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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pacman @ May 17 2008, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky
Nicky may be riding to his ability I suppose...and/or Honda are already feeding him to the wolves....eitherway that is an awful performance from him....HOWEVER, I am sure his Qualifying tyre runs will push him up to order....and he still has a day to sort out his race pace.
Edwards great times, but will fall back in the races as usual...
Dovi could get himself on a top 3 spot this weekend or is ramping up for Mugello...
Nicky may be riding to his ability I suppose...and/or Honda are already feeding him to the wolves....eitherway that is an awful performance from him....HOWEVER, I am sure his Qualifying tyre runs will push him up to order....and he still has a day to sort out his race pace.
Edwards great times, but will fall back in the races as usual...
Dovi could get himself on a top 3 spot this weekend or is ramping up for Mugello...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 17 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Motogp.com is reporting that Lorenzo crashed again today. Not what he needs at all
Jorge really should have sat this weekend out to get healthy for Mugelo and then Cataluyna...
Jorge really should have sat this weekend out to get healthy for Mugelo and then Cataluyna...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 17 2008, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>JT within a second of the leading pace, finally!
Colin used a Q?
Pretty impressive for JT given that he doesn't know the circuit.
Colin - not a quali, he was out for about 8 laps on that tyre.
Colin used a Q?
Pretty impressive for JT given that he doesn't know the circuit.
Colin - not a quali, he was out for about 8 laps on that tyre.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ May 17 2008, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jorge really should have sat this weekend out to get healthy for Mugelo and then Cataluyna...
I think its important that injuries or not he doesn't become a crasher.
I think its important that injuries or not he doesn't become a crasher.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ May 17 2008, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jorge really should have sat this weekend out to get healthy for Mugelo and then Cataluyna...
I disagree. In '06 people said the same about Rossi at Assen. He qualified last, rode the race and Rossi being Rossi ended up scoring what could have been a crucial and valuable nine points. If the championship is similarly as close this year, and it looks to be panning out that way, Jorge could end up rueful over any decision not to ride this weekend
I disagree. In '06 people said the same about Rossi at Assen. He qualified last, rode the race and Rossi being Rossi ended up scoring what could have been a crucial and valuable nine points. If the championship is similarly as close this year, and it looks to be panning out that way, Jorge could end up rueful over any decision not to ride this weekend
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 17 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Motogp.com is reporting that Lorenzo crashed again today. Not what he needs at all
Maybe its time to start calling him "Chuck it Chuppa Chup"!
Maybe its time to start calling him "Chuck it Chuppa Chup"!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ May 17 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You could write a psychological case study on Colin Edwards, how can you be that fast & it just not translate to races? Ever heard of Jarno Truli? If you do you know what I'm talking 'bout, if you don't forget I mentioned it...
Qualifying and racing demand different levels of focus and commitment. It is obvious some excel at the former without being exceptional at the latter and the reverse is also true. Racing the clock, for one or two laps, isn't the same as racing someone who's racing back at you. A bunch of someones.
Having said that, he is not a rookie, he is a former WSBK champion. One could assume he would be able to handle himself around a mob.
Qualifying and racing demand different levels of focus and commitment. It is obvious some excel at the former without being exceptional at the latter and the reverse is also true. Racing the clock, for one or two laps, isn't the same as racing someone who's racing back at you. A bunch of someones.
Having said that, he is not a rookie, he is a former WSBK champion. One could assume he would be able to handle himself around a mob.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 17 2008, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree, but what I ment is that except from a lucky draw in China he has been playing catching up in every practice session this year with the new tires. They take a hard look at the telemetics and make adjustments and are back on top the next session but so far he has been dropping down the list as the session progress.
Maybe, now they have data enough to make good desitions while the session is running.
OK. I interpreted it as "Rossi/Burgess will sort it out in the end, they almost always do".
My mistake...
Maybe, now they have data enough to make good desitions while the session is running.
OK. I interpreted it as "Rossi/Burgess will sort it out in the end, they almost always do".
My mistake...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 17 2008, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I disagree. In '06 people said the same about Rossi at Assen. He qualified last, rode the race and Rossi being Rossi ended up scoring what could have been a crucial and valuable nine points. If the championship is similarly as close this year, and it looks to be panning out that way, Jorge could end up rueful over any decision not to ride this weekend
Wrong premise. Rossi wasn't nearly as injured as Chupaboy "seems" to be (he does like to play for an audience, but he really looks stiff and uncomfortable, and the doctors wouldn't make up the injuries) AND he was a proper championship contender. Lorenzo is not, IMO. And his attitude confirms it.
He shouldn't have raced in China and should have made an attempt of recovering for the FIVE races we'll be having for the next six weekends. Instead he will be racing injured in all of them, running the (very real) risk of aggravating is situation.
He is supremely talented, but a "thinker" he is not. And, against Mini-me or Rossi, or even Stoner, and in the future, maybe Dovi or Bautista, he'd better wise-up.
Wrong premise. Rossi wasn't nearly as injured as Chupaboy "seems" to be (he does like to play for an audience, but he really looks stiff and uncomfortable, and the doctors wouldn't make up the injuries) AND he was a proper championship contender. Lorenzo is not, IMO. And his attitude confirms it.
He shouldn't have raced in China and should have made an attempt of recovering for the FIVE races we'll be having for the next six weekends. Instead he will be racing injured in all of them, running the (very real) risk of aggravating is situation.
He is supremely talented, but a "thinker" he is not. And, against Mini-me or Rossi, or even Stoner, and in the future, maybe Dovi or Bautista, he'd better wise-up.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dOdGE.dIZ @ May 17 2008, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wrong premise. Rossi wasn't nearly as injured as Chupaboy "seems" to be (he does like to play for an audience, but he really looks stiff and uncomfortable, and the doctors wouldn't make up the injuries) AND he was a proper championship contender. Lorenzo is not, IMO. And his attitude confirms it.
He shouldn't have raced in China and should have made an attempt of recovering for the FIVE races we'll be having for the next six weekends. Instead he will be racing injured in all of them, running the (very real) risk of aggravating is situation.
He is supremely talented, but a "thinker" he is not. And, against Mini-me or Rossi, or even Stoner, and in the future, maybe Dovi or Bautista, he'd better wise-up.
I don't agree with any of your post. In his accident at Ramshoek, Vale sustained a nasty injury to a bone in his wrist called the pisifrom, which seriously hampered his ability to brake. This was still impeding him in the next race at Donington - most felt that he shouldn't have ridden becuase he also ran the very real risk of aggravating the situation; but he did, and salvaged nine points as a result.
Many would disagree with your assertion that Lorenzo is not a champion contender. He's on 74 points and second in the championship above both Rossi and Stoner. Do you mean that in view of the fact that we're only four races gone and in view of his injuries then he's likely to fade during the year?
I think Lorenzo is more intelligent than you give him credit for - granted not on the level of Vale or Dani. When he first appeared in 125's he was wild and had little in the way of racecraft. This continued somewhat to 250's, but last season he had clearly really come of age. Behind the bravado and the machismo is a lad who's matured greatly, and is more calculated than you probably appreciate. His pass on Valentino at Estoril, was brilliantly executed, and worthy of the great man himself.
He shouldn't have raced in China and should have made an attempt of recovering for the FIVE races we'll be having for the next six weekends. Instead he will be racing injured in all of them, running the (very real) risk of aggravating is situation.
He is supremely talented, but a "thinker" he is not. And, against Mini-me or Rossi, or even Stoner, and in the future, maybe Dovi or Bautista, he'd better wise-up.
I don't agree with any of your post. In his accident at Ramshoek, Vale sustained a nasty injury to a bone in his wrist called the pisifrom, which seriously hampered his ability to brake. This was still impeding him in the next race at Donington - most felt that he shouldn't have ridden becuase he also ran the very real risk of aggravating the situation; but he did, and salvaged nine points as a result.
Many would disagree with your assertion that Lorenzo is not a champion contender. He's on 74 points and second in the championship above both Rossi and Stoner. Do you mean that in view of the fact that we're only four races gone and in view of his injuries then he's likely to fade during the year?
I think Lorenzo is more intelligent than you give him credit for - granted not on the level of Vale or Dani. When he first appeared in 125's he was wild and had little in the way of racecraft. This continued somewhat to 250's, but last season he had clearly really come of age. Behind the bravado and the machismo is a lad who's matured greatly, and is more calculated than you probably appreciate. His pass on Valentino at Estoril, was brilliantly executed, and worthy of the great man himself.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dOdGE.dIZ @ May 17 2008, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wrong premise. Rossi wasn't nearly as injured as Chupaboy "seems" to be (he does like to play for an audience, but he really looks stiff and uncomfortable, and the doctors wouldn't make up the injuries) AND he was a proper championship contender. Lorenzo is not, IMO. And his attitude confirms it.
He shouldn't have raced in China and should have made an attempt of recovering for the FIVE races we'll be having for the next six weekends. Instead he will be racing injured in all of them, running the (very real) risk of aggravating is situation.
He is supremely talented, but a "thinker" he is not. And, against Mini-me or Rossi, or even Stoner, and in the future, maybe Dovi or Bautista, he'd better wise-up.
i agree lorenzo is very talented and doesnt think alot he seems to go out and blast it straight away there are few things as a rider he needs to learn.
he needs ..... the situation and find his limit before he just opens the throttle and dives into the corners.
although i take my hat off to him for riding injured i think people are gettin to carried away about his injuries althouh they are bad they aint that bad, i feel its more of a mental thing limiting his riding atm, he knows that if he has a bad fall with his current inujuries he could do some serious damage that could put him out a few races.
and wow nice time from pedro and edwards
He shouldn't have raced in China and should have made an attempt of recovering for the FIVE races we'll be having for the next six weekends. Instead he will be racing injured in all of them, running the (very real) risk of aggravating is situation.
He is supremely talented, but a "thinker" he is not. And, against Mini-me or Rossi, or even Stoner, and in the future, maybe Dovi or Bautista, he'd better wise-up.
i agree lorenzo is very talented and doesnt think alot he seems to go out and blast it straight away there are few things as a rider he needs to learn.
he needs ..... the situation and find his limit before he just opens the throttle and dives into the corners.
although i take my hat off to him for riding injured i think people are gettin to carried away about his injuries althouh they are bad they aint that bad, i feel its more of a mental thing limiting his riding atm, he knows that if he has a bad fall with his current inujuries he could do some serious damage that could put him out a few races.
and wow nice time from pedro and edwards
I don't think lorenzo's injuries at the start of the week-end were much of an issue, but he needed not to aggravate them. I don't think 2 falls can have helped much.
Perhaps casey should take it all back about rossi wasting bridgestone's time developing qualifying tyres; either that or it is a race in two between him and valentino.
Perhaps casey should take it all back about rossi wasting bridgestone's time developing qualifying tyres; either that or it is a race in two between him and valentino.
Nice qualifying session. Great time by Dani, just pipping Edwards at the end. Looks like it's gonna be Pedrosa, Stoner or Rossi for the win.
Well done Westy - last yet again. Keep it up, you can only move forward. That's not too say it's all that bad as the great kawasaki hope has done sweet F.A again.
Also good to see CV on fairly good pace as well. Yamahas all over the top of the grid - must be by FAR the best bike out there. Obviously the ducati is till one of the best bikes as well judging by how well they all qualified
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Hayden pulled out a half decent qualifying lap at the end but really hasn't been anywhere near the pace. Hope it rains tomorrow so we can see an Aussie quinella.
Well done Westy - last yet again. Keep it up, you can only move forward. That's not too say it's all that bad as the great kawasaki hope has done sweet F.A again.
Also good to see CV on fairly good pace as well. Yamahas all over the top of the grid - must be by FAR the best bike out there. Obviously the ducati is till one of the best bikes as well judging by how well they all qualified
Hayden pulled out a half decent qualifying lap at the end but really hasn't been anywhere near the pace. Hope it rains tomorrow so we can see an Aussie quinella.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ May 17 2008, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well done Westy - last yet again. Keep it up, you can only move forward. That's not too say it's all that bad as the great kawasaki hope has done sweet F.A again.
Also good to see CV on fairly good pace as well. Yamahas all over the top of the grid - must be by FAR the best bike out there. Obviously the ducati is till one of the best bikes as well judging by how well they all qualified
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Also good to see CV on fairly good pace as well. Yamahas all over the top of the grid - must be by FAR the best bike out there. Obviously the ducati is till one of the best bikes as well judging by how well they all qualified
1 D. PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team 1'32.647
2 C. EDWARDS USA Tech 3 Yamaha + 0.127
3 C. STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team + 0.347
4 V. ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team + 0.510
5 J. LORENZO SPA Fiat Yamaha Team + 0.622
6 N. HAYDEN USA Repsol Honda Team + 0.639
7 J. TOSELAND GBR Tech 3 Yamaha + 0.749
8 C. VERMEULEN AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP + 0.793
9 J. HOPKINS USA Kawasaki Racing Team + 0.981
10 A. DOVIZIOSO ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP + 1.042
11 L. CAPIROSSI ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP + 1.060
12 R. DE PUNIET FRA LCR Honda MotoGP + 1.076
13 S. NAKANO JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini + 1.430
14 T. ELIAS SPA Alice Team + 1.914
15 A. DE ANGELIS RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini + 2.023
16 S. GUINTOLI FRA Alice Team + 2.100
17 M. MELANDRI ITA Ducati Marlboro Team + 2.434
18 A. WEST AUS Kawasaki Racing Team + 2.702
Typical...
2 C. EDWARDS USA Tech 3 Yamaha + 0.127
3 C. STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team + 0.347
4 V. ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team + 0.510
5 J. LORENZO SPA Fiat Yamaha Team + 0.622
6 N. HAYDEN USA Repsol Honda Team + 0.639
7 J. TOSELAND GBR Tech 3 Yamaha + 0.749
8 C. VERMEULEN AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP + 0.793
9 J. HOPKINS USA Kawasaki Racing Team + 0.981
10 A. DOVIZIOSO ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP + 1.042
11 L. CAPIROSSI ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP + 1.060
12 R. DE PUNIET FRA LCR Honda MotoGP + 1.076
13 S. NAKANO JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini + 1.430
14 T. ELIAS SPA Alice Team + 1.914
15 A. DE ANGELIS RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini + 2.023
16 S. GUINTOLI FRA Alice Team + 2.100
17 M. MELANDRI ITA Ducati Marlboro Team + 2.434
18 A. WEST AUS Kawasaki Racing Team + 2.702
Typical...
