MotoGP 2011: QATAR

Keshav said:

Seems all you do here 99% of the time is try to offend people. You are a tedious little .....

Even if you're doing it as some kind of performance art - you're a bore. .... off and die.

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Personally I think he is one of the regulars trying to stir ppl up..............



Seriously who would write such crap normally?



Cheers



Gecko

Bunyip said:

Subtext Michael. You and I know exactly where he is coming from. He,s just being a bit more subtle about it than usual.



The Diplomat is not needed here. Kevin has a spare seat on his plane for Tobruk, leaving shortly.

I,ve noticed the same phenomenom over all the forums...........the Rossifans are mostly predicting Pedrosa to beat Stoner, or expect "crashy" Stoner to return, little understanding the fact that the high crash rate was due to the lack of feedback from the Ducati front end ( the feedback that tells you that the front tyre is about to let go).

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This will teach me to use smilies, which I usually eschew; they obviously don't convey irony well. I was agreeing with you.



Kevin might be hoist on his own petard if he flies to tobruk as you may be implying, but he seems to have been right in this instance, despite the vehement condemnation of andrew bolt. I actually see some similarity, and a similar lack of any sense of irony, in the extreme rossi fans who label others haters to the "shock jock" journalists such as andrew bolt and piers who continually rail against the bias of others, while they of course are not biased but just possessed of the ability to be always correct in any criticisms they may engage in, but re-reading my post I was perhaps a little too obtuse for you to impute my meaning.



I actually have supported and will continue to support talpa when he is being pro-rossi rather than anti-stoner, which has mostly been the case recently, although I am sure my support is a matter of indifference to him.

Michael, I could spend hours giving my opinion on Bolt, Akerman et al, but here is not the place to disseminate.



In brief, if I had the power to remove from the planet Rupert Murdoch,Abbott, Jones, Akerman and Bolt, the world would be a far far better place.



In hindsight Kevin did well here. I used to think he had fine diplomatic skills, but apparently he rubs many up the wrong way. I think you would do a far better job. You,ve missed your calling Michael

BarryMachine said:

Its pretty obvious Buny, not sure why Michael attempts to justify it.

I put this new "Boppers backing Pedrosa" phenomenon down to the problem ( for them ) that they feel they need to hate Stoner ( the reason for which was based in the fact that he is Rossi's true nemesis ), but since Rossi is no longer up there or looking able to ever placate them, or give them backing, they have maintained the Stoner hate but merely switched the label that may give them a win at times

hence a reason ( albeit illogical

) for their sooking at Stoner.

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Yep!

Hardcore Boppers need a hero to worship and identify with, and if they can join forces with the Chosen One in subduing an evil foe, so much the better. Doing these things brings a moment's comfort and a tiny shred of meaning to their otherwise empty, miserable lives. If Rossi can't get the job done, their allegiances will soon seamlessly shift to Pedrobot, The Fabulous Furball, Pie Man, or anyone else deemed capable of vanquishing Casey the Beast.

The podium will be;



1. Stoner

2. Pedrosa

3. Speez



Lorenzo will finish 4th but he'll be EXTREMELY upset about Speez. If that happens, his post race comments will be poorly received by his team and his fans.

Bunyip said:

Michael, I could spend hours giving my opinion on Bolt, Akerman et al, but here is not the place to disseminate.



In brief, if I had the power to remove from the planet Rupert Murdoch,Abbott, Jones, Akerman and Bolt, the world would be a far far better place.



In hindsight Kevin did well here. I used to think he had fine diplomatic skills, but apparently he rubs many up the wrong way. I think you would do a far better job. You,ve missed your calling Michael

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If Kevin were shot down in the no fly zone, the world would be a better place. Providing of course the Australian Labor Party goes with him.

I personally would not miss Abbott myself but I'm not happy with our current prime minister, Bob Brown.

Geonerd said:

Yep!

Hardcore Boppers need a hero to worship and identify with, and if they can join forces with the Chosen One in subduing an evil foe, so much the better. Doing these things brings a moment's comfort and a tiny shred of meaning to their otherwise empty, miserable lives. If Rossi can't get the job done, their allegiances will soon seamlessly shift to Pedrobot, The Fabulous Furball, Pie Man, or anyone else deemed capable of vanquishing Casey the Beast.

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Do you realise that the worship of Stoner probably started the same way - joining forces with the Chosen One in subduing the evil foe, Valentino Rossi. Those that joined forces were probably empty and miserable for much longer than the Boppers.

A lot of people have always believed Pedrosa to be fast and he is - he has kept with Stoner to date. The test will be when the lights go out, can he keep with Stoner over race distance. I think this year will be Pedrosa's best year. He will fight to the end with Stoner for fear of losing his ride. That rivalry will bring out the best in him.



Stoner is coming across very cocky these days and has started taking shots at his old employer - one could say that is similar to Rossi.



My personal view, what gives anyone the right to denigrate another person for the choice in rider they support. They may not share the same belief in that particular rider's skills but that doesn't give the right to ridicule. There are many reasons why people support different riders, what makes people who support Stoner better than those who support another rider. That's like saying I'm better than you because I'm Australian.

sorry if this isnt the spot, or if its already been answered, but someone please pm me a live feed if one's been found.. i'm feenin! .. and good to be back

Tekniqs said:

i'm a motogp noob..can someone explain how the 2008 record still stands considering the developments on the bike? spec tires?

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esco said:

i believe he was on michelin qualifying tires. they're no longer in use.

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povol said:

Correct, 08 was the last year they used q's

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Esco and Povol are correct on both counts for Lorenzo time, but it doesn't explain the real gem--Stoner's 2008 race lap of 1:55.1. Back in those days Casey was riding Bridgestones, very special Bridgestones, and the story of their disappearance has shaped MotoGP as we know it.



The the MotoGP Oracle has explained (with compelling circumstantial evidence) that Qatar 2008 was the last race in which Casey Stoner used his beloved 2007 Bridgestone tires. The race was a massacre, and during the race Stoner produced the fastest laps seen around the circuit during racing competition. But when Casey arrived in Jerez, his tires were gone. Turns out the tire manufacturers had brokered a deal with Dorna to reduce the cost and the performance of the tires, and after allowing one final romp in Qatar, Bridgestone pulled the plug on the 2007-spec tires.



The rest is history. Yamaha quickly adapted to the new tires with the help of the Rossi-Burgess tandem. Rossi notched two consecutive championships. Stoner mysteriously started losing the front and his intestinal fortitude. Ducati are still clueless as to how to design a proper chassis around the new tires. They've hired the best development team in the business to give direction to their aimless chassis development. Kawasaki were caught out by the unexpected tire change. Kawasaki withdrew in rage when their billion dollar baby (2008 ZXRR) didn't get along with the new tires ("golddigging" John Hopkins is the scapegoat). Team Green defiantly refused to pay the breach of contract fees to Dorna since Dorna had scuttled Kawi's GP ambitions with shoddy tire rules. Ultimately, Kawasaki acquiesced to Dorna's demands by providing a single bike (without Kawasaki markings) to the Hayate team. Poverty-stricken Suzuki didn't have the money to redesign their chassis to suit the new tires so they went from near champs to complete chumps. Suzuki have only one bike for 2011.....and no riders. Honda have been stumped by the new tires. After 3 seasons of throwing parts at the RC212V, they've finally got the prototype part they need--Casey Stoner.



Yes, the implications of this seemingly inconsequential circuit lap record are absolutely monumental.



Thank you for revisiting this stat with me. It is an interesting part of MotoGP's history and this message board's history. One last time to pay homage to the data point. End of an era. ensive:



What? No pensive emoticon? I'm going to have to speak with Ben at once.

Im sure its going to be a Stoner Victory Followed by dani with a fight between Dovi Spies Simoncelli and J Lo for 3rd behind them will come in Vale!

Darn what a .... night 5am fark





keshav fully understand the rant

Burky and the reason you stopped visiting

many have stopped visiting and said there sick of the same chit as what you two mention



I Dont post half as many topics as i did that i find it turns to flame wars



if ppl need a feed that link should be good share it with the regulars if you can



IT's the first QP of the year looking forward to it i'm going to watch it on the big TV in Eng

i'm gonned

woody996 said:

Do you realise that the worship of Stoner probably started the same way - joining forces with the Chosen One in subduing the evil foe, Valentino Rossi. Those that joined forces were probably empty and miserable for much longer than the Boppers.

A lot of people have always believed Pedrosa to be fast and he is - he has kept with Stoner to date. The test will be when the lights go out, can he keep with Stoner over race distance. I think this year will be Pedrosa's best year. He will fight to the end with Stoner for fear of losing his ride. That rivalry will bring out the best in him.



Stoner is coming across very cocky these days and has started taking shots at his old employer - one could say that is similar to Rossi.



My personal view, what gives anyone the right to denigrate another person for the choice in rider they support. They may not share the same belief in that particular rider's skills but that doesn't give the right to ridicule. There are many reasons why people support different riders, what makes people who support Stoner better than those who support another rider. That's like saying I'm better than you because I'm Australian.

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Amen. All great points, and now it seems as though lashings are being dealt out if one fails to even mention Stoner, let alone worship him, in a post about a Motogp round, in a thread about a Motogp round which involves many other riders......



Nothing new with the usual suspects, other than the increased levels of absurdity.







Anyhow onto something much more interesting and relevant, I just read that HRC is keeping an extremely closed lid on their new box, even from within, with only one selected team member ever allowed to remove the unit from the engine, only then to take it alone into a locked room to adjust ratios.........I'm not to sure if this type of security has a precedent, certainly in F1, however the leaks involved nowadays and the instant access to serious communication most likely make it warranted.

I agree with Talpa, the only reason Stoner is fastest is because of the new Honda gearbox. Put Stoner on the new Ducati (which obviously isn't as good as the version he rode to victories) and you'd see how slow he really is.

lad said:

I agree with Talpa, the only reason Stoner is fastest is because of the new Honda gearbox. Put Stoner on the new Ducati (which obviously isn't as good as the version he rode to victories) and you'd see how slow he really is.

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You forgot the ironic emoticon...............Talpa might really believe all that.

lad said:

I agree with Talpa, the only reason Stoner is fastest is because of the new Honda gearbox. Put Stoner on the new Ducati (which obviously isn't as good as the version he rode to victories) and you'd see how slow he really is.

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not at all, stoner is the greatest motorcycle racer ever to walk the earth......haven't you read ps much?



and bunny one thing I do believe is that you are an intelluctual wonder without peer.......





And lastly I also believe that Tony Elias will win this weekend by 47 seconds......

Talpa said:

not at all, stoner is the greatest motorcycle racer ever to walk the earth......

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Sadly thats the nearest thing to reality you have ever said

Burky said:

No! Just love yourself, mirrors, your own reflection etc!!!!



Honestly, your comments were offensive. End of carreer etc, what a knob!!!!



Just because (not cuz) I make a comment about decent language, don't try to jump on a bandwagon and make something out of it that isn't there!!!!



Jeeeeez!!! 2 days!!!! It's nice to be back!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The California Kid said:

Im sure its going to be a Stoner Victory Followed by dani with a fight between Dovi Spies Simoncelli and J Lo for 3rd behind them will come in Vale!

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I would have to agree with you there CK.

Either way I think were gonna get some of the best racing weve seen for years.

& I for one cant wait.

Bring it on!

mylexicon said:

Yes, the implications of this seemingly inconsequential circuit lap record are absolutely monumental.



Thank you for revisiting this stat with me. It is an interesting part of MotoGP's history and this message board's history.

One last time to pay homage to the data point. End of an era. ensive:



What? No pensive emoticon? I'm going to have to speak with Ben at once.

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Tekniqs, take Lex with a pinch of salt, like here he commonlly presents his conspiracy theories and far fetched interpretations as fact. This could be what happened, but it could just be an old lap record, that happens sometimes too.

Stoner uber alles. Pedro close. Between these two, the opening laps should be interesting!

Then Dovi, Sic, Spies, Lorenzo.

Rossi? Who knows. In 2008 he was fifth, I think his worst result in Qatar of all races he finished. This year he would be happy to be 5th imo...



The Honda gearbox... While it is evident that Stoner's stellar performance is not depeneding on the gearbox, the general Honda domination certainly is helped by it.

It is also funny to see some enthusiastically quoting Burgess saying the gearbox is irrelevant, when the same dismissed almost all recent remarks from Burgess, when they went against their wishful thinking