Grand Prix Commission decides on single tyre rule for 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 5 2008, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ezy controls the sport. Punishment for the attempted boycott will be swift. Goodbye Pedrosa/Puig.

I wonder who else is gonna get axed. Anyone who speaks out about the control tire? Anyone who gives a bad press conference? Anyone who complains about the rules?



How much you wanna bet factory riders who are slightly off of the pace are going to receive special dispensation so the races are fun to watch? Of course Vale will get the biggest dispensation.

I think this entire thing is part of the ... whooping he received from the Italian tax man. I would be surprised if he's not good with his money. He probably tried to squeeze more Dorna juice out of Ezy, Ezy gave him the Stones so he could rack up the 6 and 7 figure bonuses he gets from his sponsors.

He's been extra focused this year. More like his back taxes are too steep to allow leisure time. His championship celebration even alluded to the bureaucratic hell his life has become.

What an incredible imagination you have.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 5 2008, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ezy controls the sport. Punishment for the attempted boycott will be swift. Goodbye Pedrosa/Puig.

I wonder who else is gonna get axed. Anyone who speaks out about the control tire? Anyone who gives a bad press conference? Anyone who complains about the rules?



How much you wanna bet factory riders who are slightly off of the pace are going to receive special dispensation so the races are fun to watch? Of course Vale will get the biggest dispensation.

I think this entire thing is part of the ... whooping he received from the Italian tax man. I would be surprised if he's not good with his money. He probably tried to squeeze more Dorna juice out of Ezy, Ezy gave him the Stones so he could rack up the 6 and 7 figure bonuses he gets from his sponsors.

He's been extra focused this year. More like his back taxes are too steep to allow leisure time. His championship celebration even alluded to the bureaucratic hell his life has become.
your paranoid. reading your posts i sometimes wonder if you really like the sport at all. pretty much every one of your theories imply rossi wins through cheating/ or special treatment. you talk lots but prove .... all !!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 5 2008, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>your paranoid. reading your posts i sometimes wonder if you really like the sport at all. pretty much every one of your theories imply rossi wins through cheating/ or special treatment. you talk lots but prove .... all !!
A true conspiracy theorist at work

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 5 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>your paranoid. reading your posts i sometimes wonder if you really like the sport at all. pretty much every one of your theories imply rossi wins through cheating/ or special treatment. you talk lots but prove .... all !!

If you believe the press reports at the end of last year, nearly the entire tire crisis revolved around around Rossi being on the wrong tire brand (though it was never said explicitly). 3 months of meetings trying to reach a resolution and only 1 major change: Rossi to Bridgestone. I'm on your side. Conventional reporting seems to suggest that Ezy was willing to sacrifice the future of the sport to make sure Rossi got Bridgestones. Obviously, there was a lot more going on.

Your doing Rossi a great disservice by believing the conventional reporting. Do you really want everyone to believe that 3 months of emergency technical meetings were about whether or not he was on the right tires?

You'd do well to buy into the fact that Casey has been denied a fair defense. It is the lesser of two evils.

Hope you’re not in the police force as I pity the poor innocent bugger that you get hold of.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 6 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you believe the press reports at the end of last year, nearly the entire tire crisis revolved around around Rossi being on the wrong tire brand (though it was never said explicitly). 3 months of meetings trying to reach a resolution and only 1 major change: Rossi to Bridgestone. I'm on your side. Conventional reporting seems to suggest that Ezy was willing to sacrifice the future of the sport to make sure Rossi got Bridgestones. Obviously, there was a lot more going on.

Your doing Rossi a great disservice by believing the conventional reporting. Do you really want everyone to believe that 3 months of emergency technical meetings were about whether or not he was on the right tires?

You'd do well to buy into the fact that Casey has been denied a fair defense. It is the lesser of two evils.
as i remember it, the crisis as you call it revolved around the michilin tyres not lasting the race distance and the top 10 in any race except vale were all bridgestones. randy mamola used to get himself into parc ferme to look at vales knackered tyres and comment on "how the hell can he ride on those".

you bang on about "3 months" of meetings and ezy willing to "sacrifice the sport" to get rossi on bridgestones. wheres your proof ? this is know more than conjecture and the ravings of a mad man. you seem to think it was just rossi complaining about michilin tyres not being upto the standard required to compete. your thinly veiled attempt to discredit rossis occumplishment yet again shine's through like a bright beacon.
i suppose in yesterdays race nicky was ordered to slow down and let rossi catch him up and over take him

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 5 2008, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as i remember it, the crisis as you call it revolved around the michilin tyres not lasting the race distance and the top 10 in any race except vale were all bridgestones. randy mamola used to get himself into parc ferme to look at vales knackered tyres and comment on "how the hell can he ride on those".

you bang on about "3 months" of meetings and ezy willing to "sacrifice the sport" to get rossi on bridgestones. wheres your proof ? this is know more than conjecture and the ravings of a mad man. you seem to think it was just rossi complaining about michilin tyres not being upto the standard required to compete. your thinly veiled attempt to discredit rossis occumplishment yet again shine's through like a bright beacon.
i suppose in yesterdays race nicky was ordered to slow down and let rossi catch him up and over take him

Why do you highlight everything but the conditional that I open the post with. "If you believe the conventional reporting".

The part about the technical meetings over the course of 3 months is well documented. The meetings happened unless you believe their is a conspiracy by DORNA to make it looks as though there was a tire crisis when in fact there wasn't.

What changed as a result of the meetings?

1. Rossi to Bridgestone
2. A few more tires per weekend, selections are made on Fridays
3. Tech 3 get Michelin

The only major change proposed by the technical committee was Rossi to Bridgestone. If you believe the conventional reporting, Ezy was willing to threaten Bridgestone with a Michelin control tire to make it happen.

If anything my conspiracy is in your favor b/c I've said that DORNA were actually out to control tire performance and they were testing a 2 manufacturer spec tire. I've also said that Ezy has been pushing for a 1 tire supplier and Yamaha need a year to test so all of their bikes are ready for the change.

Both mitigate the damage done to Rossi's reputation at the end of last season. I'm doing you a favor for god's sake.

If I ran Michelin I wouldn't submit a proposal either screw them all. A disaster is coming and they know it. Instead of riding on custom built tires chosen for each rider/bike combination they get half the amount of tires and they will "just have to adapt"? ......' hell... makes me want to cry. It's like putting shoes from Walmart on a princess.

I'm sort of happy about this.

No more "his tyres are better than mine" crap.

Factories can finally build their bikes around one tire, and not adversely affect their customer team (look how stable Vale's bike is compared to the Mich yams, especially the Tech3's).

Teams suiting themselves to the tyres, rather than the tyres suiting themselves to the team. No more special compounds for Ducati, or Yamaha etc.

Should be closer racing because it worked in WSB.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Oct 6 2008, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sort of happy about this.

No more "his tyres are better than mine" crap.

Factories can finally build their bikes around one tire, and not adversely affect their customer team (look how stable Vale's bike is compared to the Mich yams, especially the Tech3's).

Teams suiting themselves to the tyres, rather than the tyres suiting themselves to the team. No more special compounds for Ducati, or Yamaha etc.

Should be closer racing because it worked in WSB.
you want a bet ?
there will be loads of moaning that some teams are getting better tyre ect. its a single make were going to not a control tyre mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 6 2008, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> you want a bet ?
there will be loads of moaning that some teams are getting better tyre ect. its a single make were going to not a control tyre mate.

I wouldn't speak so soon, as its not been announced yet the details of the "single tire manufacturer". If you know something we don't (read something somewhere) in regards to if it will be single make vs control/spec tire, I would love to read about it. Otherwise, it's just hearsay. I sincerely hope it is a control/spec tire and the way tires are handed out is done fairly (random lot, all pulled from the same pile, etc) so there will be no room for conspiracy theorists come time next year.

I am sad to see Michelin go from a technical standpoint, but I hope, if the control tire is done properly, that the competition is better and likewise the entertainment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Oct 6 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't speak so soon, as its not been announced yet the details of the "single tire manufacturer". If you know something we don't (read something somewhere) in regards to if it will be single make vs control/spec tire, I would love to read about it. Otherwise, it's just hearsay. I sincerely hope it is a control/spec tire and the way tires are handed out is done fairly (random lot, all pulled from the same pile, etc) so there will be no room for conspiracy theorists come time next year.

I am sad to see Michelin go from a technical standpoint, but I hope, if the control tire is done properly, that the competition is better and likewise the entertainment.

You and several others on this board are dreaming in technocolour...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Oct 6 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't speak so soon, as its not been announced yet the details of the "single tire manufacturer". If you know something we don't (read something somewhere) in regards to if it will be single make vs control/spec tire, I would love to read about it. Otherwise, it's just hearsay. I sincerely hope it is a control/spec tire and the way tires are handed out is done fairly (random lot, all pulled from the same pile, etc) so there will be no room for conspiracy theorists come time next year.

I am sad to see Michelin go from a technical standpoint, but I hope, if the control tire is done properly, that the competition is better and likewise the entertainment.
im sure i heard ezy say its a single make not control tyre that was voted in principle aired by the bbc at motegi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Oct 6 2008, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't speak so soon, as its not been announced yet the details of the "single tire manufacturer". If you know something we don't (read something somewhere) in regards to if it will be single make vs control/spec tire, I would love to read about it. Otherwise, it's just hearsay. I sincerely hope it is a control/spec tire and the way tires are handed out is done fairly (random lot, all pulled from the same pile, etc) so there will be no room for conspiracy theorists come time next year.

I am sad to see Michelin go from a technical standpoint, but I hope, if the control tire is done properly, that the competition is better and likewise the entertainment.

I hope the single tire is a control tire, but all preliminary indications suggest otherwise. According to DORNA and Bridgestone the single tire manufacturer (probably Bridgestone) will be responsible for developing tires for everyone. They have already said Pedrosa is screwed and Elias as well.

Bridgestone are only going to develop tires for the people who help them market.

Rossi, Hayden, Stoner, Lorenzo

3 world champions from major markets and a popular Spaniard whose manager doesn't attempt boycotts.

Honda may have enough "pull" (under the table $$$$$$) to get stuff for Pedrosa and Dovi, but everyone else is screwed.

If everything goes according to plan the 3 major manufacturers will be sparring heavily for wins. The also-rans will be mugging one another in the background.

It will be entertaining, whether or not it will be MotoGP remains to be seen.

In the Spanish broadcast of the race, the announcers strongly suggested it would be a CONTROL tire.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 6 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If I ran Michelin I wouldn't submit a proposal either screw them all. A disaster is coming and they know it. Instead of riding on custom built tires chosen for each rider/bike combination they get half the amount of tires and they will "just have to adapt"? ......' hell... makes me want to cry. It's like putting shoes from Walmart on a princess.
YEah that is some really sad news to have to accept. The SERIES is now really not a prototype series. No matter what the whole kit and kaboodle is not going to be as exciting as WSBK and they are on a spec tire. It was the allure of who gets it right this week. Like in football either American or British who shows up to play lights out usually wins. SO some teams don't and they usually lose. So now comes the new season with the spec tire. Ohhhhh boy!!!! Well Rossi is going to have ALOT to say about the dev of the tires and you know he will get what he wants. People that don't believe this have no clue about how business is run.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 7 2008, 01:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Rossi is going to have ALOT to say about the dev of the tires and you know he will get what he wants.

It remains to be seen what kind of tires they get but IF Rossi get to say his opininon I'm sure Stoner, Predrosa and Lorenzo will too. If so it must be reasuring for you to know that Rossi and Stoner often use the same tires and are looking for the same things in a tire. This could actually end up as a real draw back for Pedrosa, unless HE gets to decide. That's something you really don't want to happen.
On the other hand, if they are serious about the safety aspect there should be made some desitions on how to reduce side grip. Personally I would love if they came up with groved tires, but that won't happen unless SBK does the same. That would create som real benefit for the sporty road tires.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>People that don't believe this have no clue about how business is run.

Well, I'll agree to that most here don't have a clue as they didn't even seem to have the slightest idea about how a control tire system are managed. On the other hand, you seem to think that the world are run entirely by unofficial backroom talks and that's both unknowledgable and sad.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 6 2008, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bridgestone are only going to develop tires for the people who help them market.

Rossi, Hayden, Stoner, Lorenzo

Is'nt that the way its always been then? Home race = top rubber, job done and good PR.

What is it about a control tire or a one supplier that is going to screw Pedrosa any more than the other riders.Where his tires that much different than what everyone else was running.

I don't think a control tyre will be too problematic. Most of the Bridgestone runners conform to the same tyre contruction and profile anyway and now it'll be the same for everyone. The optimum size, weight and riding style might be altered, but that is a possibility with any technical regulation so its not a major drama.