Jorge could and should still win the title

J4rn0 said:

Rossi did fall out of grace with most people at Michelin when he celebrated a win in 2006, wearing Materazzi's shirt. Passion was running strong in France after that eventful final at the Football World Cup, with the famous episode between Zidane and Materazzi. This is a fact. Any suspicion that some guys at Michelin might have exacted revenge for that, on the decisive Sunday, is just a suspicion and will always remain such. That's why "you never know" if the tires were the same as Saturday's (when Rossi made pole if I remember well). Rossi will never say more than that. And now that Michelin are coming back, in what could be his last season, certainly Rossi doesn't want to revive any old ghosts.

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Quoted for infamous posterity.

J4no, dont try to backpedal, the context of your post is quite clear.

J4rn0 said:

Relax, it was not proposed as a conspiracy. That the French were pissed at Rossi is a fact; the rest is empty speculation. Also, de rigueur a revenge is not a conspiracy, it is a one-time action that gets its satisfaction and ends there.

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Bro come on homie, you totally introduced this episode as a conspiracy theory. And I've quoted you above to preserve it.

Friend, I think you may need to familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word (not surprising as other 'conspiracy dismissivers' have struggled with word definitions).

CONSPIRACY: treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot, scheme, plan, machination, ploy, trick, ruse, subterfuge

Radha said:

Lol. Grown ups fighting over yo mama jokes.

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You mean, they were acting like 11 year olds? Weird, these guys were playing in a world cup, final no less. Usually these types of people peak in the elementary grades and never amount to anything.

I see this thread is on the cusp of being destroyed by Kesh, yet again. Though he made his appeal to others and made certain promises, for which he has not kept, and again is lashing out. I wonder if those who he appealed to, those prudent members of the forum, will call him out on his vitriolic reaction to an otherwise benign joke by somebody. Somebody said it takes two to tango, that reminds me of the principal chastising both the bully and the victim in the movie Bully. Of course the victims are all of us who have to put up with his malice and cod phycological criticisms. Now he is lashing out indignant hate rage over some fantom perceived injury, an injury were his reaction is a reply to no words uttered against him. This from a person who claims interest in upholding a civil forum experience and rebuilding this space to its once grandeur, which quite ironically he has been systematically destroying. I wonder if Kesh will ever reveal these supposed members who have PMed him, who have undoubtedly created some delusional sense of custodianship for Kesh, those who have in private expressed their lamentations over this forum, now would be a good time for those supposed members to tell Kesh to stop lashing out at people and to relax instead of damaging this space.

J4rn0 said:

That's basically correct, however penalty shootouts are such a lottery that one can never know whether even the best players will score or not. The pressure is really huge in those circumstances. The way Zidane lost his nerve that night remains suprising for a professional player of his experience, who was used to what defenders can say and do to make an opponent nervous.

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Zidanes weakness was his short temper(sent off 14 times in his career often for daft things such as retaliatory headbutts and stamps) and Materazzi played it to perfection winding him up.

AntG said:

Zidanes weakness was his short temper(sent off 14 times in his career often for daft things such as retaliatory headbutts and stamps) and Materazzi played it to perfection winding him up.

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Well...let's talk soccer. Seems apropos on MotoGP forum given FIFA being exposed for corruption. Ha!

I remember this incident well, it was during a time when I hated this sport for its flagrant ......... We had a similar incident this match week in the game between Chelsea and Arsenal. Chickenshit Diego Costa managed to get Gabriel to react, frankly in far more benign fashion (assuming you even believe he did anything wrong, which I think is a stretch). Meanwhile I counted at least 4 incident where Chickenshit Diego Costa should have been booked, 2 of which were clearly red card worthy sending off violations. But what happened? Gabriel is sent off for defending a teammate that had been assaulted by the chickenshit Spaniard. Insult to injury, Chickenshit Diego Costa is involved in scoring leading to Arsenal's loss. This is soccer justice.

Btw..


Go Shrewmsberry Town
Go Leisure City
Go Southcrapton

Diego Costa is the biggest piece of .... in football on the planet.

He was an absolute scumbag when he was still in La Liga.

He's continued his outright thuggery in EPL now.

Gabriel was wrongly sent off and the FA reversed the 3 game ban as they should have done, and then brought Diego Costa up on charges thank god.

I genuinely wish someone would tackle him so hard both of his legs break, and then they step on both his arms so they break as well. .... him up the ... with a red hot poker.

Jumkie said:

Bro come on homie, you totally introduced this episode as a conspiracy theory. And I've quoted you above to preserve it.

Friend, I think you may need to familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word (not surprising as other 'conspiracy dismissivers' have struggled with word definitions).

CONSPIRACY: treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot, scheme, plan, machination, ploy, trick, ruse, subterfuge

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JPSLotus said:

Diego Costa is the biggest piece of .... in football on the planet.

He was an absolute scumbag when he was still in La Liga.

He's continued his outright thuggery in EPL now.

Gabriel was wrongly sent off and the FA reversed the 3 game ban as they should have done, and then brought Diego Costa up on charges thank god.

I genuinely wish someone would tackle him so hard both of his legs break, and then they step on both his arms so they break as well. .... him up the ... with a red hot poker.

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Its how I feel about Pepe.

Jumkie said:

Its how I feel about Pepe.

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I genuinely believe Diego Costa was sent from hell to this world to create chaos, anguish, misery, despair, and torment.

There is no conceivable reason for his existence on this planet period.

Pepe doesn't even come close in my book.

JPSLotus said:

Diego Costa is the biggest piece of .... in football on the planet.

He was an absolute scumbag when he was still in La Liga.

He's continued his outright thuggery in EPL now.

Gabriel was wrongly sent off and the FA reversed the 3 game ban as they should have done, and then brought Diego Costa up on charges thank god.

I genuinely wish someone would tackle him so hard both of his legs break, and then they step on both his arms so they break as well. .... him up the ... with a red hot poker.

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Mike Dean won that game for Chelsea.

No, Gabriel was correctly sent off but the incident would never have arisen had Dean not lost control of the game failing to dismiss Costa earlier as he should have been. Reminded me of Beckham on Simeone. So have the F.A. have now set a precedent that apparently it's ok to kick an opposing player because any resultant booking will be rescinded? Whatever tenuous credibility that remained for Dean has now been ruined.

Costa is there to do a job - and he does it well. In particular he exploits the vulnerability of CBs in the modern game. But he crossed the line on Saturday and regarding match officials, he's a marked man now - or rather his [red] card is marked. When Chelsea visit Leicester we should choose to deploy three at the back, Huth, Benalouane and Wasilewski ... he'd be leaving The King Power in a body bag or at best camping overnight in an oxygen tent.

Diego Costa is the Romano Fenati of the footballing world. He even has the same irritating features.

Wouldn't every Premiership team die for an antagonistic, obnoxious, wayward laddo up front that causes mayhem in the box and with a face you'd love to punch? - Oh wait.

JPSLotus said:

I genuinely believe Diego Costa was sent from hell to this world to create chaos, anguish, misery, despair, and torment.

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David Squires on ? the dark arts of Diego Costa | Football | The Guardian

Arrabbiata1 said:

Mike Dean won that game for Chelsea.

No, Gabriel was correctly sent off but the incident would never have arisen had Dean not lost control of the game failing to dismiss Costa earlier as he should have been. Reminded me of Beckham on Simeone. So have the F.A. have now set a precedent that apparently it's ok to kick an opposing player because any resultant booking will be rescinded? Whatever tenuous credibility that remained for Dean has now been ruined.

Costa is there to do a job - and he does it well. In particular he exploits the vulnerability of CBs in the modern game. But he crossed the line on Saturday and regarding match officials, he's a marked man now - or rather his [red] card is marked. When Chelsea visit Leicester we should choose to deploy three at the back, Huth, Benalouane and Wasilewski ... he'd be leaving The King Power in a body bag or at best camping overnight in an oxygen tent.

Diego Costa is the Romano Fenati of the footballing world. He even has the same irritating features.

Wouldn't every Premiership team die for an antagonistic, obnoxious, wayward laddo up front that causes mayhem in the box and with a face you'd love to punch? - Oh wait.

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I have to disagree.

Diego Costa is the sort of guy who brings an entire sport down because of his behavior. This goes beyond simply being annoying, he's a thug on the field and makes games unfun to watch as a result. I don't mind villains as it makes for more interesting games. But he takes .... to a level that is simply unacceptable at any level of sport.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Mike Dean won that game for Chelsea.

No, Gabriel was correctly sent off but the incident would never have arisen had Dean not lost control of the game failing to dismiss Costa earlier as he should have been. Reminded me of Beckham on Simeone. So have the F.A. have now set a precedent that apparently it's ok to kick an opposing player because any resultant booking will be rescinded? Whatever tenuous credibility that remained for Dean has now been ruined

Costa is there to do a job - and he does it well. In particular he exploits the vulnerability of CBs in the modern game. But he crossed the line on Saturday and regarding match officials, he's a marked man now - or rather his [red] card is marked. When Chelsea visit Leicester we should choose to deploy three at the back, Huth, Benalouane and Wasilewski ... he'd be leaving The King Power in a body bag or at best camping overnight in an oxygen tent.

Diego Costa is the Romano Fenati of the footballing world. He even has the same irritating features.

Wouldn't every Premiership team die for an antagonistic, obnoxious, wayward laddo up front that causes mayhem in the box and with a face you'd love to punch? - Oh wait.

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I think we have interacted more on whatsapp regarding soccer than we ever did about MotoGP. (Well, except when your phone experiences that intermittent gremlins of the type that surely sabotaged Valentino's fateful Valencia race in 06, caused in part or not by a soccer t-shirt, who knew?)

Notwithstanding, I must register my disagreement with you regarding the ref’s plight, even specifically in this match. As you know I have expressed my disdain for refers often, especially during the FIFA World Farce (Mexico’s exit to the ........ tournament aside), but…I have had a change of heart. The game in question did end up being a farce, but as much as you wouldn’t blame the physician for your health negligence, I see a parallel here as well. Blame the doctor? No, the ref is a single man running around trying to make split decisions in a game where one single call can decide to erase 90 mins of action. First of all, the rules are ........ and need to be “modernized” (I’ll get to your point about the “modern game” below). Only in soccer can one bad decision be so monumental that it makes the entire contest meaningless. Its like the players are playing this game while there is this hair-trigger bomb poised to explode at any second or not, in any given game, regardless of its importance or lack their of. Its called the penalty rule, and I have yet to hear a consensus whenever it has been applied properly, ever. Imagine that, a rule that nobody agrees on but yet decides a contest, regularly.

Second, the ref is trying to manage a game where 22 players on the field are trying to deceive him first and contest the contest second…this my friend is what I perceive as the “modern game”! Diego Costa’s job is certainly NOT to “exploit the vulnerabilities” of players personalities, that is utterly a rubbishing of the game, a perversion of the contest and its rules at best! In fact, its why I never liked this sport, because its constant manipulation, contrivance, deception, and a circumventing of the spirit of this game. How many times have we heard the following to accept this hogwash (sorry Cameron): “Soccer is like life.” This ........ rationalization doesn’t even hold up for its intended ostrich like rationale. It is NOT like life, but it certainly is a rationalization and cliché that has tricked the masses into living an dying by an arbitrary contest that has often been decided by little to nothing regarding the skill of the player’s performance on the pitch.

What needs to happen to legitimize the arbitration of this “modern sport”? I don’t think the ..... rule will ever be modified, and in theory it makes good sense, but in practice, it is impossible to apply. Therefore, the recourse for this and all the other shortcomings of the game could be mitigated by the introduction of referee aids, in the form of more referees, technology to assess calls to make more accurate calls, and heavy handed sanctions for attempts at manipulating the rules. How many dudes would do what chickenshit Diego Costa and Pepe do on a regular basis, if they knew when getting caught it would result in a 3 month ban? It’s the same with MotoGP, the Fenatis and Marquez’s of the sport, and ......... in life, exist because the policing of them is so weak. And before anybody says, this would disrupt the “flow” of the game if say we were to introduce instant replay, for .... sake, tell the guys running around (even when they are losing) who just scored a goal like they just cured cancer to put their shirt back on and ....... get back on the pitch. Not to mention those feigning injury masterminds, it is still called “injury time” right? You know, those few minutes they add to every single half ever. Haha.

Regardless, I still have hope for soccer. I am a fan.

Go Shrewmberry Town
Go Leisure City
Go Southcrapton

Thats enough JRRM! If you guys don't stop talking about soccer I'm going to turn it up a bit in here. I've got plenty of Stoner jokes.

Radha said:

Whats a Broma barata?

Is your Avatar real. Are you Rodney Dangerfield?

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Your life.

Keshav said:

Your life.

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Actually I think thats what they call the pulled pork at chipotle but whateves.

Keshav said:

Your life.

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You have me very confused. You say a lot of things I don't understand. Is this a Star Wars reference

Jumkie said:

You mean, they were acting like 11 year olds? Weird, these guys were playing in a world cup, final no less. Usually these types of people peak in the elementary grades and never amount to anything.

I see this thread is on the cusp of being destroyed by Kesh, yet again. Though he made his appeal to others and made certain promises, for which he has not kept, and again is lashing out. I wonder if those who he appealed to, those prudent members of the forum, will call him out on his vitriolic reaction to an otherwise benign joke by somebody. Somebody said it takes two to tango, that reminds me of the principal chastising both the bully and the victim in the movie Bully. Of course the victims are all of us who have to put up with his malice and cod phycological criticisms. Now he is lashing out indignant hate rage over some fantom perceived injury, an injury were his reaction is a reply to no words uttered against him. This from a person who claims interest in upholding a civil forum experience and rebuilding this space to its once grandeur, which quite ironically he has been systematically destroying. I wonder if Kesh will ever reveal these supposed members who have PMed him, who have undoubtedly created some delusional sense of custodianship for Kesh, those who have in private expressed their lamentations over this forum, now would be a good time for those supposed members to tell Kesh to stop lashing out at people and to relax instead of damaging this space.

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I see.... Trumpkie never gets tired of re-opening old wounds and fanning the flames that would just die of their own accord because Trumpkie loves playing to the cheap seats because he needs the attention.

My offer still stands. If you and the muppets will desist in your pathetic efforts to lie about me, twist my words, and generally ostracize me for having an opinion different from yours and stick to talking about racing - I will do the same. But clearly it has to start with the four of you - and you've never let up. Personally - I doubt that the four of you have what it takes because you're already so invested in trying to push my buttons that you can't help yourselves. You're so tied up in promoting the ........ meme that I ever tried to net nanny or in any way set an agenda that you can't stop. When I say something critical I'm lashing out but when you lay on thick with the insults and ad hominem attacks - it's just taking the piss. The Tea Party style fake outrage hypocrisy is endless. If you can't stop yourself then stop whining and don't expect anything to change.

For me it's not a problem. When you were absent along with Mudfish and Manboobs - there weren't any flame wars going on here.

Keshav said:

My offer still stands. If you and the muppets will desist in your pathetic efforts to lie about me, twist my words, and generally ostracize me for having an opinion different from yours and stick to talking about racing - I will do the same. But clearly it has to start with the four of you - and you've never let up. Personally - I doubt that the four of you have what it takes because you're already so invested in trying to push my buttons that you can't help yourselves. You're so tied up in promoting the ........ meme that I ever tried to net nanny or in any way set an agenda that you can't stop. When I say something critical I'm lashing out but when you lay on thick with the insults and ad hominem attacks - it's just taking the piss. The Tea Party style fake outrage hypocrisy is endless. If you can't stop yourself then stop whining and don't expect anything to change.

For me it's not a problem. When you were absent along with Mudfish and Manboobs - there weren't any flame wars going on here.

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^just click the link

"I will be arrested"

JPSLotus said:

I have to disagree.

Diego Costa is the sort of guy who brings an entire sport down because of his behavior. This goes beyond simply being annoying, he's a thug on the field and makes games unfun to watch as a result. I don't mind villains as it makes for more interesting games. But he takes .... to a level that is simply unacceptable at any level of sport.

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I find this all very boring. Does anyone like cricket? I could chat about cricket all day long