes. Fascinating situation because most of us probably remember Doohan saying or recounting that he had to make HRC stop messing with the bike. Gardener had similar remarks after Lawson worked with Kannemoto to make a Honda that worked in 1989.
Regarding WSBK, you're right. The racing is better, and riders can generally get by another rider if they force the issue. MotoGP is a different kettle of fish. The rider is almost more likely to lose positions attempting a move, unless they have superior pace to the rider in front. MotoGP is becoming a 1 racing line affair.
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Martin was on fire this weekend, if he can keep that form more consistent, he's a major championship bet in the near future. Both Bez and Pecco rode well given their injuries, hats off to them.
Well, seeing as Aprilia have .... riders in my (unpopular I admit) opinion, my money is still on KTM. They had a bad day with their race riders but for Binder that is rare, and I'm interested to see what this carbon frame brings to the table if it is raced by BB and JM. They both went fast on it on Monday, and tiny Dani showed that it is competitive in race trim
Aprilia: I'll say it before and I'll say it again. They will continue to be occasional race winners until they change both their riders. The worrying thing is they seem happy with that. After bragging about how good their riders were 1 week ago with their 1-2 finish, they finish 5th and the winner last time out finished...*Checks notes*...12th. TWELFTH! On a weekend where 2 top Ducatis were riding injured and Binder crashed out, that's abysmal. He was battling with Fabio for most of the race and Marc beat him on the PSO Honda with a soft tyre. In fact, he was the last Aprilia. Had he and Fabio swapped bikes, there is no way they'd be racing together on track.
Aprilia will never be serious champiosnhip contenders until they get new riders. Binder is probably one of the top 3 riders on the grid at the moment and with Acosta coming in, KTM are set for the future. Aprilia are happy winning the off race with riders at the end of their careers collecting a paycheck.
Anyone who has doubts about Marc's still present talent and desire need to look at his performance this weekend compared to the other Hondas. Put that guy on any Euro bike and he will be back at the front.
The usual. Ducati crying foul about how MotoGP is a prototype series and if they don;t get what they want, they'll leave.
This made me chuckle.
