Grand Prix Commission decides on single tyre rule for 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 14 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>People make scams on anything that happens, this does not forgo its existence. Do you eBay? Are you aware that there are many scams there? Does this mean eBay doesn't exist? Does it mean that the scam artist made eBay?

The truth is Global Warming/Climate Change exists. The truth is our current administration did suppress scientific findings of its existence because it was unfavorable to their agenda favoring executive cronies in oil companies, energy industry, and car companies, ect. They also denied it existed, until so much overwhelming independent findings proved there is in fact a climate problem. Are these scientist the scam artists or the people rushing to make pseudo business to scam you from money? Are those reporting its existence the “scam artists” or those who suppressed it to scam you and me from billions of profiteering with energy policy that stands to make the problem worse? Who are the “scam artists”?--Those suppressing a fact to profit, or those reporting the fact and making a profit? Obviously both, those that suppressed the truth are more egregious.
A bold statement (in more ways than one ).

This "truth" is not proven and here is one (of many) detailed attempt to show why it is not, including links to factual data rather than provocative breast beating.

LINK

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 14 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>People make scams on anything that happens, this does not forgo its existence. Do you eBay? Are you aware that there are many scams there? Does this mean eBay doesn't exist? Does it mean that the scam artist made eBay?

The truth is Global Warming/Climate Change exists. The truth is our current administration did suppress scientific findings of its existence because it was unfavorable to their agenda favoring executive cronies in oil companies, energy industry, and car companies, ect. They also denied it existed, until so much overwhelming independent findings proved there is in fact a climate problem. Are these scientist the scam artists or the people rushing to make pseudo business to scam you from money? Are those reporting its existence the “scam artists” or those who suppressed it to scam you and me from billions of profiteering with energy policy that stands to make the problem worse? Who are the “scam artists”?--Those suppressing a fact to profit, or those reporting the fact and making a profit? Obviously both, those that suppressed the truth are more egregious.


Jumkie,dont fall into the trap.Of course there is climate change,its as natural as taking a piss and has been going on for hundreds of millions of years.Whats not real is the fear mongering that is telling you that the earth is going to get to hot to exist on.Of course the earth was getting warmer,we were coming out of an ice age,it had to get warmer.Now it appears to be on a cooling cycle and it comes at the worst possible time for the asbestos salesman.Even the tag line has changed.2 years ago,it was global warming,now its climate change.Did you notice how smoothly they transitioned the masses on that. The next FACT about the crisis and the end of time will be the first.Its all theory and there is as many scientest that bebunk the so called facts, as ones that made it up.The only facts, show that the earth has been cooling and warming since the beginning of time.Last year the earth cooled as much as it had warmed in the past 100 years.Thats what you need to keep an eye on,If we are around for the next ice age,thats when things will get uninhabitable.It will be interesting to see what the fear mongers blame it on to try and suck money from the masses.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 14 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(sarcasm) Yeah, Global Warming/Climate Change is fake. (sarcasm)

You see why we are ...... in the US, because we got people like this with a voting ballot. I wish there was an IQ test and minimum education requirement to vote.

There is a difference between saying people profit from a crisis than saying the crisis doesn't exist because people are making profit from it. Take for example the Iraq war, something you surely support since it sound like you carry on as a Republican. This has been by far the most war profiteering enterprise in history. Does this mean the war on terror is "fake"? No, but the call to go to war in Iraq was a 'farce'. That is different, can you see? (Probably not).

So sure. people are designing scams to make money on the Climate Change crisis, but this doesn't mean its a "fake" crisis.

I wouldn't expect you to know the difference, people like you believe whatever lie your party tells you to repeat.
Why don't you just go ahead and change your name to dumshit or moron. That would be more appropriate. The thing you missed dumshit is that the WHOLE global warming thing has been studied for all of about 100 to 200 years IF we are lucky. How long has the earth been a spinnin. I would bet a .... load longer than that. So you base you info off of what your spoonfed by your messiah furher whatever you prefer dumbshit. If you had some sence you would get out of you stupid liberal mindset and realize your country for both of us is being hijacked by both parties. The war is ........ but guess what dumbshit we are in it so here we need to finish what we started. But I bet you don't know a single person in the military. If you did they are all cooks I bet or photographers who are concience objectors like the ... ... ..... you are dumbshit. All joking aside Jumkie get a clue and stop cause you sound really unitelligent but I would say those who are stupid I would bet think your a ...... genius. Give me your address and I will mail you some money cause you obviously need some money to go and buy a clue.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 14 2008, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why don't you just go ahead and change your name to dumshit or moron. That would be more appropriate. The thing you missed dumshit is that the WHOLE global warming thing has been studied for all of about 100 to 200 years IF we are lucky. How long has the earth been a spinnin. I would bet a .... load longer than that. So you base you info off of what your spoonfed by your messiah furher whatever you prefer dumbshit. If you had some sence you would get out of you stupid liberal mindset and realize your country for both of us is being hijacked by both parties. The war is ........ but guess what dumbshit we are in it so here we need to finish what we started. But I bet you don't know a single person in the military. If you did they are all cooks I bet or photographers who are concience objectors like the ... ... ..... you are dumbshit. All joking aside Jumkie get a clue and stop cause you sound really unitelligent but I would say those who are stupid I would bet think your a ...... genius. Give me your address and I will mail you some money cause you obviously need some money to go and buy a clue.



C'mon, Rock.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 14 2008, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just wait until you read about the new diesel.

It is chemically the same as pure diesel now it's grown with yeast so it has no impurities and gives of very little carbon compared to the refined stuff.

Plus it much more energy dense than ethanol.

The airline industry needs such a product. I don't want to see diesel motogp bikes though I'll stick to ethanol it is over 110 octane and so you could pop the compression ratio into the diesel range which would have crazy explosive concequences.

Back to the political discussion...in the US anyway. Here in Canada we have returned the incumbent party to power and shut the .... door on the green guys hardcore. ......... All .........

Gotta agree with RG on this (minus the excessive profanity & hate, of course). Check out Michael Crichton's novel "State of Fear" for a primer. When I was in grade school, back in the stone age (70s) the big fear was the next ice age... every 10 to 25 years they have to change the threat to keep the sheep in line.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 15 2008, 08:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, what's the first rule of statistics?

1. Correlation does not mean causation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Both sides have legitimate arguments. Green people say that carbon emissions and global warming have a strong statistical correlation in the last 20 years. They have exhausted themselves trying to find another climate input that could be responsible for the rise; none have been found.

Correlation does not imply causation. Well done Lex, "Com hoc propter ergo hoc" for the Latin aficionado’s among us.

This cool old Russian cosmologist Habibullo Abdussamatov discovered that glacial melts on Mars and Earth were happening at the same rate.

Man is not on Mars (apart from a couple of remote control cars doing circle work while some dorky scientists giggles with the joystick) so why would the planet warm up?

Isolating a common cause like the sun (solar patterns) is far more empirically valid than tending towards anthropocentric views of all change on earth. Blaming people is fun; we do use it for political purposes. The expression "political science" (like "funrun") is an oxymoron.

I’ll tell you a quick story that I got told in my first research lecture at Uni many eons ago.

There is a town that bans ice cream because it causes drowning. For each drowning death per month the ice cream sales increase by an identified and uniform rate, therefore ice cream causes drowning – perfect correlation right?

What actually happens is that the sun causes people to swim and eat ice cream and the scientifically valid scenario is that despite overwhelming correlation between ice crime and drowning it’s the sun that causes it.

Just like Global warming, it’s as scientifically valid as ice cream causing drowning or even ice cream causing global warming. A mathematical relationship is meaningless in the face of evidence contrary to the correlation inference.

A whole world is sold on this and to me that reek of the same kind of blind fanaticism possessed by David Koresh, suicide bombers and religious doorknockers in general.

Global warming has become the new imaginary enemy. And its all caused by ice cream…

Interesting read...

I have to bring this back to the single tyre.... Well,...I heard Ezy likes Ice Cream (Facist!)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Oct 15 2008, 03:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie,dont fall into the trap.Of course there is climate change,its as natural as taking a piss and has been going on for hundreds of millions of years.Whats not real is the fear mongering that is telling you that the earth is going to get to hot to exist on.Of course the earth was getting warmer,we were coming out of an ice age,it had to get warmer.Now it appears to be on a cooling cycle and it comes at the worst possible time for the asbestos salesman.Even the tag line has changed.2 years ago,it was global warming,now its climate change.Did you notice how smoothly they transitioned the masses on that. The next FACT about the crisis and the end of time will be the first.Its all theory and there is as many scientest that bebunk the so called facts, as ones that made it up.The only facts, show that the earth has been cooling and warming since the beginning of time.Last year the earth cooled as much as it had warmed in the past 100 years.Thats what you need to keep an eye on,If we are around for the next ice age,thats when things will get uninhabitable.It will be interesting to see what the fear mongers blame it on to try and suck money from the masses.

Let me first say I'm a sceptic, but you are making loads of asumptions here and undniable facts are avoided.

1. Where's that colling thing comming from? Glaciers are melting in record time and the ice around the northpole disaperaing rapidly. This year not as bad as last years but the trend is overwhelmingly clear. Where's your numbers on cooling comming from?
2. There is a 1:100 in those sceintists that argue against a serious climate change and global warming.
Add to that, many of those have
a. very questionable funding, typically from oil companies
b. more than very questionable knowledge and degres regarding the eco system. But they are good at presenting their beliefs.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 15 2008, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let me first say I'm a sceptic, but you are making loads of asumptions here and undniable facts are avoided.

1. Where's that colling thing comming from? Glaciers are melting in record time and the ice around the northpole disaperaing rapidly. This year not as bad as last years but the trend is overwhelmingly clear. Where's your numbers on cooling comming from?
2. There is a 1:100 in those sceintists that argue against a serious climate change and global warming.
Add to that, many of those have
a. very questionable funding, typically from oil companies
b. more than very questionable knowledge and degres regarding the eco system. But they are good at presenting their beliefs.

Don't get too hung up on the funding from the anti-global warming crowd. The global warming crowd is funded by people looking to capture 10% of the global energy market.

People who are attempting to capture several trillion dollars in revenue aren't prone to telling the truth either.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 15 2008, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let me first say I'm a sceptic, but you are making loads of asumptions here and undniable facts are avoided.

1. Where's that colling thing comming from? Glaciers are melting in record time and the ice around the northpole disaperaing rapidly. This year not as bad as last years but the trend is overwhelmingly clear. Where's your numbers on cooling comming from?
2. There is a 1:100 in those sceintists that argue against a serious climate change and global warming.
Add to that, many of those have
a. very questionable funding, typically from oil companies
b. more than very questionable knowledge and degres regarding the eco system. But they are good at presenting their beliefs.




Read it all,its very interesting


http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...fe-9e32747616f9

All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it's the single fastest temperature change every recorded, either up or down. […] Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on. No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

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Here is a bit from an interview of Troy Bayliss on Superbikeplanet.com, his take on the Single tire rule......

"... I could see it happening. It was always going to happen. But it's true it's strange, because MotoGP is like - actually, I think it'll be good in the end. It will stop a lot of whinging and bitching and teams changing halfway through the year. Like, "He only won because he was on these," and blah, blah, blah. Okay, put them all on the same tire and let's see."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Oct 15 2008, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here is a bit from an interview of Troy Bayliss on Superbikeplanet.com, his take on the Single tire rule......

"... I could see it happening. It was always going to happen. But it's true it's strange, because MotoGP is like - actually, I think it'll be good in the end. It will stop a lot of whinging and bitching and teams changing halfway through the year. Like, "He only won because he was on these," and blah, blah, blah. Okay, put them all on the same tire and let's see."

Yeah . . . well, people are always going to ..... and moan about some piece of equipment, be it electronics or more up-to-date this or that, or bigger budgets. But reading your post made me
think about how folks are always whining about how a control tire rule will cause a decrease in
tire technology - that can be incorporated in street legal tires. But if you think about it - whatever
improvements are made by Bridgestone for a all-purpose/compromise, control tire - to be used for all the different bike manufacturers - and not specifically for one bike or one manufacturer - will likely be more readily transferable to street tires - which are also made to be used on bikes from all the manufacturers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 15 2008, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gotta agree with RG on this (minus the excessive profanity & hate, of course). Check out Michael Crichton's novel "State of Fear" for a primer. When I was in grade school, back in the stone age (70s) the big fear was the next ice age... every 10 to 25 years they have to change the threat to keep the sheep in line.
Thanks dude but I don't hate. I never said I do. It is the reality of things when people don't want to acknowledge them for fear or greed that trips my trigger. We need unbiased sources to really understand what is going on cause it is to muddied these days. The pollution in the world is great and needs to stop and can since we have made great strides in technology. We just need to have people that want to impliment the plans instead of pork barrelling these things to death so nothing ever gets done except some ....... getting rich.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 15 2008, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

C'mon, Rock.
Where you wanna go? LOL

Im still confused

Is it a "Single Tire" rule or a "Control Tire" rule. Those two are or could be far different IMO.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 15 2008, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im still confused

Is it a "Single Tire" rule or a "Control Tire" rule. Those two are or could be far different IMO.

We're all confused. The final details haven't even been hammered out yet.

What are the odds the control/single-supplier program is run how it's written in the rule book?

I'm giving 100:1, any takers.

From the way the head cheese at Bridgestone was talking it is a spec tire.Im assuming that was what he meant when he said some would suffer more than others.Or,he was saying that only a couple od riders were going to get the personal treatment and everyone else gets a spec tire.Kind of like Michelin did for years.If it has to be this way,im hoping its just a spec tire and to avoid any conspiracy theories,have a drawing on which stack of tires you get for the weekend.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Oct 15 2008, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Read it all,its very interesting


http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...fe-9e32747616f9

All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it's the single fastest temperature change every recorded, either up or down. […] Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on. No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

As I said I'm a sceptic and just as I'm not going to fall down to my knees in front of Al .... I don't see any reason to behave differently here. Erase globale warming over the past 100 years you say? The graph I saw showed a steep drop ending at about the same level as another low 10 years ago. The temperatures can not be read a sigle samples they must be viewed in trend and that certainly doesn't show any cooling down. If anything, suggesting that is nothing but clutching a straw.

That said, I suspect that the media are dominated with news supporting global warming, and news like this are "forgotten" but I'm also affraid that the articles a little bit to much sensational and inaccurate just to grab the attention. As an example the winter temperatures are of little value without the summer temps as well. If they increase just as much as the winter temperatures are decreasing we still have a problem. Besides, local variation that look more extreeme is to be expected and only supports global warming.

I don't pretend to know the truth here but it seems too many have taken side and made up their mind about what's going on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 16 2008, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I said I'm a sceptic and just as I'm not going to fall down to my knees in front of Al .... I don't see any reason to behave differently here. Erase globale warming over the past 100 years you say? The graph I saw showed a steep drop ending at about the same level as another low 10 years ago. The temperatures can not be read a sigle samples they must be viewed in trend and that certainly doesn't show any cooling down. If anything, suggesting that is nothing but clutching a straw.

That said, I suspect that the media are dominated with news supporting global warming, and news like this are "forgotten" but I'm also affraid that the articles a little bit to much sensational and inaccurate just to grab the attention. As an example the winter temperatures are of little value without the summer temps as well. If they increase just as much as the winter temperatures are decreasing we still have a problem. Besides, local variation that look more extreeme is to be expected and only supports global warming.

I don't pretend to know the truth here but it seems too many have taken side and made up their mind about what's going on.

There is one stat that everyone agrees on,no matter what side your on.In the last 100 years,the temperature rose 1 degree,nobody denies that.One degree is nothing but 5 could be catastrophic.Lets watch and see if last year was an anomaly or if it cools 2 years in a row before you and i are forced into buying the right to breath.This whole carbon credit ........ is another name for a tax.Politicians know that the world hates that word so they have come up with a scam that will force people to pay a tax for breathing.Only this time,your taxes will be bought and sold on the stock market.I dont pretend to be a scientist but there are plenty of them out there that were spot on with their models about when the earth would reverse warming and start to cool because of the sun's activity.Was it a lucky guess,maybe,i doubt it.You have to look at the motivations of everybody involved to try and make sense of this.There will be trillions of dollars in grants for studies that the scientist will be putting their hand on and as we all know,a lot of people will sale their souls and beliefs when BIG money is involved. Those stats are for a whole year,so summer temps are included or are what you saying is we could be having harsher summers and winters at the same time.Possible,but not likely.One thing i know for sure, is this summer where i live has been mild compared to years past.