Grand Prix Commission decides on single tyre rule for 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 2 2008, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What's the possibility that we will see slower lap times than WSBK?
<span style="color:#FAFCFEWHAT IF THE 990s COME BACK?!

What's the possibility more fuel is on the way?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 2 2008, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you actually believe...that MotoGP would get some .... free tires like you do?
thats the dumbest .... i've ever heard

What are you talking saying?

Every dollar the manufacturer spends making good tires gives them zero extra exposure and zero extra benefit.

Why would they make unbelievable $5000 tires when they could make WSBK caliber tires for $500? Ezy can throw as many fits as he wants until he gets $5,000 dollar tires. At that price the spec manufacturer will pressure Ezy to reduce the size of the grid.

Free tires place extreme restrictions on grid size.

ESPECIALLY IF VIEWERSHIP DECLINES.

UH OH PREPARE FOR 10 MORE SEASONS OF FIXED RACING!!!!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 2 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> What are you talking saying?

Every dollar the manufacturer spends making good tires gives them zero extra exposure and zero extra benefit.

Why would they make unbelievable $5000 tires when they could make WSBK caliber tires for $500? Ezy can throw as many fits as he wants until he gets $5,000 dollar tires. At that price the spec manufacturer will pressure Ezy to reduce the size of the grid.

Free tires place extreme restrictions on grid size.

ESPECIALLY IF VIEWERSHIP DECLINES.

UH OH PREPARE FOR 10 MORE SEASONS OF FIXED RACING!!!!!!!!

you gotta be stupid....drunk...maybe stoned...something!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 2 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>:

UH OH PREPARE FOR 10 MORE SEASONS OF FIXED RACING!!!!!!!!
you off you nut if you think the likes of honda would be told to through a race by dorna fixed racing my arse !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 2 2008, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you off you nut if you think the likes of honda would be told to through a race by dorna fixed racing my arse !

What?!

All a manufacturer has to do is buy Rossi now that ratings are in the tank. Whoever, has Rossi gets the championship. The manufacturers love a guaranteed title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 2 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What?!

All a manufacturer has to do is buy Rossi now that ratings are in the tank. Whoever, has Rossi gets the championship. The manufacturers love a guaranteed title.
thats fine, im sure yamaha would love such an arrangement. cant see honda putting up with it though.

have you ever been to a foreign race lex ? when i went to spain there were far more pedrosa fans than rossi fans. its easy for the tv to make out its all yellow there, they just show the rossi grandstand.

all they need to do is buy rossi to be guarenteed the championship there are a thousand reasons why dorna could not pull that .... off and you know it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 2 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, I'm serious. I think free tires are a bad idea. If I were a team getting free tires I'd order the max and waste them all. If we have free tires and the teams do nothing to defray the expense, Dorna are going to have to limit the grid so the tire manufacturer doesn't go bankrupt. I guess limiting the grid isn't a big deal, the Japanese have already chased off all of the privateers. Ducati didn't help matters when they fired D'Antin.

It's only 40 tires a weekend...............for 20 riders..................for 18 rounds. That's only 14,400 tires. Plus another 5,000 or so for testing. Let's just say the spec manufacturer will only have to transport 20,000 tires around the globe over the course of 8 months. That sounds pretty cheap. If I were Michelin or Bridgestone, I would take some Pilot Sports or BT01s and slap a MotoGP sticker on them.

If teams want good stuff they need to tell Ezy they are willing to pay.
What does the tire manufacturer have now to earn other than a title at the end of the year? Which would happen regardless of who the rider will be. And so the marketing photo's, promo's etc will be the only real material thing they will have other than the pride of being the tire supplier. It is a shame that it has come to this. The one real remaining prototype compontent so to speak is now ousted.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 2 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What does the tire manufacturer have now to earn other than a title at the end of the year? Which would happen regardless of who the rider will be. And so the marketing photo's, promo's etc will be the only real material thing they will have other than the pride of being the tire supplier. It is a shame that it has come to this. The one real remaining prototype compontent so to speak is now ousted.

you're my boy and all Rock...but thats ....... stupid

The WHOLE bike is prototype brother!....... the tires

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 2 2008, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you're my boy and all Rock...but thats ....... stupid

The WHOLE bike is prototype brother!....... the tires
YEah they are to a point but I like the purist way I guess. The MOTOGP series always was the real top of the heap when I was little and used to find anything I could about it and really any type of roadracing. It just seems that with everything I have been reading from the wrenches and riders this and that from MCN, Crash.net etc ya know no one except a select few want this tire rule. Now the .... we all want doesn't make anyone even look or blink but so we still sit here and waste a shitload of hours talking about the sport which means were all crazy about GP, bikes, some like the riders ya know etc. Whatever it is you like the whole deal to me overall is getting a bit tarnished. .... it if the tires from a company dominated like that, it is the way of development. I for one don't want to see this turn into a WSBK type series cause it just isn't supposed even look like it a bit. IT is starting to in some ways. So ya know whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen I, we, whomever doesn't have to like it so whatever, .... it I just hope it is a fair plan however it unfolds really.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 2 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What's the possibility more fuel is on the way?

What are the odds that a spec tire will be even better than a tire produced in a competitive arena?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 2 2008, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are the odds that a spec tire will be even better than a tire produced in a competitive arena?
Well now that would depend on money cause to my knowledge people don't work for free.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 2 2008, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>YEah they are to a point but I like the purist way I guess. The MOTOGP series always was the real top of the heap when I was little and used to find anything I could about it and really any type of roadracing. It just seems that with everything I have been reading from the wrenches and riders this and that from MCN, Crash.net etc ya know no one except a select few want this tire rule. Now the .... we all want doesn't make anyone even look or blink but so we still sit here and waste a shitload of hours talking about the sport which means were all crazy about GP, bikes, some like the riders ya know etc. Whatever it is you like the whole deal to me overall is getting a bit tarnished. .... it if the tires from a company dominated like that, it is the way of development. I for one don't want to see this turn into a WSBK type series cause it just isn't supposed even look like it a bit. IT is starting to in some ways. So ya know whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen I, we, whomever doesn't have to like it so whatever, .... it I just hope it is a fair plan however it unfolds really.

it's Moto GP Rock...<u>Motorcycle</u> Grand Prix....not MotorcycleTIREtest Gran Prix....get over it...
Tires are not the stars of the show....never have...never should have...never will NOW....They could hand out ....... BMX tires far as i care....


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 2 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are the odds that a spec tire will be even better than a tire produced in a competitive arena?


by the way...i don't like MY/OUR SPORT and RIDERS to be a tire companies ....... ginny pig...

there's a reason all tire companies have R&D dept...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 2 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's Moto GP Rock...<u>Motorcycle</u> Grand Prix....not MotorcycleTIREtest Gran Prix....get over it...
Tires are not the stars of the show....never have...never should have...never will NOW....They could hand out ....... BMX tires far as i care....
Your right dude but it is still part of the game. .... the highest level of MOTORCYCLE racing has to have decent tires to get the full potential out of the bike. I just don't like it. If the racing is good and fair next year that will be the deciding factor for me so I must wait. I want close as hell racing just like you do curve. I just think that there is .... going on that we won't ever know unless someone blows the whistle. I could be wrong to but I read up on all of this as soon as I can find an article or what ever. I have even talked to some people that are REAL racers and so I think I would believe them more than everyone on this site put together.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 2 2008, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are the odds that a spec tire will be even better than a tire produced in a competitive arena?

0%

I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with free tires. It means the spec tire manufacturer has strong incentive to keep the grid small.

As ROCKGOD pointed out, whoever stars in the championship ads will have a profound effect on their bottom line

Dear God, I hadn't given the championship ads much thought. ROCKGOD is right. The spec tire manufacturer will have a vested interest in having a big market rider win.

Stacy is screwed.

Is anyone buying my theory that the governing body is forcing manufacturers to keep satellite teams on current equipment. Especially now that we have a control tire and factories will certainly want to put the satellite teams on crap to protect the factory sponsor?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 2 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>0%

I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with free tires. It means the spec tire manufacturer has strong incentive to keep the grid small.

As ROCKGOD pointed out, whoever stars in the championship ads will have a profound effect on their bottom line

Dear God, I hadn't given the championship ads much thought. ROCKGOD is right. The spec tire manufacturer will have a vested interest in having a big market rider win.

Stacy is screwed.

Is anyone buying my theory that the governing body is forcing manufacturers to keep satellite teams on current equipment. Especially now that we have a control tire and factories will certainly want to put the satellite teams on crap to protect the factory sponsor?
Case in point. Go look at your most recent motorcycle mags. Look at the ads that put Valentino in them but doesn't use or even endorse their products. One is even with ant west and Rossi. Like that ever happens in a race. Then their are the ads who Rossi is affiliated with. Look at the current yamaha ad where he kisses the corkscrew in a full 2 page spread. That wasn't the win for the WC where you say we are the champs, It may have been his first at Laguna but you never see that for any other rider even Stoner. So go look and be objective when you page through the mags.

Ok, for the record: I don't think Rossi's title was fix or rigged. That is crazy! Like some have said, other riders and manufactures wouldn't stand for it.

But I will say things are skewed in favor of certain riders giving them the benefit of the doubt. And this goes a long way.

But to be fair to Rossi, he didn't cause Stoner crashing, anymore than Hayden caused Rossi to crash in Valencia. They did it on their own, regardless of pressure, tires etc. Therefore the victor emerged the champion. In 2008, the better man was Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 2 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the better man was Rossi.
ive waited 2 years to hear you say that, i can rest now

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 2 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are the odds that a spec tire will be even better than a tire produced in a competitive arena?

The MotoGP arena is competitive enough for tire developers to get plenty of information on how their prototypes behave under the most severe competitive conditions, on different bikes. So they will not be lacking the data to advance the technology even under a control tire rule...

One may concede that there would be less motivation to push the development hard, but where's the problem? You'll have technological advances inevitably and all the same, just maybe coming slower--is that a problem? I would rather call it safer

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 2 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The MotoGP arena is competitive enough for tire developers to get plenty of information on how their prototypes behave under the most severe competitive conditions, on different bikes. So they will not be lacking the data to advance the technology even under a control tire rule...

One may concede that there would be less motivation to push the development hard, but where's the problem? You'll have technological advances inevitably and all the same, just maybe coming slower--is that a problem? I would rather call it safer
very impressive that a tyre company (providing they bid) like bridgestone could not manage to supply 1 more bike yet 1 season later they to keep the same standards as now will be doubling there operation. fanfuckingtastic..

If you rememeber well, last year some pious souls here became scandalized, cause they were buying the story that Rossi had "imposed' his will on a supposedly reluctant Bridgestone, obliging them to supply him... ( ) Bridgestone even complained in public that they did not have the "capacity" to supply more riders ( )

I said back then that it was alla BS... The same company was (and is) already supplying the whole F1 grid Omg, even Pirelli could have that 'capacity'...