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Ducati cup, lol. I have heard some moans about this.
Well, after so many years watching only two factories winning everything, seeing fans blaming Ducati for having a glimpse of dominance, which will stop soon, is nothing but weird and very contradictory. I think most of the GP audience is composed by dumb fanboys of their own bikes and as most of them own an Yamaha or Honda, now that their favorite brand is struggling and getting beat, they are crying and moaning like a kid.
Domination is just part of sport. I’m sure some people are just haters without a cause, but if you look at the details, it’s difficult not to be a hater. Ducati couldn’t beat Marquez and they couldn’t buy Marquez so circumvented rules that had been agreed in principle since the early 90s when active ride height first reared it’s ugly head. It was Cagiva stirring the pot back then, Ducati’s cousin in the Castiglioni empire.

Perhaps the situation would be less frustrating if GP were not the second series that Gigi was burning to the ground to get what he wants. He was the subject of many complaints about rules violations during his time with WSBK’s factory Aprilia team. When Kawasaki mobilized to defeat them, and then Gigi bailed for redder pastures, it gave us the Johnny Rea show, which caused the collapse of the old SBK formula.

Gigi is the private equity hatchet man of MotoGP. He sees an opportunity. He strips all of the value for himself and his employer, and then he leaves the sport in much worse condition than he found it. But he gets nothing but praise because the hatchet men know how to tee up good press from “independent journalists”. The current situation in MotoGP is absurd. A formula so bad it’s a lame duck 1 year into its 5-year cycle. I don’t think the 21/20L 800s were that quick to die. This is Luigi’s game. It’s terrible.
 
^ 'Em. With races like today , Moto GP is fine. Not everyone counts the races based on the manufacturer of the bike.

Japan cleaned up for decades. This is almost as bad as Mercedes F1 fans whining about Red Bull domination after they surrendered the MFG title after 8 years.
 
Domination is just part of sport. I’m sure some people are just haters without a cause, but if you look at the details, it’s difficult not to be a hater. Ducati couldn’t beat Marquez and they couldn’t buy Marquez so circumvented rules that had been agreed in principle since the early 90s when active ride height first reared it’s ugly head. It was Cagiva stirring the pot back then, Ducati’s cousin in the Castiglioni empire.
I believe the aero has negated a large part of Marquez's advantage.
I see the extra load placed on the front tyre as making the ability to catch a front end slide harder.
The traction is increased but when if lets go it is harder to catch and save.
That ability to push harder on corner entry than others has been neutralised.
We just are not seeing those front end slides and catches as often.
The aero seems to have reduced the ability to slide and save.

So yes as you say, unable to beat him as it was, so change the paradigm. It has been very successful.
 
Jorge Martin has flown under the radar. Amazing performance, and he’s only 16 points back? Have we been talking about the wrong satellite Ducati all of this time. Bezzechi had a good showing, but Jorge has been more consistent.

I’m surprised Pecco didn’t take the win. He closed down Martin slowly in the sprint so he seemed like a shoo-in, but some missteps at critical moments.

The Ducati Cup sucks, but they deserve credit for actually giving race-winning equipment to 8 guys. That’s definitely a first.

Much has been said about the Marquez/Honda problem, and how maybe Honda have relied on him too much. Well, what is Yamaha’s and Suzuki’s excuse? I don’t think Marc has anything to do with it, the Japanese were basically all dismissive of this dumb move to hydraulic ride height, and maybe they thought they could just ignore it. Well, Suzuki quit right after signing anew contract, and Honda and Yamaha are terrible and just marking the days until 2027.
 
^ 'Em. With races like today , Moto GP is fine. Not everyone counts the races based on the manufacturer of the bike.

Japan cleaned up for decades. This is almost as bad as Mercedes F1 fans whining about Red Bull domination after they surrendered the MFG title after 8 years.

I’m not a fan of the manufacturers in Grand Prix racing. They are a means to an end with the end being really fast motorcycles for the riders. If anything, I would have considered myself a Ducati fan before the VW money corrupted them.

Plus, I’ve said many times that they were the victims of the unraveling of MotoGP during the 800cc era. They had a great bike, the best rider, and the best tire performance, and it was taken from them because Honda, Yamaha, Michelin and Rossi were lost. Kawasaki and Suzuki bailed after The Great Screw Job, but Ducati stayed. The old company deserves credit for that.

But that was before VW came riding in on their pale horse, looking to use motorsports exploits as a means of flipping Ducati. It’s gone so well, they are planning to hold on to it, and keep strip mining MotoGP and WSBK before they spin Ducati off. Well, that’s the latest rumor anyway. Hopefully, there will be a sport left when they are done.

Ducati are not the first manufacturer to steer MotoGP into troubled waters. Honda failed with the fuel limited 800cc formula, but the current situation is much more crazy. At least Honda really thought the 990s were dangerous and they wanted to move to a more ecologically friendly formula with a different style of bike. It was poorly executed but understandable. Ducati are putting hydraulic ride height and wings on GP bikes because they need to win for VW’s elaborate financial schemes to pay off. We’re not watching a sport. We’re watching a global corporation at work. MotoGP is a new world, and the indigenous peoples don’t have a deed.

I can’t pretend this is the 17th century, and I’m impressed by these developments.
 
Ducati cup, lol. I have heard some moans about this. Well, what's now so funny is the fact that many people are ignoring that both Honda and Yamaha won 28 WC out of the last 33 WC as long as I remember, not to mention the Japaneses won 31 of this 33 WC, being Ducati the only factory up until now that has managed to interrupt the asian total dominance. How fun is that?

I can't recall a soul moaning about or calling it the "Japanese Cup" as long as their superheroes like Rossi, Marquez, Biaggi or Doohan were winning dominant boring races on that bikes. I wonder even if both Honda and Yamaha have some kind of "agree" with Dorna for letting things turn upside down for a while. I surely wouldn't doubt about a thing like that.

Well, after so many years watching only two factories winning everything, seeing fans blaming Ducati for having a glimpse of dominance, which will stop soon, is nothing but weird and very contradictory. I think most of the GP audience is composed by dumb fanboys of their own bikes and as most of them own an Yamaha or Honda, now that their favorite brand is struggling and getting beat, they are crying and moaning like a kid.
The thing is how they have done it, in regard to which I am in agreement with Lex. Don't like ride height devices and aero stuff which will never have any application outside the sport and also takes away from the riders imo. No riding near the limit now, which is what I enjoyed with Stoner and MM, the limit is higher now but there is a precipice at that limit, with many riders including the guy leading the title race claiming the bikes can let go without warning.
 
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^ 'Em. With races like today , Moto GP is fine. Not everyone counts the races based on the manufacturer of the bike.

Japan cleaned up for decades. This is almost as bad as Mercedes F1 fans whining about Red Bull domination after they surrendered the MFG title after 8 years.
Except this is like what happened with Mercedes, who gained an advantage they kept for years because under an equalisation formula which in F1 involved an engine freeze at one time iirc competitors can't respond. Ducati even got concessions to develop their bike and the control ECU was from the manufacturer they were already using while being backed by VW/Audi who have far more financial resoursces than even Honda has.
 
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Despite the Ducati dominance I thought yesterday's race was reasonably good. Was hoping Jack and Brad could hang in there a little longer but the battle between Pecco and Jorge was great to watch.

233,196 spectators over the course of the weekend set a new record for the event for the second year in a row which is awesome to see. Wasn't there this year, hope to make it back next time.
 
In 97 Honda had 8 bikes on the grid, I believe they won every race that year. Quite a few all Honda podiums.
Interesting. That was during a period from ‘89 to 2009 when I’d stopped following the sport. I stand corrected.
 
The thing is how they have done it, in regard to which I am in agreement with Lex. Don't like ride height devices and aero stuff which will never have any application outside the sport and also takes away from the riders imo. No riding near the limit now, which is what I enjoyed with Stoner and MM, the limit is higher now but there is a precipice at that limit, with many riders including the guy leading the title race claiming the bikes can let go without warning.
Not being truly knowledgeable guy when it comes to the tech stuff on an atomic level, I’m prone at times to possibly miss-reading the tea leaves. That said, I’ve been predicting for a few years, that the sport is nearing the tipping point where the bike technology and the tires have more or less reached the limit, with regards to how much faster the bikes can go without overcoming the tires capacity to adhere to the paving. The zillions of dollars these companies spend every year so commentators can gasp and wildly shout about some rider shaving half a second off of last years lap time is a travesty. I used to be so excited about all the new innovations that came out each year, but these days not so much. There’s always going to be a oontingent of gear-heads who get all excited because some factory has shaved off half an ounce off of each con-rod, but I just don’t give a ..... To me its always been about the talent of the riders. Carmelo et al, need to do better promotion of the riders themselves, and FFS get rid of that dumb-... promotional segment at the beginning of the program with all the riders striking those gay-... super hero poses, looking at fiercely at themselves in a reflection and/or stroking the bikes as if they were hot women, or whatever it is they are supposed to look like. It’s ....... embarrassingly tacky.
 
I am a major Jorge Lorenzo fan, but I don’t think the Honda was his type of bike, he was fairly spent when he got there
Lorenzo's year on the Honda was marred by injury so its difficult to judge how he went on it

Miller is the first rider home that wasn't on a Ducati and if he hadn't been there it would of been all 8 Ducati's in first 8 places. I'm wondering if having 8 Ducati's in the firs 9 places is a record?
 
The thing is how they have done it, in regard to which I am in agreement with Lex. Don't like ride height devices and aero stuff which will never have any application outside the sport and also takes away from the riders imo. No riding near the limit now, which is what I enjoyed with Stoner and MM, the limit is higher now but there is a precipice at that limit, with many riders including the guy leading the title race claiming the bikes can let go without warning.

Very good point Michael. It throws off the old 80% rider 20% bike ratio in favor of the bike. I feel like the rider riding the best of the front runners is Binder. Without ride height and aero I feel he would/could be leading points.
 
Despite the Ducati dominance I thought yesterday's race was reasonably good. Was hoping Jack and Brad could hang in there a little longer but the battle between Pecco and Jorge was great to watch.

233,196 spectators over the course of the weekend set a new record for the event for the second year in a row which is awesome to see. Wasn't there this year, hope to make it back next time.
True. Bagnaia and Martin put on a setup/riding clinic. They were 7 seconds clear of the field, and Martin provided fans with a masterclass of defensive riding. MotoGP is still the best motorsport on earth.
 
Domination is just part of sport. I’m sure some people are just haters without a cause, but if you look at the details, it’s difficult not to be a hater. Ducati couldn’t beat Marquez and they couldn’t buy Marquez so circumvented rules that had been agreed in principle since the early 90s when active ride height first reared it’s ugly head. It was Cagiva stirring the pot back then, Ducati’s cousin in the Castiglioni empire.
Then we must thank Ducati for stopping Marquez boring era. Were not by them + AD04 we'd have watched the Marquez cup. Would that be fun? I myself was about to stop watching.
I personally can't see rules exploration as a bad thing, in the end we are talking about motor racing where bikes and technologies are involved. No point in having frozen rules and machines that never update neither shows some innovation. Then take out the bikes and let the riders run on their shoes 100m dash or something like this together with Usain Bolt or Carl Lews.

Perhaps the situation would be less frustrating if GP were not the second series that Gigi was burning to the ground to get what he wants. He was the subject of many complaints about rules violations during his time with WSBK’s factory Aprilia team. When Kawasaki mobilized to defeat them, and then Gigi bailed for redder pastures, it gave us the Johnny Rea show, which caused the collapse of the old SBK formula.

Gigi is the private equity hatchet man of MotoGP. He sees an opportunity. He strips all of the value for himself and his employer, and then he leaves the sport in much worse condition than he found it. But he gets nothing but praise because the hatchet men know how to tee up good press from “independent journalists”. The current situation in MotoGP is absurd. A formula so bad it’s a lame duck 1 year into its 5-year cycle. I don’t think the 21/20L 800s were that quick to die. This is Luigi’s game. It’s terrible.

Gigi pushes the rules and creates new ways of doing things. He must find something to thrive. What is the problem with that? This is called creativity, a thing some japanese factories are currently lacking. True that sometimes some figures will try to concentrate power (like one in the past as known as Rossi), but that's part of the game. Not long time ago Ducati was sucking so hard that we were chatting here not if but when they would pull out from the series. Now you can see how things can turn around...

By the way, I have been taking a sight into David Emmet's blog (AKA moto matters), although I'm not subscribed, you can infer through comments what's being talked in the article, and it seems he brought into discussion a possible Honda pull out. Some other guys discussing if Yamaha could also leave. LoL....how fans are... fun. The day Honda or Yamaha leaves MotoGP, it's the end of the world. They will never leave. MotoGP smells, breath and IS Honda & Yamaha. And the moment they decide to make a come back, they will. Never bet against them. Never. So I think Ducati is trying to squeeze their momentum the most as they know the big giants are just taking a nap. Also, I doubt MM will leave Honda. In the 2024 the japanese will be there and the field will be equalized again. Honda machine is not so crappy and so away as it seems, and also Yamaha.
 
Then we must thank Ducati for stopping Marquez boring era. Were not by them + AD04 we'd have watched the Marquez cup. Would that be fun? I myself was about to stop watching.
I personally can't see rules exploration as a bad thing, in the end we are talking about motor racing where bikes and technologies are involved. No point in having frozen rules and machines that never update neither shows some innovation. Then take out the bikes and let the riders run on their shoes 100m dash or something like this together with Usain Bolt or Carl Lews.




Gigi pushes the rules and creates new ways of doing things. He must find something to thrive. What is the problem with that? This is called creativity, a thing some japanese factories are currently lacking. True that sometimes some figures will try to concentrate power (like one in the past as known as Rossi), but that's part of the game. Not long time ago Ducati was sucking so hard that we were chatting here not if but when they would pull out from the series. Now you can see how things can turn around...

By the way, I have been taking a sight into David Emmet's blog (AKA moto matters), although I'm not subscribed, you can infer through comments what's being talked in the article, and it seems he brought into discussion a possible Honda pull out. Some other guys discussing if Yamaha could also leave. LoL....how fans are... fun. The day Honda or Yamaha leaves MotoGP, it's the end of the world. They will never leave. MotoGP smells, breath and IS Honda & Yamaha. And the moment they decide to make a come back, they will. Never bet against them. Never. So I think Ducati is trying to squeeze their momentum the most as they know the big giants are just taking a nap. Also, I doubt MM will leave Honda. In the 2024 the japanese will be there and the field will be equalized again. Honda machine is not so crappy and so away as it seems, and also Yamaha.
So you prefer a series where a superior bike wins by inferior riders than when the skill of a rider wins him championships? Would you have preferred if Usain Bolts competition wore jetpacks to even the playing field and make it less boring?
 
I think MM is now a large distraction to the Honda effort that they just don't need anymore. I think Honda should help MM ride off quietly in to the sunset, perhaps he can get another ride on a Ducati or KTM, this would allow Honda to rethink their whole strategy and build a bike that a mere mortal can ride.

Ducati has done it, come on Honda and Yamaha, show your stuff !!!
 
So you prefer a series where a superior bike wins by inferior riders than when the skill of a rider wins him championships? Would you have preferred if Usain Bolts competition wore jetpacks to even the playing field and make it less boring?
They are all playing by the same rules, each competitor is a package of man and machine, some have a better machine and some have a better man, the trick is to have the better of both and to work hard to make that happen.

In the meantime some eat steak, and some eat KD !!!
 
I think MM is now a large distraction to the Honda effort that they just don't need anymore. I think Honda should help MM ride off quietly in to the sunset, perhaps he can get another ride on a Ducati or KTM, this would allow Honda to rethink their whole strategy and build a bike that a mere mortal can ride.

Ducati has done it, come on Honda and Yamaha, show your stuff !!!
Honda has nothing and has accomplished nothing without Marc since Stoner. He hasn't had a single teammate that could compete with him. They have no replacement for him if they do let him go. If they let him go honda is the one that might as well go off quietly in to the sunset.
 
They are all playing by the same rules, each competitor is a package of man and machine, some have a better machine and some have a better man, the trick is to have the better of both and to work hard to make that happen.

In the meantime some eat steak, and some eat KD !!!
I don't disagree. This is prototype racing and that is how it goes. If someone builds a better bike than others than credit to them. I am not going to stop watching over it. I'm fine with it.
 

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