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misfit · Jun 4, 2019

Holypuck said:
Call me crazy but IMHO on the right bike they would both still be capable of winning a race every now and then, on certain tracks. Especially Jorge.

It does seem the flavour of the month to talk down Rossi and JLo. I fully agree with you and would add that it's more than now and then that they would win. Dovi is not the next in line in terms of capability on track. I'm not convinced he's better than JLo or Rossi for that matter. I don't think he's that good though I really like him.

Theo · Jun 4, 2019

misfit said:
It does seem the flavour of the month to talk down Rossi and JLo. I fully agree with you and would add that it's more than now and then that they would win. Dovi is not the next in line in terms of capability on track. I'm not convinced he's better than JLo or Rossi for that matter. I don't think he's that good though I really like him.

In think Dovi's problem is he fact when he hits front a switch turns off and he goes into tyre saving mode, could be why IMO he will never win a championship in this class, but yes he's a likeable guy, just no killer instinct.

Hollywood · Jun 4, 2019

I think Dovi's strategy has a lot to do with tires, he wants to save as much tire as he can to battle it out, he's one of the best at gaining a position back immediately after loosing it. I think if Dovi could start races on the Hard/Hard compounds he would try to check out from the field, but his qualifying has been ...., and that forces him to start with mediums to battle early.

Holypuck · Jun 4, 2019

As I'm always happy to state, and as much as I'm still stoked for Petrux, I'm a huge Dovi fan. Followed his whole career. Each time I was lucky enough to have quick talks with him at races or at the Italian motor shows he made me even more of a fan. Super polite and kind person and more importantly a very down to earth guy.

But I have to agree with Misfit when he says that JL and VR are better riders overall (and the amount of titles they won proves it, imho) and with Theo on his statement: most times he lacks the killer instinct indeed. On the other hand tho, he can be very brilliant with strategies and such.

I guess your favorite rider is like your football team tho. You are supposed to follow them in the good and in the "bad" things/moments

misfit · Jun 4, 2019

Dovi is one of my favourites as well. Very nice fellow. I was really hoping he would take the 2017 title since it would have likely been his only chance. Though he has a good head and excellent racecraft, he lacks that little extra pace. He also seems to be quite sensitive to setup and conditions so he will be there on one weekend and nowhere on another.

The really fast and successful riders tend to be more ruthless and erm selfish. IMO, Stoner was a notable exception, but he bailed out quickly because he couldn't take the 'circus' anymore.

MagicMarc93 · Jun 4, 2019

Holypuck said:
As I'm always happy to state, and as much as I'm still stoked for Petrux, I'm a huge Dovi fan. Followed his whole career. Each time I was lucky enough to have quick talks with him at races or at the Italian motor shows he made me even more of a fan. Super polite and kind person and more importantly a very down to earth guy.

But I have to agree with Misfit when he says that JL and VR are better riders overall (and the amount of titles they won proves it, imho) and with Theo on his statement: most times he lacks the killer instinct indeed. On the other hand tho, he can be very brilliant with strategies and such.

I guess your favorite rider is like your football team tho. You are supposed to follow them in the good and in the "bad" things/moments

He does come across like that on TV. Actually despite Lorenzo's poor public image he's really good to talk to as well, chatted briefly to him several times over the years.

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Hollywood · Jun 4, 2019

Dovi should be an automatic Q2 qualifier at every round of the championship, though for some reason his side a the garage is never focused on this, almost as if they are over thinking the set up.

misfit · Jun 4, 2019

Hollywood said:
Dovi should be an automatic Q2 qualifier at every round of the championship, though for some reason his side a the garage is never focused on this, almost as if they are over thinking the set up.

It just struck me, but I can't think of any other rider than Marquez who is always qualifying at the front. All the others tend to be up and down. I'm not sure if it's the tires. But it's amazing how Marquez tends to make it on the front row. Dovi is being sometime'ish like the others.

MagicMarc93 · Jun 4, 2019

misfit said:
It just struck me, but I can't think of any other rider than Marquez who is always qualifying at the front. All the others tend to be up and down. I'm not sure if it's the tires. But it's amazing how Marquez tends to make it on the front row. Dovi is being sometime'ish like the others.

It's called "Being the best ever".

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darkkakashi · Jun 4, 2019

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lYkJijQCc2Q

Gaz · Jun 5, 2019

Flame suit on.

Holypuck said:
Call me crazy but IMHO on the right bike they would both still be capable of winning a race every now and then, on certain tracks. Especially Jorge.

Lorenzo on the Yamaha or Suzuki would be more than capable of winning races and I do expect him to get some wins on the Honda, but in saying that I also cannot hide my disappointment in just how slow his transitions are from competitive back to competitive (Yamaha - Ducati - Honda).

Rossi, well he can still win races as we have seen but for me (can feel some steaming up now), the number of circumstances he needs in his favour are far greater than a Lorenzo to win, and in saying this I do not refer to the bike but all other aspects. There is no doubt he has the racecraft, the mind, the desire and the will but I am not so sure he is able to put them all together as frequently as we have seen in the past - yes, I think age is catching up.

misfit said:
It does seem the flavour of the month to talk down Rossi and JLo. I fully agree with you and would add that it's more than now and then that they would win. Dovi is not the next in line in terms of capability on track. I'm not convinced he's better than JLo or Rossi for that matter. I don't think he's that good though I really like him.

This is where the flame suit may be needed but I do agree and personally I would have him 4th at best as for me, the tribulations of Rossi and Lorenzo are masking the order somewhat, but then, you can also only compete against those on the same track at the same time so in that aspect, he is best of the rest as it sits today.

Holypuck · Jun 5, 2019

Gaz said:
Flame suit on.

Lorenzo on the Yamaha or Suzuki would be more than capable of winning races and I do expect him to get some wins on the Honda, but in saying that I also cannot hide my disappointment in just how slow his transitions are from competitive back to competitive (Yamaha - Ducati - Honda).

Rossi, well he can still win races as we have seen but for me (can feel some steaming up now), the number of circumstances he needs in his favour are far greater than a Lorenzo to win, and in saying this I do not refer to the bike but all other aspects. There is no doubt he has the racecraft, the mind, the desire and the will but I am not so sure he is able to put them all together as frequently as we have seen in the past - yes, I think age is catching up.

This is where the flame suit may be needed but I do agree and personally I would have him 4th at best as for me, the tribulations of Rossi and Lorenzo are masking the order somewhat, but then, you can also only compete against those on the same track at the same time so in that aspect, he is best of the rest as it sits today.

I agree with most of the above.

As per Lorenzo, what sorta worries me is that he has not yet had one single "moment". In his first Ducati year, when he was struggling a lot, he was still capable of putting down fast laps every now and then, as well as good qualifying sessions and was even capable of having a few laps up front in the race, before dropping out of the top 5/top 10....but so far with Honda he hasn't done ANY of that...I really dunno what to think.

Gaz · Jun 5, 2019

Holypuck said:
As per Lorenzo, what sorta worries me is that he has not yet had one single "moment". In his first Ducati year, when he was struggling a lot, he was still capable of putting down fast laps every now and then, as well as good qualifying sessions and was even capable of having a few laps up front in the race, before dropping out of the top 5/top 10....but so far with Honda he hasn't done ANY of that...I really dunno what to think.

Agreed on Lorenzo but at the same time, if my aging memory is still close to usable he did not start to show much until the second half of the season in year 1 at Ducati (all from memory so could well be wrong).

He has still had a couple of good sessions/laps so far on the Honda but not enough of the consistency we have come to expect or the metronomic approach where he turns lap after lap at the same pace ...........much like early days at Ducati.

I will be fair and wonder if it is the seat to peg to bars that seemed the issue at Ducati and has followed to Honda as there is no doubt Lorenzo has a different style to Marquez so bike dynamics and dimensions may be interesting

Keshav · Jun 5, 2019

Holypuck said:
I agree with most of the above.

As per Lorenzo, what sorta worries me is that he has not yet had one single "moment". In his first Ducati year, when he was struggling a lot, he was still capable of putting down fast laps every now and then, as well as good qualifying sessions and was even capable of having a few laps up front in the race, before dropping out of the top 5/top 10....but so far with Honda he hasn't done ANY of that...I really dunno what to think.

Flame? I don't see anything controversial in your post. Seems well thought out.

Mrpurple · Jun 5, 2019

Was Suzuki on the table when he took the Honda? He should have had his invincible phase run out with his time at Ducati...Honda can change only so much for him.

Get the filthy lucre while you can I know but maybe wining races gives more in the end.

Holypuck · Jun 5, 2019

Keshav said:
Flame? I don't see anything controversial in your post. Seems well thought out.

come again?

misfit · Jun 5, 2019

It's Gaz and not Holypuck that was concerned he may need a flame suit. But I don't think so.

Holypuck · Jun 5, 2019

LOL I hadn't even noticed that

Keshav · Jun 5, 2019

Holypuck said:
come again?

Ooops - replied to wrong post. That was for Gaz.

Barbedwirebikerr · Jun 6, 2019

Clearly the RCV fits Marc much better.
Or Marc fits the RCV better.

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