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I am coming up with a conspiracy theory as to why this may be but I just need time to get my Excel spreadhseets ready with figures that suit my argument whilst enlisting a friend to offer their 'unbiased' opinion and all whilst eating a Snickers and praying to the sultan of slide that is Garry McCoy
Plus it is only a temporary hiatus, much like the new 'friendship' in GP
Just for my interest, what in Povol's post is non- factual? Not that Rossi prefers hard carcass tyres and Jorge soft ones, nor that MM is equally suited by Rossi's tyre preference, nor that the Michelin race day tyres were specifically tailored, nor that MM is riding more sensibly or in a more mature fashion this year, and probably not even that MM's current bike is inferior.
There is a difference between you not wanting things to be true and them not actually being true.
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Tennessee
Lorenzo is not stupid, he will not burn the bridge he has to come back across in 2019. Him leaving Yamaha was pure and simple to get away from a toxic teammate he hoped would retire. Once Roosi re upped for 2 more years, Lorenzo knew right then He was going to take a money run for the next couple of years then rejoin Yamaha once the poisonous element has gone away. He will not speak badly of Yamaha unless it gets blatant like the Spies episode.
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Texas
Lets break it down.
Are there any references for this? Do we know the tire specifications that were given to Michelin?
Could a reason modern GP tires utilize a stiffer carcass compared to decade old tires be increases horsepower, speed, and cornering forces? How stiff is "too stiff" for Lorenzo? Lorenzo struggled at times on Bridgestones when he couldn't find edge grip and I say again... he has already won 3 races on Michelins.
Objection your Honor! Conjecture!
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Texas
I don't believe that, but are you concerned about Lorenzo losing too much confidence to if he struggles for two years on the Duc? You think he'll be able to return to winning form like Rossi? He also has to stay motivated to want to put in the work to return to winning form.
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Norah Head
Lorenzo is a far more talented rider than rossi ever was or ever will be. rossi has returned untalented wit a few wins Lorenzo should get wins on the Duc. .... and even if he returns to Yamaha we can expect his perfomance to be far above that of rossi.
Agreed Pov, JL is way smarter than some seem to want to believe but for me, I do not see him going back to Yamaha as I suspect (and there are rumours to this) that VR will remain involved after he retires (mind you, if he does not get the 10th who knows how the Yamaha/Rossi relationship will be) and I do not see JL at Yamaha with Rossi around
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Texas
I fully appreciate that the conclusions Povol drew are his opinion, but all of the matters I listed on which he based his conclusions/opinions are fairly factual.
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Texas
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Dont Know
Here's some factual data for you. The Michelin rep has admitted they didn't bring a soft front tire at all for this weekend. They have a 'medium' which is in fact harder than the asymmetric hard on the right. The 'recommended' tire for the weekend, the one with the yellow ring around it. I know you wouldn't understand, but basically since France the riders have found the hard is the only useable option. Normally at least a few riders would go for medium, but the one obvious rider that would prefer softer tires, yes you guessed it, the 2015 world champ.
The other undisputed fact from Germany is too many riders have crashed losing the front. The front is too hard, they clearly should have brought a softer option. But they didn't.
Unlike Pov I don't think Marquez or more specifically Honda do so well against Yamaha on soft tires. The problem is Lorenzo becomes unstoppable. But on hard, Marquez is the best. Rossi is boxed in, has been for years, this isn't 2004 against Biaggi and Gibbernau, and this is the reason Rossi hasn't been champ for the longest stretch of his career.
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Texas
My question for Michelin would be "Would the soft tire last full race distance on a track that demands so much from the left side?"
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Dont Know
Fairly factual? Is that like like 2 + 2 = 4.1?
Irrational numbers are your purview.
As I said, all of the points I listed have a factual basis. Opinions or conclusions based on them are just that as I also said.
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Texas
I have give Michelin the benefit of the doubt that the tires they brought are what they feel are best for good performance throughout full race distance. Michelin is not going to offer the soft tires if they don't have confidence they will perform over full race distance. I'm sure they don't want a repeat of Bridgestone's front tire disaster at COTA 2 years ago.
Lorenzo didn't really blame the tires, he said he made mistakes. His fastest lap in Q1 was quite good. For all we know, Lorenzo could be on pace if tomorrow is a dry race (highly unlikely it will be).
Your understanding of numbers and math seems to be pretty poor , similar to your logical thinking. 4.1 is not irrational
it is rational. May be you will stop your pseudo intellectual show off and start talking senseYour understanding of numbers and math seems to be pretty poor , similar to your logical thinking. 4.1 is not irrational
As I said, argumentum ad hominem is the first rather than last resort for many of you guys.
I am well aware of what an irrational number is when not joking, and actually had verifiable considerable mathematical ability in my youth. Pretentious I may be, but there is not much in the way of "pseudo-" about it.
I will start being "sensible" when you guys stop ignoring inconvenient truths/obfuscating in response to and failing to address what doesn't suit your narrative.
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Texas
Anyone willing to make predictions for the race? Latest forecast shows it's very likely to be wet, but maybe some good news for Yamaha is that it should be a little warmer than it was Friday.
Marc has been strong all weekend, but if it's another wet race there are a lot of other riders with less to lose that will be more than happy to push the limits. Maybe Miller does a back to back!?
Marc has been strong all weekend, but if it's another wet race there are a lot of other riders with less to lose that will be more than happy to push the limits. Maybe Miller does a back to back!?
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Dont Know
No. What Michelin have actually done, deliberately, is bring a medium tire which is completely useless. This was the conversation on Friday:
With the cooler temps, will we see more riders opt for the softer medium tire?
Michelin, sheepish, red faced. No. We still recommend the hard. The medium is not asymmetric, so while it is softer on the right, it is harder on the critical side, the left, meaning in the cooler conditions it is actually worse.
Say what? In hot conditions the hard is better. But in cold conditions the hard is better. The medium is useless.
We saw this in 2011. Weres safety advisor Loris Crapirossi when you need him? He instigated the infamous rider vote, were riders said they preferred softer tires, you know, so the front doesn't suddenly wash out. They said they can manage tire wear.
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