Grand Prix Commission decides on single tyre rule for 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Sep 28 2008, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whatever people might think of lex's more outre speculations, I agree with his opinion of dorna. They are accountants and purveyors of multimedia product in my view, and not bike racing guys. Whilst I accept the need for funding and competent financial management, I don't think short term TV ratings should be the entire object of the sport.

Amen. Over-emphasis on the short term = long term catastrophe.

Why are they making a control tire?

DORNA wants people to believe it's about the competition. The storyline is supposed to show Michelin leaving because they aren't competitive. They've lost all of their good riders to Bridgestone and now they are packing it in. Michelin simply don't have 40% of the grid and now their being thrown out.

What does Ezy's tenure show?

He is willing to let one manufacturer be awful. He is willing to let a manufacturer supply as little as 1 team. Vale is on the best tires so he has no need to give everyone the same equipment.

This entire control tire controversy is about cornering speeds and safety. Do you think this sense of urgency started after the tire meetings of 2007? or did it start after Pedrosa left when Michelin were awful at Brno. Hmmmm...........I wonder.

If no control tire is imposed, there is absolutely no way they will move forward without unwritten guarantees from the tire manufacturers to control lateral acceleration. I wonder if perhaps they have already tried their hand at it a few times, to find out if such a plan is even feasible.

K, I'm done.

If it in fact is one tire,it needs to be one construction,and one construction only.No special built for the special.To remove all doubt and conspiracy,on Thursday you have a number drawing,1-18 or however many riders there are.Once numbers are drawn,you walk over and there is 18 [or however many riders that day] 3 day allotment of tires in 18 stacks.Whoever pulled the number one gets first pick and they pick a stack and so on.That would eliminate the conspiracy theories that in my opinion is killing the integrity of the sport.With Ducati rumored to have been willing to go Michelin next year,as bad as they have been this year,are they suggesting that things are not what they seem in the Bridgestone world.Are they conveying a thought that maybe the Japanese tire company is giving a certain rider better stuff or do they think that if Michelin could only concentrate on them they would come back to the front.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 29 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Amen. Over-emphasis on the short term = long term catastrophe.

Why are they making a control tire?

DORNA wants people to believe it's about the competition. The storyline is supposed to show Michelin leaving because they aren't competitive. They've lost all of their good riders to Bridgestone and now they are packing it in. Michelin simply don't have 40% of the grid and now their being thrown out.

What does Ezy's tenure show?

He is willing to let one manufacturer be awful. He is willing to let a manufacturer supply as little as 1 team. Vale is on the best tires so he has no need to give everyone the same equipment.

This entire control tire controversy is about cornering speeds and safety. Do you think this sense of urgency started after the tire meetings of 2007? or did it start after Pedrosa left when Michelin were awful at Brno. Hmmmm...........I wonder.

If no control tire is imposed, there is absolutely no way they will move forward without unwritten guarantees from the tire manufacturers to control lateral acceleration. I wonder if perhaps they have already tried their hand at it a few times, to find out if such a plan is even feasible.

K, I'm done.

Lex ill be honest im with you on the Dornas in it for nothing but the money part and is milking the rossi cash cow but i just cant accept valentino would be happy winning races and the championship knowing he was only beating casey because casey was getting dodgy/subpar relative to Rossis tires.The only uncharacterisic maybe unsporting thing Rossi did was to exploit his influence/popularity to ensure he got the Bridgestones he felt he needed butin light of how the pedrobot got his tyres midseason that seems nothing.Valentino knew that to compete with a rival as strong as casey with such a good package (given that unfortunately due to the growing importance of electronics a competitive bike/tyre package was becoming more important in the bike/rider equation).If he was using his influence to basically cheat and win by ensuring Caseys tyres were always crap surely he could have stayed on Michelins and Ezy could still have done this?
Well we'll agree to differ then

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Sep 29 2008, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lex ill be honest im with you on the Dornas in it for nothing but the money part and is milking the rossi cash cow but i just cant accept valentino would be happy winning races and the championship knowing he was only beating casey because casey was getting dodgy/subpar relative to Rossis tires.The only uncharacterisic maybe unsporting thing Rossi did was to exploit his influence/popularity to ensure he got the Bridgestones he felt he needed butin light of how the pedrobot got his tyres midseason that seems nothing.Valentino knew that to compete with a rival as strong as casey with such a good package (given that unfortunately due to the growing importance of electronics a competitive bike/tyre package was becoming more important in the bike/rider equation).If he was using his influence to basically cheat and win by ensuring Caseys tyres were always crap surely he could have stayed on Michelins and Ezy could still have done this?
Well we'll agree to differ then

I didn't say Ezy made Casey's tires crap.

Casey's 2007 spec were seemingly banned, I believe because of their performance at some circuits. As far as Ezy was concerned everything was fair because everyone was on the same tires. Unfortunately, fairness is letting the sport play out from season to season based upon the rules, not some half-assed experiment to improve ratings and increase safety. I'm not suggesting Ezy handed the title to Rossi on a silver platter, I'm saying he screwed with Stoner's defense and he didn't care because it was in the name of safety/fairness/spectacle.

The only person I've suggested Ezy has helped win is Pedrosa. Rossi has ridden the best this season, but I can't help but wonder how things would look if Stoner still had the 2007s underneath him.

Why do we have another (yet again) conspiracy thread here?
Back to the topic, I think Bridgestone will win the bid. Don't forget, HRC choose them for their golden boy. And HRC's wish is Dorna's command. Just like the switch 990 - 800 era.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 29 2008, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didn't say Ezy made Casey's tires crap.

Casey's 2007 spec were seemingly banned, I believe because of their performance at some circuits. As far as Ezy was concerned everything was fair because everyone was on the same tires. Unfortunately, fairness is letting the sport play out from season to season based upon the rules, not some half-assed experiment to improve ratings and increase safety. I'm not suggesting Ezy handed the title to Rossi on a silver platter, I'm saying he screwed with Stoner's defense and he didn't care because it was in the name of safety/fairness/spectacle.

The only person I've suggested Ezy has helped win is Pedrosa. Rossi has ridden the best this season, but I can't help but wonder how things would look if Stoner still had the 2007s underneath him.
Well for anyone to thinkn that it isn't possible they are just lying to themselves. Look everyone knows that Vale on the podium or winning races since he does the big celebrations with his fanclub make good tv. It is as simple as that. If you are running a business that is losing people, sponsors,fans whatever guess what you would do if your the main guy. YEp that is right do WHATEVER it takes without getting caught. Sounds really bad and no one likes to believe it but this is also the reason why guys like ezy get away with it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 29 2008, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Amen. Over-emphasis on the short term = long term catastrophe.

Why are they making a control tire?

DORNA wants people to believe it's about the competition. The storyline is supposed to show Michelin leaving because they aren't competitive. They've lost all of their good riders to Bridgestone and now they are packing it in. Michelin simply don't have 40% of the grid and now their being thrown out.

What does Ezy's tenure show?

He is willing to let one manufacturer be awful. He is willing to let a manufacturer supply as little as 1 team. Vale is on the best tires so he has no need to give everyone the same equipment.

This entire control tire controversy is about cornering speeds and safety. Do you think this sense of urgency started after the tire meetings of 2007? or did it start after Pedrosa left when Michelin were awful at Brno. Hmmmm...........I wonder.

If no control tire is imposed, there is absolutely no way they will move forward without unwritten guarantees from the tire manufacturers to control lateral acceleration. I wonder if perhaps they have already tried their hand at it a few times, to find out if such a plan is even feasible.

K, I'm done.


MYLEXICON

Now that Dorna have there Champion, and everything is right in the World mabe now Bridgestone will be able to give Stoner the good Tyres? you know the 07 GEAR...
I think its a shame that cos Vale is so big, through no fault of his own Dorna have resorted to Dictating certain things this season that has helped the Right Rider/Team win the world Championship cos there so scared to loose Valentino.
Valentino has Ridden well this season and Deserved his chapionship, i cant help thinking had Stoner had the Qatar spec tyres available all season then i think we would be crowning Stoner champ again.

Just on a side note, have you noticed this year cos Vale is winning noone is saying .... about Stoner and T.C? I remeber last year all the FANBOYS could say was that Stoner is only winning cos the Ducati has better T.C.....
What will they say next year when the CARBON FIBRE GP09 Ducati dominates the world..
I cant wait for the excuses..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 29 2008, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.........................

Casey's 2007 spec were seemingly banned, I believe because of their performance at some circuits........................

Either you support these boutades of yours with facts and sources, or please excuse me but I consider them SPAM

For those who don't like the idea of Moto GP going to a single tire rule...i got an idea...

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go be a NASCAR fan or something...maybe cricket...we don't care...
just leave us to enjoy proper racing....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 30 2008, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...
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Just on a side note, have you noticed this year cos Vale is winning noone is saying .... about Stoner and T.C? I remeber last year all the FANBOYS could say was that Stoner is only winning cos the Ducati has better T.C.....
What will they say next year when the CARBON FIBRE GP09 Ducati dominates the world..
I cant wait for the excuses..
Alright,.....how about this: Rossi is only winning cos the Yamaha has better horse power compared to last year.....And Stoner is only losing cos the Ducati has not the advantage of the horse power compared to last year.....
What will THE OTHER FANBOYS say next year when the CARBON FRAME GP9 DO NOT DOMINATES the world..
I can't wait for the excuses..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(stoner27 @ Sep 30 2008, 01:02 PM)
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Just on a side note, have you noticed this year cos Vale is winning noone is saying .... about Stoner and T.C? I remeber last year all the FANBOYS could say was that Stoner is only winning cos the Ducati has better T.C.....
What will they say next year when the CARBON FIBRE GP09 Ducati dominates the world..
I cant wait for the excuses..
and didn't you lot .... your pants when the news broke rossi would be on bridgestones for 08 the rest is history as they say.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 30 2008, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Either you support these boutades of yours with facts and sources, or please excuse me but I consider them SPAM

It would take weeks to locate all of the stuff I've read.

The most important bit was Hopper's interview sometime after Brno. He said that Kawasaki had never run the new tires and they would continue to use the old harder tires until the know how the bike will perform with the new stuff.

The harder tires were made for the Ducati. They are no where to be found, only the god awful Kawasaki are allowed to run them b/c they suck and they need all the help they can get.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 29 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MYLEXICON

Now that Dorna have there Champion, and everything is right in the World mabe now Bridgestone will be able to give Stoner the good Tyres? you know the 07 GEAR...

Great minds think alike. Ezy would be a damn fool if he didn't give Casey the 2007s for his home market race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 30 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great minds think alike. Ezy would be a damn fool if he didn't give Casey the 2007s for his home market race.
Lex how would casey/ducati not notice when they werent getting the 2007 tyres they wanted the majority of the time?given that theirs such a noticable performance difference

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A picture is worth a thousand Blah's. LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Sep 30 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lex how would casey/ducati not notice when they werent getting the 2007 tyres they wanted the majority of the time?given that theirs such a noticable performance difference


Ummmm........Casey did notice.

He threw some pretty big tantrums from Jerez to LeMans. How many times did he have to say in the post race interview that he had the softer tires recommended to him.

He was livid with the poor tire performance at the beginning of the season. As soon as some good hard carcass tires were put back in his selection, he cleared off. They still aren't as good as the 2007s. Just look at what happened in Qatar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 30 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ummmm........Casey did notice.

He threw some pretty big tantrums from Jerez to LeMans. How many times did he have to say in the post race interview that he had the softer tires recommended to him.

He was livid with the poor tire performance at the beginning of the season. As soon as some good hard carcass tires were put back in his selection, he cleared off. They still aren't as good as the 2007s. Just look at what happened in Qatar.
Why even try? Unless you sit at your desk typing how GREAT and AMAZING Rossi is you get more .... than a septic station. I just want good racing that isn't manufactured. You might as well watch professional wrestling.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why even try? Unless you sit at your desk typing how GREAT and AMAZING Rossi is you get more .... than a septic station. I just want good racing that isn't manufactured. You might as well watch professional wrestling.


maybe you should go watch wrestling cause you don't know .... bout racing



ALL this ........ is the same mouth fudge that was spewed when SBK went to a single tire rule...guess what ..........the racing has never been better...better than Moto GP at that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>maybe you should go watch wrestling cause you don't know .... bout racing



ALL this ........ is the same mouth fudge that was spewed when SBK went to a single tire rule...guess what ..........the racing has never been better...better than Moto GP at that.
Whatever .... I have been into racing ever since I popped out in record time. .... I set a ...... PB when I was born. And this isn't SBK mouth fudge eater.