Honda threatens to quit MotoGP
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This.
If the bikes go any faster, the riders would all fall off (maybe a small over-statement, but I think you get my point).
Maybe this is a tangent, but the thing I like like about F1 is that today's machines have engines that are so much smaller than before, and the cars are more heavily regulated. Because of this, engineers have to find clever ways to make 'em go faster. Also, today's F1 cars have slower lap times compared to say, 2005 (or around that time). But the cars still move bloody quick! From this perspective, it is contradictory for MotoGp to move to bikes with higher cc's. I'm not suggesting MotoGp should copy F1 (there are a lot of things that suck in F1, IMO), but I think this focus on refining technology is one of the purposes of motorsport. One cannot deny F1 has been very interesting (if not, unpredictable) with 7 different winners in 7 different races thus far this season. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that uncle Bernie and his band of freaks are doing something right. However, to keep us grounded in reality, we shouldn't get overly excited and erase last season from our memories, which was the complete opposite of this season.
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you clearly don't get the point or you're main interest is with the machines, not the top riders in the world
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Why some cannot grasp that is mind boggling. These machines are supposed to be hard to master, and the ones who do are the elite. Why anyone would want the talent of riders like Lorenzo, Stoner, Rossi and Pedrosa throttled down to a common denominator is beyond me, a sickness really . A sign of how weak some in society have become.
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some of you guys suffer from a serious reading weakness or are too content jerking each other off to engage in real conversation.
where exactly do you put those guys on a denominator when you write a rule book that highlights rider ability? if anything, electronic aids serve to bring them to a common denominator.
if you guys think a 260hp bike with traction control ,engine braking system, wheelie control , blablabla , is harder to ride and allows the best to shine more than on a bike with say 230hp and no rider aides at all it shows how much riding you guys do.i give up, its no use debating this.
at least do it like birdman and admit you're mainly interested in the machinery, but this excuse that we need more electronics because it weeds out the bad riders (thats de facto what you're lot are saying) is ridicolous
i think i get why casey is leaving,concerning the tech part. if they detune engines and performance but keep developing the aids it will be as hard as never before for the top riders to go faster and hot headed riding will pay off more than a better riding technique.that you guys don't get that you can wish for a ban on electronics and be happy if the bikes lost a couple of hp in turn for reduced cost and thus more healthy series is really startling
where exactly do you put those guys on a denominator when you write a rule book that highlights rider ability? if anything, electronic aids serve to bring them to a common denominator.
if you guys think a 260hp bike with traction control ,engine braking system, wheelie control , blablabla , is harder to ride and allows the best to shine more than on a bike with say 230hp and no rider aides at all it shows how much riding you guys do.i give up, its no use debating this.
at least do it like birdman and admit you're mainly interested in the machinery, but this excuse that we need more electronics because it weeds out the bad riders (thats de facto what you're lot are saying) is ridicolous
i think i get why casey is leaving,concerning the tech part. if they detune engines and performance but keep developing the aids it will be as hard as never before for the top riders to go faster and hot headed riding will pay off more than a better riding technique.that you guys don't get that you can wish for a ban on electronics and be happy if the bikes lost a couple of hp in turn for reduced cost and thus more healthy series is really startling
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Why is there so few who can do it. Its called balls buddy, some have more than others. Its about the speeds that certain individuals are comfortable with. You're proposing neutering the guys with big balls so the guys with smaller balls can compete. Its a microcosm of the world at large. Some run towards danger, some run away. The slower you make the machines, the more riders you will have that feel safe, thats not racing. More of a contrived show.
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We have discussed this ad infinitum, and I don't know what the answer is (other than whatever suits the rider you support perhaps, or getting rid of what doesn't suit him), but I am fairly sure it is not changing the rules every 3 months if you don't like who is winning, or nasbike. As I have said previously, you could very likely achieve close racing by picking 20 guys with bike licences at random from the crowd, and putting them on 250 honda street bikes. It wouldn't be premier class racing though.
There are only four good bikes on the grid, if Jlo had been on a tech3 for his rookie year what would his results look like. Would he have even been able to take any wins on a sat bike in the dry. CS is another great example of what happens when they get equal machinery, if his LCR would have been a factory bike how many more wins could he have.povol' timestamp='1339766170' ='319290 said:
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whos talking about nasbike and close racing?i'm talking about getting rid of rider aids to let the talent shine through.
i'm a bit tired of my ideas solely taken as suggesting to dumb it down when in fact it would make it much more difficult because it brings back many of the skills which are now obsolete
also funny that you mention its not the solution if i don't like whos winning. i think my favorite rider does quite well at the moment but to be clear, if there is a doubt i have about his ability it would have to be throttle control.sadly it doesn't seem like i will ever know if he could ride this smooth without tc.
its funny that its just stoner fanboys reacting outraged to the suggestion to give back more control to the riders.
of all the riders, in my mind he'd gain the most.
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And you are not willing to comprehend that this is a developmental series. You do not unevolve. like someone else said, evolve or die. Hell, even Nascar went to fuel injection this year.
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I don't think it's about neutering the sport. Allowing the riders to be a greater percentage of what determines outcome is good. I would replace the word balls with the word talent. I don't think anyone racing at this level can seriously be called wusses. It has been pointed out ad nauseum that the riders themselves are champing at the bit to done with excessive electronic aids and the riders by all rights can be said to have the best perspective on what makes the sport great.
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i do understand that but as long as the development is completely irrelevant outside of racing it just doesn't make sense.
i'd be happy to see electric bikes or whatever but thats not happening in the next years ,so since the hp/liter game has reached its maximum why not start thinking about the sport
No development happens when there's no money to fund it. It's called being sustainable.
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Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati have all spent huge amounts of money during this economic climate. This is about taking from the haves, and giving to the have nots, to give the whiners of the world more entertainment. The big boys can sustain. I would rather have a 12 bike field of proper GP racebikes, than the junk that is running around the track today. Talking about wasting money, a CRT bike is considerably more expensive than a WSBK, yet performs on a lower level.
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Like Mick said "You can't always get what you want." Especially in this economy. As things stand next year could consist of three Hondas, four Yamahas and four ...... Ducatis. That may float your boat but not so much the tens of thousands of spectators who come to watch, to say nothing of the sponsors for both the teams and the broadcasters.
Re: the CRTs being slow - while they're not re-inventing the wheel - they are in fact creating a new hybrid and it will take time to sort them out. Rome.... and all that.
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yeah, and wsbks are evolutions of roadbikes that have been being tuned and modified for their entire production lifespan. The engineers at the factorys already have a bike to start working on everytime a new model comes out, they know what works and what doesnt and try and build on it from there, whereas the CRT machines have only been existance for a short time in comparison. Once they get some time and data under their belt, they too will be able to build upon what they already have.
