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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Oct 22 2007, 03:26 PM) [snapback]96548[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Really? Cause they didn't favour LH never before, this weekend with the tyre thing, or in Japan with the SC crash, or in Monza overtaking jumping chicanes or in Germany getting on track with a crane!
Well, handing the title to Lewis now, would be really crazy. For sure there were some ''debatable'' issues surrounding the young Brit (the things you mentioned), but now the season is over, it would be weird if they decide to take the title away from Raikkonen. I cant see it happening. That just wouldnt be fair at all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Oct 22 2007, 03:26 PM) [snapback]96548[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I would not open the Champagne yet if I were a Kimi fan (bit too late for that eh Varunica! ha ha ha).

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How did you know that??????
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Well, actually I didnt drink any champagne (yet)..only some Johnnie Walker (how ironic..since they are the sponsors of Mclaren!!!!)
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I guess all eyes now are on who goes where. Honestly i hope Alonso satys put, but i think he will probably go back to renault. I guess we'll know reansonably soon
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 22 2007, 04:26 PM) [snapback]96560[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I guess all eyes now are on who goes where. Honestly i hope Alonso satys put, but i think he will probably go back to renault. I guess we'll know reansonably soon

Yeah, within the next 2 weeks we will know. I think he might go back to Renault, but I really would like him to stay at mclaren, and prove us all why he's a double champ, by beating Lewis next season. That would be his revenge..but will he stay??? He probably misses ''daddy Flavio''
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 22 2007, 03:34 PM) [snapback]96563[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, within the next 2 weeks we will know. I think he might go back to Renault, but I really would like him to stay at mclaren, and prove us all why he's a double champ, by beating Lewis next season. That would be his revenge..but will he stay??? He probably misses ''daddy Flavio''
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I HATE flavio so much, he is the worst person ever, and i hate him grgrgrrgrrgr. Can you guess why i don't want Alonso to go back there?

I think next year willbe epic again if the Mclaren team mates are the same, whoever wins
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 22 2007, 04:37 PM) [snapback]96564[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I HATE flavio so much, he is the worst person ever, and i hate him grgrgrrgrrgr. Can you guess why i don't want Alonso to go back there?
Cause you hate Flavio??
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Or..you dont expect them to be title contenders?? If Nando re-joins Renault, you have to switch from Mclaren to Renault??? Could be tons of reasons!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 22 2007, 04:37 PM) [snapback]96564[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think next year willbe epic again if the Mclaren team mates are the same, whoever wins

Yes, agreed!!!
Should be interesting if they remain teammates. I think it will be interesting from the first race on. Not that it matters, Kimi will win the title again next season
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(Or not..whatever!!!!!)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 22 2007, 03:44 PM) [snapback]96565[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Not that it matters, Kimi will win the title again next season
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(Or not..whatever!!!!!)


Don't forget about the new rules, which will finally allow Jensen button to show his potential and be world.....................class insomnia cure/F1 mid pack driver. Oh wait he already is that
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I've heard all sorts of rumours about FA's future, IMO Renault it's still the most likely destination.

The other options seem to be Toyota, Williams and Red Bull.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 22 2007, 04:46 PM) [snapback]96566[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Don't forget about the new rules, which will finally allow Jensen button to show his potential and be world.....................class insomnia cure/F1 mid pack driver. Oh wait he already is that
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And I was under the impression you were a true Jense fan
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Oct 22 2007, 07:05 PM) [snapback]96585[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I've heard all sorts of rumours about FA's future, IMO Renault it's still the most likely destination.

The other options seem to be Toyota, Williams and Red Bull.

For his sake I hope he will go to a good team, a team who's able to win, otherwise it would be kinda sad, to see him at a lower team. I'm sure he will make the right decision. It will probably be Renault, or he might decide to stay at McLaren (but I just cant see that somehow).
 
If I were in Fernando's shoes I'd be very tempted to go to Williams or Red Bull and try to turn them into a championship winning team, like what Schumi did with Ferrari. The way I see it, he's won two titles, so he's achieved what he came to Formula One to do. It'll take a good few years of development, but he's still only 26 for christ sake. He might as well take the risk.

Although I wouldn't like to see him go to Toyota. Even with the best driver on the grid, I can't see them going places soon, unless they seriously rethink their approach.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 22 2007, 09:15 PM) [snapback]96620[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If I were in Fernando's shoes I'd be very tempted to go to Williams or Red Bull and try to turn them into a championship winning team, like what Schumi did with Ferrari. The way I see it, he's won two titles, so he's achieved what he came to Formula One to do. It'll take a good few years of development, but he's still only 26 for christ sake. He might as well take the risk.



I think you have a point. For me going back to Renault is a bit like accepting defeat (think carl fogarty 97). Even if he wins again people will say that he could only do so with flavio breathing directly into his ego. I want to see nando winning somewhere else.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 22 2007, 09:15 PM) [snapback]96620[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Although I wouldn't like to see him go to Toyota. Even with the best driver on the grid, I can't see them going places soon, unless they seriously rethink their approach.


What do you think they do so wrong? Or is it just that they spend the most money and haeven't really made progress that would represent that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 22 2007, 10:22 PM) [snapback]96621[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think you have a point. For me going back to Renault is a bit like accepting defeat (think carl fogarty 97). Even if he wins again people will say that he could only do so with flavio breathing directly into his ego. I want to see nando winning somewhere else.

Where would you want to see him win then? Mclaren?
That would be the perfect way to silence all the critics. I personally dont mind where he goes. It would be nice to see him stay where he is. Would for sure cause a lot of excitement next season.

Anyway guys, I'm pretty sad atm, cause I just realised there's NO F1 for MONTHS!!!!!!
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Of course I'm happy Raikkonen won, but now I have to wait till march. Thats gonna be soooo depressing!!!!
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I was watching the official Dutch F1 2007 season clip..damn, there were LOTS of crashes this season!!! Here, have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w2DrK0pCGA

Did you guys find some other nice clips of the season?? Feel free to share
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 22 2007, 10:42 PM) [snapback]96623[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What do you think they do so wrong? Or is it just that they spend the most money and haeven't really made progress that would represent that.

Well yeah...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 22 2007, 09:42 PM) [snapback]96623[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What do you think they do so wrong? Or is it just that they spend the most money and haeven't really made progress that would represent that.

It's alot more than just a question of money. It's this Japanese management approach that as we've seen time and time again, doesn't work in Formula One. The pace of development is so fast that teems need someone who has power above all others and can make quick decisions when needed. With Toyota, everything goes back and forth between Cologne and the boardroom in Japan. It just doesn't work. Honda are a good example of this, back when they were BAR and run by Prodrive they were making unbelievable progress. They had Dave Richards at the helm, a stable team and a good driver pairing. I think many of us, including myself, were convinced they would win a world title within the next decade. Then Honda bought them out and it all changed. From reading interviews with Nick Fry, every decision and development they now make has to go back to Japan, where they discuss, taking a fair old time to try and make sure its the right decision, before its eventually approved or dissaproved. I'm no expert on this kinda thing, but in a sport where everything moves so quickly that just doesn't seem like a good way to go about things. The results since Honda took over seem to suggest so.

You also have to question some of the decisions Toyota have made since they arrived in Formula One. In my opinion, the biggest mistake they made was getting rid of Mike Gasgoyne. In the years he was at Toyota in 2004 and 2005, you could bloody well see the improvements they were making. In 2005 they were beginning to strike regular podiums with Jarno, and it looked like they were actually about to crack it. But then after 2005, they got rid of him, apparantly because of a disagreement over 'technical operations'. From what I read, Toyota wanted more involvement back in Japan, whereas Mike wanted everything to happen within Cologne. The results since his departure speak for themselves imo.

Then theres the driver signings. First off I was never happy with the way Allan McNish was basically told to fck off, despite developing the car from scratch and showing some promise, especially his brilliant drive in Malaysia. They pretty much did the same thing with Cristiano Da Matta, he really wasn't given a fair shot either. Then they signed Jarno AND Ralf. I can understand the need to sign an experienced driver, but why the need to sign two? It seemed a strange decision even without the extortionate salary they were paying Ralf. Hopefully, now they have Timo Glock (one of my favourite drivers, c'mon Timo
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) they will make steps forward. But I doubt it to be honest. I wouldn't at all be suprised if they finally pull the plug after next season. It can't be good marketing to be mid-pack, can it? Surely they'd be much better off just being a works engine supplier to Williams, who have the expertise to win championships, but just need a steady engine partner and better funding. Honda should consider doing the same imo, they were a fantastic engine supplier.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE('Franco Fangio')<div class='quotemain'>Anyway guys, I'm pretty sad atm, cause I just realised there's NO F1 for MONTHS!!!!!! sad.gif
Of course I'm happy Raikkonen won, but now I have to wait till march. Thats gonna be soooo depressing!!!! sad.gif

I was watching the official Dutch F1 2007 season clip..damn, there were LOTS of crashes this season!!! Here, have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w2DrK0pCGA

Did you guys find some other nice clips of the season?? Feel free to share smile.gif
I know
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You've brought up something else that annoys me here, the off season in F1 is waaaaaaaaay too long. I think our sport must be the only one where the off season is nearly as long as the actual season itself. It would be brilliant if they'd run the season from February to November. They could do it if they brought in Monday or Friday testing on race weekends, and banned private testing. From my calculations, they could easily do a 22-race season, with no back-to-back races either. It'd eliminate those stupid 3-week breaks too. More racing, less testing I say. Or if they must test at the current level, at least give the fans a better insight into the latest developments, with something like a video review of each test session.

Youtube doesn't work for me
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I usually use www.motorsportmad.com or www.dailymotion.org. The FIA don't delete vids from those either.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 23 2007, 12:24 AM) [snapback]96644[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It's alot more than just a question of money. It's this Japanese management approach that as we've seen time and time again, doesn't work in Formula One. The pace of development is so fast that teems need someone who has power above all others and can make quick decisions when needed. With Toyota, everything goes back and forth between Cologne and the boardroom in Japan. It just doesn't work. Honda are a good example of this, back when they were BAR and run by Prodrive they were making unbelievable progress. They had Dave Richards at the helm, a stable team and a good driver pairing. I think many of us, including myself, were convinced they would win a world title within the next decade. Then Honda bought them out and it all changed. From reading interviews with Nick Fry, every decision and development they now make has to go back to Japan, where they discuss, taking a fair old time to try and make sure its the right decision, before its eventually approved or dissaproved. I'm no expert on this kinda thing, but in a sport where everything moves so quickly that just doesn't seem like a good way to go about things. The results since Honda took over seem to suggest so.

You also have to question some of the decisions Toyota have made since they arrived in Formula One. In my opinion, the biggest mistake they made was getting rid of Mike Gasgoyne. In the years he was at Toyota in 2004 and 2005, you could bloody well see the improvements they were making. In 2005 they were beginning to strike regular podiums with Jarno, and it looked like they were actually about to crack it. But then after 2005, they got rid of him, apparantly because of a disagreement over 'technical operations'. From what I read, Toyota wanted more involvement back in Japan, whereas Mike wanted everything to happen within Cologne. The results since his departure speak for themselves imo.

Then theres the driver signings. First off I was never happy with the way Allan McNish was basically told to fck off, despite developing the car from scratch and showing some promise, especially his brilliant drive in Malaysia. They pretty much did the same thing with Cristiano Da Matta, he really wasn't given a fair shot either. Then they signed Jarno AND Ralf. I can understand the need to sign an experienced driver, but why the need to sign two? It seemed a strange decision even without the extortionate salary they were paying Ralf. Hopefully, now they have Timo Glock (one of my favourite drivers, c'mon Timo
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) they will make steps forward. But I doubt it to be honest. I wouldn't at all be suprised if they finally pull the plug after next season. It can't be good marketing to be mid-pack, can it? Surely they'd be much better off just being a works engine supplier to Williams, who have the expertise to win championships, but just need a steady engine partner and better funding. Honda should consider doing the same imo, they were a fantastic engine supplier.
I agree, getting rid of Mike Gasgoyne wasnt a smart choice at all. I think they really shouldnt have done that. But I guess now they're paying the price, cause they SUCK (big time!!).

Also think they never really gave da Matta a real chance. I dont think he could have made a lot of difference to be honest, but I guess its just hard to tell really. I never understood why they had both Trulli and Ralf in their team. For sure it had to do with experience, but IMHO, they're just not that great. I dont wanna be too hard on them or anything, but I see them as similar drivers, both good on their day, when they have the right equipment, but never really ''great''. I guess thats the case with a lot of drivers, a lot are good, f1 worthy, but not great, not spectacular, thats ok though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 23 2007, 12:24 AM) [snapback]96644[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I know
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You've brought up something else that annoys me here, the off season in F1 is waaaaaaaaay too long. I think our sport must be the only one where the off season is nearly as long as the actual season itself. It would be brilliant if they'd run the season from February to November. They could do it if they brought in Monday or Friday testing on race weekends, and banned private testing. From my calculations, they could easily do a 22-race season, with no back-to-back races either. It'd eliminate those stupid 3-week breaks too. More racing, less testing I say. Or if they must test at the current level, at least give the fans a better insight into the latest developments, with something like a video review of each test session.

Youtube doesn't work for me
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I usually use www.motorsportmad.com or www.dailymotion.org. The FIA don't delete vids from those either.

Dont even start about the off season!!!!!!
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It's really sooooooo depressing. I'm fine atm, but I'm sure I will go crazy at some point!! I would love it if the f1 season would be longer. February till november sounds great to me
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Oh, what the heck, F1 all year LONG!!!
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I'm watching vids on youtube atm, some old MS stuff..
Guys, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqmXXCqKceU

People can say alot about MS, but that guy ENJOYED winning. Seriously, its great!!! Funny to see a young MS. I like it when he said: ''well not number one in the world, but maybe in F3 yes, that is right'' Who knew back then, that he would become one of f1's all time greatest
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DAMN, I love youtube!!!!!!!!!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 22 2007, 11:24 PM) [snapback]96644[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Then theres the driver signings. First off I was never happy with the way Allan McNish was basically told to fck off, despite developing the car from scratch and showing some promise, especially his brilliant drive in Malaysia. They pretty much did the same thing with Cristiano Da Matta, he really wasn't given a fair shot either. Then they signed Jarno AND Ralf. I can understand the need to sign an experienced driver, but why the need to sign two? It seemed a strange decision even without the extortionate salary they were paying Ralf. Hopefully, now they have Timo Glock (one of my favourite drivers, c'mon Timo
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) they will make steps forward. But I doubt it to be honest. I wouldn't at all be suprised if they finally pull the plug after next season. It can't be good marketing to be mid-pack, can it? Surely they'd be much better off just being a works engine supplier to Williams, who have the expertise to win championships, but just need a steady engine partner and better funding. Honda should consider doing the same imo, they were a fantastic engine supplier.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 23 2007, 12:42 AM) [snapback]96647[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Also think they never really gave da Matta a real chance. I dont think he could have made a lot of difference to be honest, but I guess its just hard to tell really. I never understood why they had both Trulli and Ralf in their team. For sure it had to do with experience, but IMHO, they're just not that great. I dont wanna be too hard on them or anything, but I see them as similar drivers, both good on their day, when they have the right equipment, but never really ''great''. I guess thats the case with a lot of drivers, a lot are good, f1 worthy, but not great, not spectacular, thats ok though.


Orrmate i don't know details of the japanese management statergies but I know what you guys mean about the drivers. They need experience in the team, and they need stability but they also need to employ someone fast. Truli and Ralf are a bit mediocre (as are the Honda drivers imo) and i think solid lineup is having someone experienced and stable, with someone young and fast (see BMW). I don't want to give up on the Japanese factories because i'd love to see them run at the front, i'm gonna be hoping they change something.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 23 2007, 12:42 AM) [snapback]96647[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm watching vids on youtube atm, some old MS stuff..
Guys, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqmXXCqKceU

People can say alot about MS, but that guy ENJOYED winning. Seriously, its great!!! Funny to see a young MS. I like it when he said: ''well not number one in the world, but maybe in F3 yes, that is right'' Who knew back then, that he would become one of f1's all time greatest
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DAMN, I love youtube!!!!!!!!!!!
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I hope you will be happy to supply me with videos to watch all winter. Youtube rules but i definitely can't be bothered to look for them myself!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 23 2007, 01:19 PM) [snapback]96681[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Orrmate i don't know details of the japanese management statergies but I know what you guys mean about the drivers. They need experience in the team, and they need stability but they also need to employ someone fast. Truli and Ralf are a bit mediocre (as are the Honda drivers imo) and i think solid lineup is having someone experienced and stable, with someone young and fast (see BMW). I don't want to give up on the Japanese factories because i'd love to see them run at the front, i'm gonna be hoping they change something.
Exactly!! I think one experienced driver is more than enough!! Holding on to an experienced driver and giving someone like vettel a chance would be great, cause then you would have a good combination I think. Some fresh blood is what they need, imo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 23 2007, 01:19 PM) [snapback]96681[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I hope you will be happy to supply me with videos to watch all winter. Youtube rules but i definitely can't be bothered to look for them myself!
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Well of course I will do that, you dont even have to question that!!
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Obviously I will ONLY supply you Raikkonen vids
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 23 2007, 01:50 PM) [snapback]96696[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well of course I will do that, you dont even have to question that!!
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Obviously I will ONLY supply you Raikkonen vids
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Thats fine by me, but don't go thinking you can brainwash me, you don't have the power.
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Living in england can't even make me support Lewis Hamilton so you don't stand a chance
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 23 2007, 03:21 PM) [snapback]96703[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thats fine by me, but don't go thinking you can brainwash me, you don't have the power.
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Living in england can't even make me support Lewis Hamilton so you don't stand a chance
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What makes you think I would wanna brainwash you???
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I dont want you to be a Raikkonen fan, you're not worthy enough
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(Obviously I was kidding, dont take it serious..just saying, otherwise people will think I'm actually serious)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 23 2007, 02:40 PM) [snapback]96705[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What makes you think I would wanna brainwash you???
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I dont want you to be a Raikkonen fan, you're not worthy enough
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(Obviously I was kidding, dont take it serious..just saying, otherwise people will think I'm actually serious)


I'm only good enough to be a 3rd place fan
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Maybe next year eh......

P.S. Its pretty clear you are joking
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