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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 17 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't agree with any of your post. In his accident at Ramshoek, Vale sustained a nasty injury to a bone in his wrist called the pisifrom, which seriously hampered his ability to brake. This was still impeding him in the next race at Donington - most felt that he shouldn't have ridden becuase he also ran the very real risk of aggravating the situation; but he did, and salvaged nine points as a result.

Many would disagree with your assertion that Lorenzo is not a champion contender. He's on 74 points and second in the championship above both Rossi and Stoner. Do you mean that in view of the fact that we're only four races gone and in view of his injuries then he's likely to fade during the year?

I think Lorenzo is more intelligent than you give him credit for - granted not on the level of Vale or Dani. When he first appeared in 125's he was wild and had little in the way of racecraft. This continued somewhat to 250's, but last season he had clearly really come of age. Behind the bravado and the machismo is a lad who's matured greatly, and is more calculated than you probably appreciate. His pass on Valentino at Estoril, was brilliantly executed, and worthy of the great man himself.

When I stated you were starting from a wrong premise it was just that: you made two completely different situations equivalent.

Rossi was a five times 500/MotoGP world champion, on the eighth race of his 6th season in the top-class, facing back to back races and then a three weekend resting period (to that German GP I already mentioned) to nurse a one wrist injury.

Lorenzo was on the fourth event of his rookie season, with two weeks to (sort of) heal broken bones and tore ligaments to both ankles, had he chose to pull out of China, and then be (sort of) fit for the marathon racing ahead.

Apart from both peeing standing (and even that is in doubt with regard to Lorenzo), how can a comparison be drawn? And where's the "smart", for that matter?

You know who he's really competing against, don't you? Dani. And as long as he sees the championship as a succession of opportunities to beat the Madrid lad he won't win ONE title.
 
Not sure about Lorenzo at the moment, maybe just pushing it a little to much, its obvious to see at the moment he's not 100% used to the moto gp class yet, maybe to much is being expected of him or he expects to much from himself, or maybe its his injuries. Perhaps he should be easing himself into this class a little bit more like Dovi, perhaps he should have taken a tech 3 ride or something instead of full factory, it might have been better long term........ Having said that he'll probably go on to win the Championship now.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dOdGE.dIZ @ May 17 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo was on the fourth event of his rookie season, with two weeks to (sort of) heal broken bones and tore ligaments to both ankles, had he chose to pull out of China, and then be (sort of) fit for the marathon racing ahead.

You know who he's really competing against, don't you? Dani. And as long as he sees the championship as a succession of opportunities to beat the Madrid lad he won't win ONE title.

The full extent of Lorenzo's injuries were not realized in China when the decision to race was taken, which is why it may now seem like a bad decision.

Also wrist injuries are definitely more significant than ankle injuries when it comes to riding. Depsite the pain and difficulty Lorenzo obviously has he was able to finish 4th in China, with Rossi's injury at Assen he couldn't get close.

Lastly, Lorenzo is a two time world champion and he clearly has the intelligence to see the bigger picture and know what it takes to win a world title.
 
Lorenzo. 3 pole positions and a win in the first 3 races of the season on a new bike in a new series. Anyone who writes this guy off is insane.
 
Felt sorry for Melandri on his last lap "interference" on Edwards. Poor bloke put in his fastest time of the session that lap despite their contretemps, just that happened to be 2.5 seconds off Edwards' pace
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. Presumably Edwards thought Melandri was touring on an in-lap, rather than on a qualifier, as he was going so much quicker.
 
I have to say, things look really, really good for Dani, tomorrow. He was doing times comparable to Rossi's qualifying time, on race tires, lap after lap. He'll definitely be the man to beat.

Stoner is a non issue for a win on the dry. The Ducati's setup is uneven. He can lap comfortably on S1-S3 but he consistently looses 0.2s on S4. When the setup is tweaked towards the last sector his lap times are inconsistent which hints at him not being as confident.

Rossi will either be able to latch on to Dani in the first couple of laps, and then hope the Bridgies deliver, or he'll be left to fight for second with Stoner. Mind you Yamaha on Michelins are the machine to have so maybe, just maybe, it's Colin's time to rain on everybody's parade.

Speaking of rain, if it's wet all bet's are off. Chris is showing good pace and, if it's a deluge, Westy can swim his way to a top result.
 
lorenzos balls are bigger than his brain.... he certainly is not a quiter. how about that high speed dirt trackin move! after crashing twice!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ May 17 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Felt sorry for Melandri on his last lap "interference" on Edwards. Poor bloke put in his fastest time of the session that lap despite their contretemps, just that happened to be 2.5 seconds off Edwards' pace
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. Presumably Edwards thought Melandri was touring on an in-lap, rather than on a qualifier, as he was going so much quicker.
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That's funny as well as sad. They even made it into a dangerous situation as Capirossi? came from behind and almost crashed with Edwards.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dOdGE.dIZ @ May 17 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Speaking of rain, if it's wet all bet's are off. Chris is showing good pace and, if it's a deluge, Westy can swim his way to a top result.

The weather in Le Mans tomorrow will be like it is in the Uk today...damp and drizzle, but not constant....so not really wet wet
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dOdGE.dIZ @ May 17 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have to say, things look really, really good for Dani, tomorrow. He was doing times comparable to Rossi's qualifying time, on race tires, lap after lap. He'll definitely be the man to beat.
Really? Pedrosa was doing 1.33.1s on race tyres? Can anyone confirm that?

Does anybody have the fastest times on race tyres for the top riders? Would be interesting to see who's got the best and most consistent race pace.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fred00 @ May 17 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really? Pedrosa was doing 1.33.1s on race tyres? Can anyone confirm that?

Does anybody have the fastest times on race tyres for the top riders? Would be interesting to see who's got the best and most consistent race pace.

Unfortunatly the analysis link doesn't work at motoGp.com but no, Pedrosa were not even close to Rossi's best q time on race tires. He might have been as low as 33.6 but nothing more than than that.
It was kind of hard to keep up between the race and Q.tires as eveyone startet puting q tires on about 35 min into the session. I guess Stoner was the last to put q.tires on, but pedrosa were on q tires as everyone else quite early.
 
Quote of the session today goes to Herve Poncharal:

"For sure Colin will be on the front row, but you can never be sure. For sure he will be chasing it"
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fred00 @ May 17 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really? Pedrosa was doing 1.33.1s on race tyres? Can anyone confirm that?

Does anybody have the fastest times on race tyres for the top riders? Would be interesting to see who's got the best and most consistent race pace.

I didn't say he was doing the same time as Valentino, I said comparable - within a couple of tenths. Even so it was an overstatement. Like Babelfish wrote, he was able to ride mid to high 1m33s, and was the only rider to lap sub-1m34s laps on race tires, but that's still not that close to Vale's qualifying time.

Anyway, here are the lap times per run, for the top 4:

Valentino Rossi:

(that 1m33s767 is on a qualifier so he must have stayed on the same tire for run 5)

Casey Stoner:


Colin Edwards:


Dani Pedrosa:

(the 1m33s857 was on race tires, and I believe the 1m33s565 was too)

I hope it's allowed to post this images here. If not please tell.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dOdGE.dIZ @ May 17 2008, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(the 1m33s857 was on race tires, and I believe the 1m33s565 was too)
The 1:33.565 was hardly on race tyres. I'm not even sure the 1:33.857 was. Why else is that lap on a separate run?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fred00 @ May 17 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 1:33.565 was hardly on race tyres. I'm not even sure the 1:33.857 was. Why else is that lap on a separate run?

"Why" I can't tell you, but the 1m33s911 from the previous run is only 0.057s off, and it's beyond doubt that was on race tires. And, like I said, I'm not certain whether the 1m33s565 was on qualies or not, but the real leap was in run 6 (1m33s007, -0.560s) and the final try (1m32s647, -1.082s) which lead me to believe he was still on race tires.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dOdGE.dIZ @ May 18 2008, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Why" I can't tell you, but the 1m33s911 from the previous run is only 0.057s off, and it's beyond doubt that was on race tires. And, like I said, I'm not certain whether the 1m33s565 was on qualies or not, but the real leap was in run 6 (1m33s007, -0.560s) and the final try (1m32s647, -1.082s) which lead me to believe he was still on race tires.


It was the 33.8 lap I was unsure about, as it was quite hectic at that time with dark clouds comming in, but I doubt it was a race tire. Just like Rossi Pedorosa like to take it slowly in the start and build speed.

Is he the man to beat? Sure, he leads the championship and have pole, but asuming the 33.8 was on a q tire he had only one lap below 34 in an otherwise untidy stint. There are three ( i think ) more with a 34.1 so my guess is that it will be close racing for tomorrow. None of them really got the time they expected. Stoner got som last minute changes and a two lap stint on race tires to confirm it.
Rossi were switching bikes and changing parts in his rear suspension. Edwards seems to be the only one who have things sorted right now and have found his race pace. The others can end up worse better or hopefully similar.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dOdGE.dIZ @ May 17 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ever heard of Jarno Truli? If you do you know what I'm talking 'bout, if you don't forget I mentioned it...Heard of him? I've supported the bugger for the last 9 years. Trulli flatters a car in qualifying, especially the Toyota.
 
The midget looks likely to run away with it tomorrow. I'm hoping for a damp track to see some ....... action. Will Lorenzo destroy someones season trying to be a hero? Putting in a few short stints might be ok, but 28 laps at pace is really going to tax his body.

Should be a good 125 race.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dOdGE.dIZ @ May 17 2008, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wrong premise. Rossi wasn't nearly as injured as Chupaboy "seems" to be (he does like to play for an audience, but he really looks stiff and uncomfortable, and the doctors wouldn't make up the injuries) AND he was a proper championship contender. Lorenzo is not, IMO. And his attitude confirms it.

He shouldn't have raced in China and should have made an attempt of recovering for the FIVE races we'll be having for the next six weekends. Instead he will be racing injured in all of them, running the (very real) risk of aggravating is situation.

He is supremely talented, but a "thinker" he is not. And, against Mini-me or Rossi, or even Stoner, and in the future, maybe Dovi or Bautista, he'd better wise-up.
Great post -genius in fact. I look forward to your views on what precisely should be Lorenzo's next move in a fortnights time.
 

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