Grand Prix Commission decides on single tyre rule for 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 2 2008, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you rememeber well, last year some pious souls here became scandalized, cause they were buying the story that Rossi had "imposed' his will on a supposedly reluctant Bridgestone, obliging them to supply him... ( ) Bridgestone even complained in public that they did not have the "capacity" to supply more riders ( )

I said back then that it was alla BS... The same company was (and is) already supplying the whole F1 grid Omg, even Pirelli could have that 'capacity'...
i remember you being like me thinking that was pr bollocks
if theres any conspiresy its dorna rossi bridgestone staged the whole "we cant supply him" stunt to get bridgstone as a control tyre. its win win win, rossi gets them a year earlier than anyone else (sept dani, thats another story) bridgstone get the motogp contract to be sole supplier and dorna get a larger audience due to closer racing (hopefully) dorna may have even asked rossi if he wanted them and he would have to be in on this pr advertising stunt to get them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 2 2008, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you rememeber well, last year some pious souls here became scandalized, cause they were buying the story that Rossi had "imposed' his will on a supposedly reluctant Bridgestone, obliging them to supply him... ( ) Bridgestone even complained in public that they did not have the "capacity" to supply more riders ( )

I said back then that it was alla BS... The same company was (and is) already supplying the whole F1 grid Omg, even Pirelli could have that 'capacity'...
As I remember, the pious sole was Rossi, of course only in your mind. Ah, how we love to reinvent and rewrite history.

Hey, maybe all that tire drama was just imagined.

I hav'nt been reading this thread so I don't know if this has been posted


Top three comment on single tyre rule
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/MotoGP+...ingle+tyre+rule

Stoner is real real cautious????

Doesn't want to say the words "tyre choice out loud".

Look, I'm having a couple of beers at a BBQ at the moment and I just slipped in to check results and watch FP2 (Look at Dovi go!!!!).

I wrote a quick poem so I could prove I'm 1/2 drunk and so I could be ridiculed for it as well.

Here it goes.

Choice is choosing so I chose
Michelin I suppose
Ezy, is he feeling dizzy
From all the Bridgestone prezzies

Tyre war averted
Vale ‘stoned’ and skirted
The champion I warn ya’
Is the favourite of Dorna

Is racing true and does it have a voice?
Was it Ducati and Michelin’s choice.
But gagged and gutted Europe stays
Because Ezy knows which cash cows pay.



I await your derision.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Oct 3 2008, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is real real cautious????

Doesn't want to say the words "tyre choice out loud".

Look, I'm having a couple of beers at a BBQ at the moment and I just slipped in to check results and watch FP2 (Look at Dovi go!!!!).

I wrote a quick poem so I could prove I'm 1/2 drunk and so I could be ridiculed for it as well.

Here it goes.

Choice is choosing so I chose
Michelin I suppose
Ezy, is he feeling dizzy
From all the Bridgestone prezzies

Tyre war averted
Vale ‘stoned’ and skirted
The champion I warn ya’
Is the favourite of Dorna

Is racing true and does it have a voice?
Was it Ducati and Michelin’s choice.
But gagged and gutted Europe stays
Because Ezy knows which cash cows pay.



I await your derision.


Not bad, it sounds better when I do it in my best mongrel drunken Auzzie accent

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 3 2008, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I remember, the pious sole was Rossi, of course only in your mind. Ah, how we love to reinvent and rewrite history.

Hey, maybe all that tire drama was just imagined.

Invent------
This forum has archives I think... Just read back...

Apparently according to crashnet and others michelin are saying they won't bid and will redeploy the resources formerly used for racing to research and development by other means.

Also some talk on other sites that there will be a single manufacturer rather than a control tyre, whch sounds like the worst of all possible worlds to me, unless ezy plans to submit gracefully to universal calls for a control tyre.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 4 2008, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also some talk on other sites that there will be a single manufacturer rather than a control tyre, whch sounds like the worst of all possible worlds to me, unless ezy plans to submit gracefully to universal calls for a control tyre.

like you said, the worst possible outcome of all..



i am actually feeling a bit sorry for michelin right now. they have not delivered a good tyre for the riders as often as they should, but this treatment by dorna is diabolical.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 4 2008, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>like you said, the worst possible outcome of all..



i am actually feeling a bit sorry for michelin right now. they have not delivered a good tyre for the riders as often as they should, but this treatment by dorna is diabolical.

Nope...wrong....

Michelin had rules which allow it make special tyres for each race and each rider overnight for many years....once the tyre rules came in to force and riders had to choose in advance their rubber Michelin riders suffered....while Bridgestone riders which did not have the luxury of having their tyre made over night and shipped anywhere in Europe (where most of the racing takes place) where already used to making the best of limited choices...which meant Bridgestone had to make sure their tyres could work on many many differing kinds of tracks....Michelin on the other had shot themselves in the foot since they focused on the 1 track at a time for each rider (certain riders)....

This is the difference between Bridgestone thinking strategically and Michelin thinking tactically to win titles....Guess which kind of thinking wins in the long run!

Source: http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2008/10/...osal_for_s.html


Michelin has just announced that they will not be submitting a proposal to Dorna and the FIM for the contract to supply tires as the single tire manufacturer. This means that Bridgestone will be the sole supplier of tires for MotoGP in 2009, as heavily predicted, and as favored by most of the riders.

More details as they emerge.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 4 2008, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Source: http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2008/10/...osal_for_s.html


Michelin has just announced that they will not be submitting a proposal to Dorna and the FIM for the contract to supply tires as the single tire manufacturer. This means that Bridgestone will be the sole supplier of tires for MotoGP in 2009, as heavily predicted, and as favored by most of the riders.

More details as they emerge.

Garry

Dunlop might have put in a bid as well...since they supply most of the small class riders and so are by default the biggest tyre suppier in GPs....and it would certain make the field much more level straight from day 1 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Oct 4 2008, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nope...wrong....

Michelin had rules which allow it make special tyres for each race and each rider overnight for many years....once the tyre rules came in to force and riders had to choose in advance their rubber Michelin riders suffered....while Bridgestone riders which did not have the luxury of having their tyre made over night and shipped anywhere in Europe (where most of the racing takes place) where already used to making the best of limited choices...which meant Bridgestone had to make sure their tyres could work on many many differing kinds of tracks....Michelin on the other had shot themselves in the foot since they focused on the 1 track at a time for each rider (certain riders)....

This is the difference between Bridgestone thinking strategically and Michelin thinking tactically to win titles....Guess which kind of thinking wins in the long run!
I have no problem at all with bridgestone, and was very happy they provided ducati with the tyres that may have made the difference in 2007.

However, it could be argued that they managed to get the tyre rules changed in their favour, although as has been said elsewhere michelin's financial travails may have as much or more to do with their admittedly poor performance in 2007/2008.

My argument, perhaps related to becoming a traditionalist with advancing age, is that it is a shame to shaft a major company with such a long-term record of involvement in the sport. Dorna/ezy are businessmen; what happens in a few years time when valentino eventually retires and there is no-one with his charisma or talent to carry the sport? Ezy will probably have retired to enjoy his trust fund, and dorna may decide to switch to venezuelan oil or something of that ilk; will michelin or movistar pons or whoever be lining up to rejoin the sport?

Can't bother readng 7 pages so I'm sorry if it's already been said. <span style="font-family:Arial BlackBridgestone will be the official supplier next season.

If its not a spec tire,this will get ugly.The insinuations will fly early and often of a Japanese tire company making special tires for a Japanese bike manufacturer and the cash cow that rides it.If it is a spec tire,do they make the spec tire with sidewalls that Rossi prefers or do they go somewhere in between.There is a lot of questions even a one tire or spec tire open up

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 2 2008, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you rememeber well, last year some pious souls here became scandalized, cause they were buying the story that Rossi had "imposed' his will on a supposedly reluctant Bridgestone, obliging them to supply him... ( ) Bridgestone even complained in public that they did not have the "capacity" to supply more riders ( )

I said back then that it was alla BS... The same company was (and is) already supplying the whole F1 grid Omg, even Pirelli could have that 'capacity'...

Jarno, these companies have budgets. Bridgestone could probably supply every team in MotoGP with 100,000 tires if they wanted to, but they have budgetary restraints on R&D and advertising.

Bridgestone decided going into the 2007 season they were going to supply 10 bikes in a bid to win there first championship. 2 Kawis, 4 Ducatis, 2 Suzukis, and they went out and got 2 Hondas from Gresini to hedge their bets.

Why wouldn't they let Yamaha join? It was the only manufacturer they didn't currently supply. Besides the fact they didn't want to have to expand operations for another rider, they certainly didn't want to hire another team of techs to spearhead Yamaha development.

If Bridgestone was already supplying other Yams it probably wouldn't have been a big deal.

BTW has anyone heard that the new rule isn't going to be a control tire? Ezy has said development will continue for each manufacturer involved. Almost every aspect of motorcycle performance is governed by tire performance. Ezy, has more or less got control of the sport at this point. If the racing is close next season it's b/c he's engineered it that way.

The last frontier of development is top speed. Ducati have a current advantage but it won't be long before he seeks to eliminate it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Oct 4 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't bother readng 7 pages so I'm sorry if it's already been said. <span style="font-family:Arial BlackBridgestone will be the official supplier next season.


It has been mentioned a few posts earlier that Michelin were not putting a tender, but there has been no mention that it has been awarded to Bridgestone yet (although logic would suspect that they are the likely supplier).

Have you heard anything or using the logic that if not Michelin then Bridgestone?

Personally, I said sometime ago that whilst I fully disagree with a single supplier if one were to be chosen it should be a supplier not in MotoGP in 2008 (Dunlop, Pirelli etc).







Garry

A couple of interesting points made by Julian Rider at Superbikeplanet.com;

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081004g.htm

According to Hiroshi Yamada of Bridgestone, riders should expect an allocation of around fifteen to twenty tyres next year as opposed to the forty they currently get. Whoch would explain why Nicky Hayden said today that he will 'miss qualifiers next year.' He won't be the only one. But rides with non-standard styles or requirements are the ones likely to suffer most. Toni Elias depends on a very special front that Bridgestone currently make for him. That luxury will disappear. Yamada-san also mentioned that Dani Pedrosa's light weight mean he could have problems. A natural consequence of a single-tyre rule, said Yamada-san, is that 'they [riders] will have to adapt.' Details of the tyre regulations for next season will be released in two weeks time at the Malaysian GP. Expect back-tracking from riders as they realise what a single-tyre rule really means.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Oct 4 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamada-san also mentioned that Dani Pedrosa's light weight mean he could have problems. A natural consequence of a single-tyre rule, said Yamada-san, is that 'they [riders] will have to adapt.'

Ezy controls the sport. Punishment for the attempted boycott will be swift. Goodbye Pedrosa/Puig.

I wonder who else is gonna get axed. Anyone who speaks out about the control tire? Anyone who gives a bad press conference? Anyone who complains about the rules?



How much you wanna bet factory riders who are slightly off of the pace are going to receive special dispensation so the races are fun to watch? Of course Vale will get the biggest dispensation.

I think this entire thing is part of the ... whooping he received from the Italian tax man. I would be surprised if he's not good with his money. He probably tried to squeeze more Dorna juice out of Ezy, Ezy gave him the Stones so he could rack up the 6 and 7 figure bonuses he gets from his sponsors.

He's been extra focused this year. More like his back taxes are too steep to allow leisure time. His championship celebration even alluded to the bureaucratic hell his life has become.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 2 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ive waited 2 years to hear you say that, i can rest now
Took 2 years for it to be true.