Surely they had access to high quality parchment and calligraphy, they are Japanese after all. Casey's chagrin was obviously well justified.
I think the broken shoulder and leg from the throttle problem which they initially denied may also have stretched the friendship.
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When a rider "develops" a bike - his priority is to customize it to suit himself, which Stoner obviously did quite well given the results he obtained. If others weren't talented enough to make use of the changes suggested by Stoner, that's their failing.
I thought for sure this tiresome subject was dead and buried. But since it's arisen from the grave like some weary zombie cliche, it bears mentioning that the same would hold true for Rossi, who was heralded by the Boppers as being a genius at development. Once Lorenzo joined him at Yamaha Lorenzo's bike was refined to suit him, not Rossi. And then when Rossi went to Ducati - he couldn't manage to do .... with the Ducati, whereas Stoner kicked ... on the Ducati and won championships with it - exploding the silly myth that Stoner didn't know how to give feedback. Races and championships don't lie. Fact.
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Casey being unhappy with Honda was in a for our eyes only post by David Emmett, not on his own site or much in the general press afaik. I am sure David is correct, even apart from similar posts on here by him proving correct before, but Casey hates HRC doesn't seem to be the theme of the general coverage.
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Read the ....... text again. It was Stoner saying very clearly that issue was due to the bike being primarily developed by a slow Japanese rider
for a year, there was no way he could could magically undo all the new changes that negatively affected the bike. He said he knew what the problems
consisted of - but not wanting to give away Honda secrets, it would have been impolitic (not to mention a breech of his contract) to elucidate further.
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For someone who wants to bring down the vitriol and gain the upper ground...well. let's push some .... in here.
That said, I hope CS goes to Ducati and rips laptimes on the "...." Michelins. Then laughs and heads back to retirement.
As I wrote. No laptimes. No care.
edit:that was for Michaelm
That said, I hope CS goes to Ducati and rips laptimes on the "...." Michelins. Then laughs and heads back to retirement.
As I wrote. No laptimes. No care.
edit:that was for Michaelm
Relax, man. Why are you so worked up?
Here's my translation - MM said that "the Japanese test rider developed the bike. Stoner, when he participated in the test, tried the bike, but it's obvious that he can't develop anything".
I think CS would respond to that by saying that he doesn't need to ride the bike week in, week out. He jumped on the bike, pointed out its flaws, and that was that.
"Un poco sí íbamos probando chasis y quizá el problema que teníamos, y que según nuestro equipo es el carácter del motor, allí quedaba disimulado, por las condiciones tan altas que había de temperatura, ya que cuando hace tanto calor la moto corre menos. Por lo que respecta a la evolución de la moto, al final la ha hecho el piloto de pruebas japonés. Stoner, cuando hizo el test probó la moto, pero está claro que después de un año sin ir en moto, no puede desarrollar nada."
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Well .... me. As you can see that was a perfectly reasonable debate myself and Gazzie poo were having. And as you can see by the end in the replies it was over. This is a perfectly relevant debate dip .... so chill. But I'll play since you are feeling feisty. How in the .... is it helpful to "develop" a bike for yourself when you are retired? That makes about as much sense as owning a harmonics store in NYC. And don't bring Rossi into this this thread is about Stoner and his abilities. You want to talk about Rossi do it with all the noobies in about 100 other threads. Grumpy old man.
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Stoner has one card yet to play.
He's the most talented rider and you'll be shocked when he gets the fastest time right from the first lap at the first free practice.
Do not understimate him, for this is his talent and what he knows to do better than any other rider.
For Stoner, lapping as fast as hell in a GP bike is like riding a bicycle: you never forget how to do it.
He's the most talented rider and you'll be shocked when he gets the fastest time right from the first lap at the first free practice.
Do not understimate him, for this is his talent and what he knows to do better than any other rider.
For Stoner, lapping as fast as hell in a GP bike is like riding a bicycle: you never forget how to do it.
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Casey 'chose' to go to the third maybe fourth best factory bike. Neither Honda nor Ducati have a great track record with Stoner, both manufacturers have been known to have tension with riders (which I think is normal, given the marquee is looking out for itself as much as the rider). So for me it appears all things considered (as opposed to a over simplified linear correlation) that Stoner is interested in new challenges. He could have just as easily chosen not to work, but he is still young and knows he can assist while the fun of riding a GP machine. Both Honda and Ducati have been accused of not listening to their rider (hell it was a mantra for two years which reached high heaven) so regardless it will be interesting. Also, if Casey had any input for the 13/14 RCV development, two WCs surely would list his name in the credits.
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I actually agree with Mdub, surprisingly, I don't see much point in Stoner being a test rider for Ducati unless he really is thinking of a comeback.
Mdub has forgotten one bike that was developed when he was the lead rider for Honda, the original version of the Honda 1000 bike on which he was destroying the field by margins of over half a second in testing before the last minute weight and tyre changes.
I actually agree with Mdub, surprisingly, I don't see much point in Stoner being a test rider for Ducati unless he really is thinking of a comeback.
Mdub has forgotten one bike that was developed when he was the lead rider for Honda, the original version of the Honda 1000 bike on which he was destroying the field by margins of over half a second in testing before the last minute weight and tyre changes.
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I don't know, he seemed capable of competing when the Desmosedici was at it's absolute worst. I recall wins in 2009 and 2010. Granted competing for a title was another story, but the GP15 was capable of more IMO. Dovi is the weak link there. Iannone really stepped up this year, but I don't think he has that last bit to take that bike to the promised land unless it "rides itself" or is close to that level.
I'm going to make a bold statement to match my throbbing erection, Stoner would have gotten multiple wins out of that bike this year.
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All I have seen indicates two things, one being that the contract runs out in December and the second being some level of falling out as a result of comments made by others aside from CS or Nakamoto (although I recall some comment from Nakamoto that was very non-commital a few months back)
There have also been rumours that HRC's attitude to COTA has played a part but I suspect that we shall never know the truths as being fair, CS is a complex character and HRC generally don't comment
And that is a separate question really and a shame in some ways if Pirro is not around but business is business
Good point actually ............. has development stymied somewhat between the two factory riders?
At the start of the season, it was all Dovi but by years end we were all singing Ianonne's praises (Sparrow started singing earlier of course
)If it ends up happening, will be fun and interesting, no doubt garner lots of media interest and the forums of the world will go off wanting to know the times.
Tissue sales will go up (that being crying tears or cleaning up mess) and keyboard sales may also increase along with it.
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