Moto 2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ May 6 2009, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dissapointing news from Honda,there will be no recast crankcases .......bit of a pisser as it leans away from the `prototype` roots.Also read that they will probably concentrate more on head work and may let teams have more to do with their own tuning work. Honda are expecting to deliver engines to teams around October so you may see them this year out on track.
Hmmm I wonder if Dorna are going to let unofficial CBR600 engines out on track this season to give us a taste of whats to come,I mean releasing engines in October won`t give teams much of a chance to prepare an official bike before the end of the season,will it?

They are getting CAD schematics for the engines well in advance of October, allegedly. I'm sure teams are still somewhat disappointed b/c testing on track is far better than anything they can simulate.

BTW, I've been reading various grumblings in the press that DORNA has not included any details about traction control since they declared it would be banned. A 150hp 600cc engine is not particularly rider friendly, I'm beginning to worry that TC may be included to help save children from tossing themselves into the stands.

Why couldn't they just make an engine with usable power instead of insisting that the new engine be more powerful than WSS spec?

Yamaha not concerned about losing Moto2 bid

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Moto2 will not stay single engine for long, imo.










MCN article

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 6 2009, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamaha not concerned about losing Moto2 bid

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Moto2 will not stay single engine for long, imo.










MCN article

Yes,the diversity of chassis is not really enough,more than one engine manufacturer is most welcome.
At least that way there is some kind of parallel to Moto GP,which is how it should be.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ May 5 2009, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Which kills more, leaves more families devastated, is a larger burden on health care, and costs tax payers more? All the heroin addicts I know are educated, productive people, many with families and high tax burdens, more than supporting the relatively few street junkies out there.
Are you ....... kidding me? Dude your actually trying to make a case for heroin? Sheesh

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ May 7 2009, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you ....... kidding me? Dude your actually trying to make a case for heroin? Sheesh
Yeah, and a pretty good one. I enjoy chasing the dragon when the circumstances are right, it can be very enlightening. Cigarettes on the other hand have no benefit, are promoted and condoned even though tobacco is the deadliest drug in the world AND the largest medical drain on the western economy.

I can agree with the tobacco thing,its left my lungs in bits after 25yrs of smoking,if you`ve never smoked ,don`t start now.

I think that if people had the availability of opiates like they do cigarettes we would see a far larger problem. There have been a few societies hooked on opiates and it almost practically destroyed them. Cigarettes, although placing a pretty heavy burden on society and the healthcare system, is far from the destruction that an opiate addicted society could cause. I don't smoke so I could care less whether cigs are illegal or not but the same case is made for alcohol, obesity, etc...So what, make them all illegal, or make them all legal ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 7 2009, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think that if people had the availability of opiates like they do cigarettes we would see a far larger problem. There have been a few societies hooked on opiates and it almost practically destroyed them. Cigarettes, although placing a pretty heavy burden on society and the healthcare system, is far from the destruction that an opiate addicted society could cause. I don't smoke so I could care less whether cigs are illegal or not but the same case is made for alcohol, obesity, etc...So what, make them all illegal, or make them all legal ??
SW please enlighten me on which societies almost destroyed themselves. Then we'll discus.

I'm libertarian by nature so I say legalize everything and anything, let people take responsibility for their own actions (morally and economically), let the cards fall where they may. The human herd is in need of some culling anyway, so let natural selection take its course!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 6 2009, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think that if people had the availability of opiates like they do cigarettes we would see a far larger problem. There have been a few societies hooked on opiates and it almost practically destroyed them. Cigarettes, although placing a pretty heavy burden on society and the healthcare system, is far from the destruction that an opiate addicted society could cause. I don't smoke so I could care less whether cigs are illegal or not but the same case is made for alcohol, obesity, etc...So what, make them all illegal, or make them all legal ??

Both alcohol, and to a lesser extent, smoking, are institutionalized. Drugs are taboo, and thus carry a huge social stigma. Although strictly not a narcotic, where it is not of opiate derivation, alcohol is categorized in a group that includes other narcotic drugs. Alcohol abuse can lead to dependancy and addictions as acute and comparable or arguably worse than heroin. With the nature of alcohol, its intoxicating effects, allied to which, its harsh withdrawal effects confirm it too is considered a narcotic by the medical and scientific community. Yet it remains ingrained in our ingrained in our popular psyche and societal preconceptions as a social norm

I'm not disputing or downplaying that role that habitual drug use plays in premeditated crime, in respect of the user, usually in the form of larceny or robbery. There is also a demonstrable link between the incidence of violent crime and prohibition/criminalisation. I'm also fully aware of the social cost, (both in the literal and metaphorical sense) of Cold Turkey...and that's close to home, witnessing my brother in law currently continue to do battle with a methadone dependancy.

In spite of this, alcohol is the real scourge of society. As an industry it, ensnares, consumes and destroys peoples lives with impunity. The real damage is not only out on the streets, but behind closed doors, and by its very nature encourages and breeds violent crime.

......., I just kicked over my bottle of smirnoff reaching for the TV remote. What was this topic about? oh yeah the introduction of the new moto2 class at the expense of the 250's...enough to drive a man to drink.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 6 2009, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Both alcohol, and to a lesser extent, smoking, are institutionalized. Drugs are taboo, and thus carry a huge social stigma. Although strictly not a narcotic, where it is not of opiate derivation, alcohol is categorized in a group that includes other narcotic drugs. Alcohol abuse can lead to dependancy and addictions as acute and comparable or arguably worse than heroin. With the nature of alcohol, its intoxicating effects, allied to which, its harsh withdrawal effects confirm it too is considered a narcotic by the medical and scientific community. Yet it remains ingrained in our ingrained in our popular psyche and societal preconceptions as a social norm

I'm not disputing or downplaying that role that habitual drug use plays in premeditated crime, in respect of the user, usually in the form of larceny or robbery. There is also a demonstrable link between the incidence of violent crime and prohibition/criminalisation. I'm also fully aware of the social cost, (both in the literal and metaphorical sense) of Cold Turkey...and that's close to home, witnessing my brother in law currently continue to do battle with a methadone dependancy.

In spite of this, alcohol is the real scourge of society. As an industry it, ensnares, consumes and destroys peoples lives with impunity. The real damage is not only out on the streets, but behind closed doors, and by its very nature encourages and breeds violent crime.

......., I just kicked over my bottle of smirnoff reaching for the TV remote. What was this topic about? oh yeah the introduction of the new moto2 class at the expense of the 250's...enough to drive a man to drink.

We`re all still passionate about it though mate,thats what counts.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ May 6 2009, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SW please enlighten me on which societies almost destroyed themselves. Then we'll discus.

I'm libertarian by nature so I say legalize everything and anything, let people take responsibility for their own actions (morally and economically), let the cards fall where they may. The human herd is in need of some culling anyway, so let natural selection take its course!
i agree.
education over prohibition.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ May 7 2009, 03:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SW please enlighten me on which societies almost destroyed themselves. Then we'll discus.

So you never heard of the opium wars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

The Yamaha looks like like the R6. Why not just call it SuperSport Prototypes then?

The CEV is going to have its own Moto2 class. Because of all the rules changes, Moto2 bikes will be running in the Spanish FX class. Next round is at Jerez so comparisons can be made between the 250s and Moto2 bikes (but CEV bikes won't have prototype tires).

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CEV are rumored to be using an almost identical rules package to GP. They've posted the technical regulations on their website.

Moto2 Technical Specifications

4-cylinders bikes must weight 135kg and they will have 4" fronts and 6" rear tires. These bikes are going to pull 3gs in the corners Unless the governing body has developed a way to control tire performance without using a spec tire.

It doesn't look like the CEV have updated the rules to reflect the spec Honda engine. The Yamaha bikes seen in the pictures are probably being developed to race in CEV this year. Maybe the CEV will be a test bed for manufacturers who are developing their 600cc Moto2 engines?

Edit: I see Teo beat me to it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heng47 @ May 7 2009, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you never heard of the opium wars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
Of course I have. Just trying to clarify if that was where SW was going with his thought because, as I'm sure you know heng, the opium wars were a political/economic leverage tool of the British Empire and in no way infer nor imply a society destroying itself. In fact the exact opposite is true - the OWs are a clear reminder of a society diminished by greedy external forces.

[quote name='mylexicon' date='May 7 2009, 04:50 PM' post='188755']
The CEV is going to have its own Moto2 class. Because of all the rules changes, Moto2 bikes will be running in the Spanish FX class. Next round is at Jerez so comparisons can be made between the 250s and Moto2 bikes (but CEV bikes won't have prototype tires).

Link

CEV are rumored to be using an almost identical rules package to GP. They've posted the technical regulations on their website.

Moto2 Technical Specifications

4-cylinders bikes must weight 135kg and they will have 4" fronts and 6" rear tires. These bikes are going to pull 3gs in the corners Unless the governing body has developed a way to control tire performance without using a spec tire.

It doesn't look like the CEV have updated the rules to reflect the spec Honda engine. The Yamaha bikes seen in the pictures are probably being developed to race in CEV this year. Maybe the CEV will be a test bed for manufacturers who are developing their 600cc Moto2 engines?

Edit: I see Teo beat me to it.
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Its good to see that things are gathering momentum now,I`m sure we`re going to have some very interesting things to mull over,its all good.

Good news for Moto2

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As if IMS had any other choice but to accept the 600cc rule.

I'm concerned about Flamini's quote about how WSS bikes ride against other manufacturers. Perhaps the likelihood of more manufacturers joining Moto2 is less than I had imagined. If Paulo is caning the idea that WSS is better because it has the big 4, he will certainly fight if the big 4 go to Moto2.

I still don't think InFront has any cards to play though.

Its all toe in the water for a few manu`s at the moment,I can see this snowball getting bigger.(crosses fingers)

Roby Rolfo tested a Moto2

Thu 28 May, 08:25 AM

Yesterday was a very important day for Roberto Rolfo.

The Italian rider came back to the track, after the unlucky start of the season in the Superbike world championship, to test on the Spanish circuit of Jerez de la Frontera the Moto2 of the Blusens Team.

The bike is a prototype with a CBR600 Honda engine, the same base that will be delivered from Dorna to all Teams that will participate to the 2010 World Championship.

Despite the very high air and ground temperatures ( 30 and 50 degrees respectively), Roberto after 6 hours of practice fixed his best lap time on 1'44.3, which is less than one second from the best lap of 250 Spanish GP race, held on this circuit last month.

“I'm very happy to make my debut on the new category in Jerez because it is a track that I always liked very much On this track I won a race in the 250 class in 2004 . After this test I'm convinced that this new category will be very exciting because the bike is a compromise between the handling of a 250 and the strength required from a 4 stroke machine”, commented Roby. “Surely the definitive version that will be used on the MotoGP Championship (category Moto2) will have an higher powerful engine and it will be more developed prototype. I'm particularly glad and I wish to ride one of these machines on the next MotoGP-Moto2 championship”.

hmm wonder what time a better rider would have got.