Lorenzo switches to Alpinestar leathers

Goatboy said:

So you think all leathers should be bland then?

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No Gloatboy, but a neon sign that says "Big Ego Ahead" isnt exactly my thing. Whats funny is u guys go all rollie eyes on Lorenzo but Rossi, a-o-kay with the production event, eh.

Jumkie said:

No Gloatboy, but a neon sign that says "Big Ego Ahead" isnt exactly my thing. Whats funny is u guys go all rollie eyes on Lorenzo but Rossi, a-o-kay with the production event, eh.

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Thing is Rossi did it (stand out leathers, one off helmets, after race celebrations, the lot) before Lorenzo even came into the sport.



Lorenzo could be seen as copying a working model for attracting fans, but sometimes his copycat stuff is a little too similar for my liking.



One red leg one black leg... Sure I've seen something very like that before... Ah, yes. Rossi has had one yellow, one black for years!!



This was part of the reason I (and many others) disliked Lorenzo in 250s, but I think his ability as a racer has shone through in the top class and I was particularly impressed with his public soul searching after sooo many highsides in his first year. Admitting he was scared (and wearing a clear visor for many races seemed to back that up) and then coming to terms with it in the way he did impressed almost all of his original detractors I believe.



For me, however, his bitching after Japan this year lowered my opinion of him somewhat. It reminded me of Alonso whining that Fisichella was in front of him on the track when they were at Renault and asking the team to make him get out of the way. It's racing FFS. Stop being a ..... and overtake

stiefel said:

Well maybe Rossi got special leathers flown in overnight before the races and Lorenzo didn't. Ever though about that, huh?

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Jumkie said:

No Gloatboy, but a neon sign that says "Big Ego Ahead" isnt exactly my thing.

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So them big ... posts of yours are not the equivalent of a neon sign? Hmm

Goatboy said:

So you think all leathers should be bland then?

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This is the leathers jumkie is hopping for



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Now that's what I call an invitation to road rash

yamaka46 said:

Thing is Rossi did it (stand out leathers, one off helmets, after race celebrations, the lot) before Lorenzo even came into the sport.

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Yes but Rossi didn't invent any of these things either

For me, however, his bitching after Japan this year lowered my opinion of him somewhat. It reminded me of Alonso whining that Fisichella was in front of him on the track when they were at Renault and asking the team to make him get out of the way. It's racing FFS. Stop being a ..... and overtake

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It was pretty mild compared to actions of the previous two world champions when they have been frustrated. Lorenzo is no Nicky Hayden, but he is better than a lot of riders.

Goatboy said:

So them big ... posts of yours are not the equivalent of a neon sign? Hmm

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The long ones are usually directed at the Yellow Army in which u are a foot soldier. It takes lots of repitition to get a point across. But ur rite, i may hav to change strategy, as the many words seem to confuse u guys.

chopperman said:

This is the leathers jumkie is hopping for



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R those ur personals? .....

yamaka46 said:

Thing is Rossi..,

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Well buddy, u know half the .... i say is fun & games. Which remind me of Lorenzo. Has anybody ever stopped and considered Lorenzo may do this as a spoof? I actually think some of it is, hence why he (like no other) hes managed to get under Rossis skin. And it tickles me to see Rossi take some of his meds. Ur rite, its very similar to Rossis antics, and thats what ive come to laff at.



Did u also lower ur opinion of Vale when heade similar pout of Elias at Istanbul? Either both complaints valid or are u gonna do some magic rationalization like J4rno and say Rossi was justified but Lorenzo was not?

Jumkie said:

R those ur personals? .....

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Hey, are you shrinking compa? ive just noticed in your avi that Lorenzo is taller than you Shrinking with age

chopperman said:

Hey, are you shrinking compa? ive just noticed in your avi that Lorenzo is taller than you

Shrinking with age

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Not the only thing shrinking for Jums





Yep, rossi had overnight Dainese special suits made from an Alien Space suits obtained from Area 51 which enabled him to excrete toxic gases when passing opponents- whilst glowing with heat which could be felt by the opponent in front, forcing them to lose the front



Not too mention the overnight specials AGV lids, which are modeled off the same Alien Tech, have always given Rossi a heads up display giving him information on the thought processes of his opponents throughout the race, and speeding up his neuro signals......... they also have invoked hatred amongst other riders-turning them against one another, across all three classes, through telepathy....

Jumkie said:

The long ones are usually directed at the Yellow Army in which u are a foot soldier. It takes lots of repitition to get a point across. But ur rite, i may hav to change strategy, as the many words seem to confuse u guys.

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If you change strategy, angle & point of view anymore you'll be dizzy.



I might suggest that others have a little search for Barry Sheene & his white leathers.

Talpa said:

Where was Rossi when Stoner and Dani were fierce rivals in 125's-250's, very busy disliking each other? Adding to this Stoner's comments on Dani and Puig upon his signing with Honda-and the sharing data issue, and Dani's comments back, Rossi was conducting the whole thing from the Fiat Garage I suppose??

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Whilst they were definitely fierce rivals I think there has mostly been mutual respect between stoner and pedrosa, certainly so hitherto in the premier class. As we discussed at the time the honda data sharing issue seemed to be sprung on them by journalists resulting in mutual perplexion, and perhaps primarily reflected a puig vs suppo conflict rather than anything between pedrosa and stoner. Both pushing for what maximally benefits each of them within the hrc team is to be expected in any case and does not necessarily imply personal animosity, and the position of each on the question of data sharing when asked off the cuff was consistent with their previous practice.



Whilst valentino obviously likes beating stoner, I am not sure he particularly dislikes him either, and in fact seems to have praised him more than any other significant rival ( given that he has ever had a significant rival, with which you may disagree ). I think you are on fairly safe ground with the other rivalries among the top 4, there is fairly definite mutual dislike between rossi and lorenzo, and pedrosa and lorenzo.

michaelm said:

Whilst they were definitely fierce rivals I think there has mostly been mutual respect between stoner and pedrosa, certainly so hitherto in the premier class. As we discussed at the time the honda data sharing issue seemed to be sprung on them by journalists resulting in mutual perplexion, and perhaps primarily reflected a puig vs suppo conflict rather than anything between pedrosa and stoner. Both pushing for what maximally benefits each of them within the hrc team is to be expected in any case and does not necessarily imply personal animosity, and the position of each on the question of data sharing when asked off the cuff was consistent with their previous practice.



Whilst valentino obviously likes beating stoner, I am not sure he particularly dislikes him either, and in fact seems to have praised him more than any other significant rival ( given that he has ever had a significant rival, with which you may disagree

). I think you are on fairly safe ground with the other rivalries among the top 4, there is fairly definite mutual dislike between rossi and lorenzo, and pedrosa and lorenzo.

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Agreed as far as Pedrosa vs. Lorenzo and Rossi vs. Lorenzo is concerned. However, I don't see any significant hatred between Lorenzo and Stoner, and can't remember any real problems in the 250's either (but as I posted in this thread before, perhaps I just remember them).



I think the relationship between Rossi and Stoner is somewhat complex. I believe Stoner came into the top class with a dose of admiration for Rossi. But I think if you'd get half a bottle of Tequilla in him and ask him for his opinion about Rossi now, the answer would amount to something like 'that guy is everything I hate about the sport'.

Jumkie said:

Well buddy, u know half the .... i say is fun & games. Which remind me of Lorenzo. Has anybody ever stopped and considered Lorenzo may do this as a spoof? I actually think some of it is, hence why he (like no other) hes managed to get under Rossis skin. And it tickles me to see Rossi take some of his meds. Ur rite, its very similar to Rossis antics, and thats what ive come to laff at.



Did u also lower ur opinion of Vale when heade similar pout of Elias at Istanbul? Either both complaints valid or are u gonna do some magic rationalization like J4rno and say Rossi was justified but Lorenzo was not?

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Interesting concept of Lorenzo spoofing Rossi but I doubt it. As I said, using the "Rossi model" is an eminently sensible approach to gaining fans, it's just that Lorenzo doesn't seem as natural at it.



Regarding Elias in 2007, yes I was disappointed with Rossi's comments. The "worst" of the 2 moves was on Lap 5 when Elias overtook under brakes but didn't get the bike stopped and ran wide across Rossi's line causing him to lose balance and hence time. This was in effect not much different than the famed Laguna Seca pass of Rossi on Stoner.



The big difference between Rossi's comments and Lorenzo's IMO was that Rossi was seeing the dominance of Stoner on the Duke and felt that the championship was slipping away for the second consecutive year and so was rather frustrated. His comments were made to the press immediately after the race before he had chance to calm down. (Much like Stoner's after Laguna Seca).



Lorenzo appeared to be sanguine after the race, showing a thumbs up from his garage to the cameras. Later, when he'd thought about it, he went whining to Yamaha to get his team mate to not race him so hard. This despite the fact that with Pedrosa out, the WC was all but mathematically Lorenzo's - all he needed to do was wobble round in the top ten - there was no need for the fight for 3rd that he was complaining about. If he'd stayed behind Rossi none of it would ever have happened.



That is why I think there's a difference between Rossi's "pout" and Lorenzo's "whiny .....", not because any of the incidents were anything other than racing.

yamaka46 said:

Interesting concept of Lorenzo spoofing Rossi but I doubt it. As I said, using the "Rossi model" is an eminently sensible approach to gaining fans, it's just that Lorenzo doesn't seem as natural at it.

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I don't think it is so much the gaining of fans that is the aim. That is only instrumental. I believe that Lorenzo, and the people around him, have simply realized that using the "Rossi model" is the best way to get yourself firmly in place on competitive equipment. Fans and appeal to the media (marketability) create leverage in that sense.



In a sense, Rossi has forced others to behave like he does in order to get on level terms as far as equipment and influence are concerned. It has worked brilliantly for Lorenzo, who embraced this modus operandi. It can also be contrasted beautifully with Stoner, who stinks at this approach.

Jumkie said:

No Gloatboy, but a neon sign that says "Big Ego Ahead" isnt exactly my thing. Whats funny is u guys go all rollie eyes on Lorenzo but Rossi, a-o-kay with the production event, eh.

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Rossi seems to do it because he enjoys the antics. Where Jlo seems to do it as a marketing tool, hell he wasn't sure what he was supposed to do when he won the title. He repeats his celebrations. How many times is he going to do the moon landing? There was another race late in the year where Rossi went up to the fence along the start/finish after the race to wave to the crowd. So Jlo sees this and has to run out there and do the same thing. When I hear him speak I like him, his words are honest. He is a very emotional dude. Butit appears to me his antics are forced. I think he needs to settle down and become true to himself, quit trying to be some image that he is not.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Rossi seems to do it because he enjoys the antics. Where Jlo seems to do it as a marketing tool, hell he wasn't sure what he was supposed to do when he won the title. He repeats his celebrations. How many times is he going to do the moon landing? There was another race late in the year where Rossi went up to the fence along the start/finish after the race to wave to the crowd. So Jlo sees this and has to run out there and do the same thing. When I hear him speak I like him, his words are honest. He is a very emotional dude. Butit appears to me his antics are forced. I think he needs to settle down and become true to himself, quit trying to be some image that he is not.

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It's be great if were to become enlightened enough to do this - but my guess is - he's started

the ball rolling - and it's too late to take a new approach.

stiefel said:

I don't think it is so much the gaining of fans that is the aim. That is only instrumental. I believe that Lorenzo, and the people around him, have simply realized that using the "Rossi model" is the best way to get yourself firmly in place on competitive equipment. Fans and appeal to the media (marketability) create leverage in that sense.



In a sense, Rossi has forced others to behave like he does in order to get on level terms as far as equipment and influence are concerned. It has worked brilliantly for Lorenzo, who embraced this modus operandi. It can also be contrasted beautifully with Stoner, who stinks at this approach.

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That was what I was meaning. I wasn't implying Lorenzo is a full on narcissist though I'm sure he'd like "his" sea of fans to be bigger than Rossi's



Disagree with the second para, though. Look at Spies - hardly using the "Rossi model" and yet manages to take Rossi's seat after just one year. That's because he's a fast peddler and that is always marketable. As you say, Stoner doesn't follow the approach either and yet has landed a top seat at Honda - could that be because he is arguably the fastest rider out there and that of his lack of celebrations etc is irrelevant?