Formula 1 07

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 19 2007, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes I wonder why I'm watching,

I get that, and then i panic that motogp might go the same way but i dont think it will for a wile yet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 19 2007, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And YES, I will go to Spa, no need to dare me mister!!!
Just have to convince my bro first or else I just find someone else to go with, I HAVE to go!!!!!!

I'll go if its the right price.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 19 2007, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, true.
But some people in charge (I wont say any names, although it's obvious ) have the aim (or so it seems!!) to turn our beautiful sport into a circus, and we obviously still love it, how sad are we??? Sometimes I wonder why I'm watching, you usually know who's gonna win anyway, the guy on pole..
As ive said before, Im just a fan and I don't really know what I'm on about. Bernie and Max must know what they're doing to be that high up in the sport. Its good to have the manufacturers on the grid, but you need a mix. The manufacturers will only use the sport as long as they need it, and they don't bother with the fans. I can remember going to the GP at Silverstone as a much smaller and less frightening ten year old and seeing a mass of yellow around the circuit (including myself) supporting Jordan. They wouldn't win the race, we all knew that, but they were in it for the love of Formula One, not for marketing. And they did give alot back to the fans, entertainment tents after the race and stuff.

I miss Jordan

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 20 2007, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I get that, and then i panic that motogp might go the same way but i dont think it will for a wile yet.
I'll go if its the right price.
NO worries mate, I dont think Moto is heading that direction..
Or at least I hope not!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jun 20 2007, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As ive said before, Im just a fan and I don't really know what I'm on about. Bernie and Max must know what they're doing to be that high up in the sport. Its good to have the manufacturers on the grid, but you need a mix. The manufacturers will only use the sport as long as they need it, and they don't bother with the fans. I can remember going to the GP at Silverstone as a much smaller and less frightening ten year old and seeing a mass of yellow around the circuit (including myself) supporting Jordan. They wouldn't win the race, we all knew that, but they were in it for the love of Formula One, not for marketing. And they did give alot back to the fans, entertainment tents after the race and stuff.

I miss Jordan
Yeah, I do too. It was so weird to not see them in F1. It's all about money and marketing these days, and that's obviously not what the sport is about, and it's a bit painful to see what the whole thing is turning to. I know Bernie and Max are trying in their own way, but sometimes I really wonder if they really love the sport, it seems they only care about making money

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 20 2007, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but sometimes I really wonder if they really love the sport, it seems they only care about making money

i think they definately love the sport, but they have very different values and expectations of formula one compared to the average man (and you ). So they do things to ultimately help the sport which we find are totally insane and crazy, and to them our idea will be rubbish, because it may not be able to supply what they want the sport to be.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 20 2007, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think they definately love the sport, but they have very different values and expectations of formula one compared to the average man (and you ). So they do things to ultimately help the sport which we find are totally insane and crazy, and to them our idea will be rubbish, because it may not be able to supply what they want the sport to be.
THEY SUCK..BIG TIME!!!

ok ok, maybe not, but it's not nice to see what F1 is turning to, people always talking about how boring it is, it wasn't like this forever. It used to be great, I'm not even talking about WAY back, but it was still great 10 years ago (even a few years ago). Whenever I watch old dvds, which is often, I cant help thinking it was so amazing back then, I understand they had to make a lot of safety changes, but some of the changes are just not here to make it better. Everytime I see Bernie, it's like he's thinking: money, money, money!! He's too old anyway, no disrespect or anything, but man, just leave...sorry..I'm getting all frustrated now..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 20 2007, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Everytime I see Bernie, it's like he's thinking: money, money, money!! He's too old anyway, no disrespect or anything, but man, just leave...sorry..I'm getting all frustrated now..

calm down!!

I'm sure you know how i feel about bernie, i wont say it because you might get more angry and take it out on me or something

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 20 2007, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>calm down!!

I'm sure you know how i feel about bernie, i wont say it because you might get more angry and take it out on me or something
I'm all cool and calm now!!
I shouldn't let these things get to me, its not as if I can do anything to change it, so why the hell waste my time, right???

And, dont ya worry mate, I would never take it out on you!!
I'm not that mean you see

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 20 2007, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm all cool and calm now!!
I shouldn't let these things get to me, its not as if I can do anything to change it, so why the hell waste my time, right???

Yes we all must accept the things we cannot change. It still sucks a bit, but nobody can take the past away from us, so you can just watch your old vieos and appreciate them even more.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 20 2007, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And, dont ya worry mate, I would never take it out on you!!
I'm not that mean you see

Thanks, all is well in the universe and I can feel safe again

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 20 2007, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes we all must accept the things we cannot change. It still sucks a bit, but nobody can take the past away from us, so you can just watch your old vieos and appreciate them even more.
Exactly!!!!
I do appreciate it more, eventhough I didnt watch it live back then (since I was still a baby) I do love the 80's. F1 was so great back then!! Watching those old races makes me happy!!! Silly, I know..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 20 2007, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks, all is well in the universe and I can feel safe again
Good!!!!!!

Damn, this forum is addictive..going to bed now!!!!

My report from silverstone testing is this.....

Silverstone is poor, it is easily the worst major track our country has to offer, but we already new that. The real surprise was that after i bought a genral admission ticket, i found out that admission was actually heavily restricted. We were not allowed to venture beyond the entrance to turn one or beyon the exit of the Abbey chicane, which was a real shame because i wanted to watch from a few places out the other end of the circuit.

Having been given this restriction we took our seats in the main straight grandstand and i was disappointed again to find that the cars didnt look particularly fast on the striaghts. The best part of our view was seeing the image of the cars reflecting from the offices above the pitlane as they rolled down to their garages in the sunshine.

The pleasant surprise i had was just how incredibly fast the F1 cars could go round the corners, it was simply incredible watching the cars get to the end of the main straight, waiting for them to break and then dicovering that they barely had to slow down at all.

The biggest name driver present was easily Kimi Raikonen, and you could see just how fast he was compared to the others. He was using all the kirb and most of the astro turf on the outside of the final turn every single lap without any major problems and that was great to watch. Sutil span in the middle of the complex, a few cars broke down and we saw a few lockups and good saves but really no real drama took place.

Overall it was a good day and easily worth my time and money, however i have no desire to go to silverstone any time soon and the british grand prix does not appeal to me at all anymore.

Did anybody else who has been to F1 and motogp think that the F1 cars seemed quieter??

I'm still so DAMN jealous of you Tom!!!!
I already figured you were going to enjoy it.

People told me the sound of the cars/engines are incredible to hear. I love the sound of the engines, but I only know it from tv
I guess I just have to experience it myself to know what they're talking about.

Btw, did you tell Kimi he should become champion this year?
Or was he too busy drinking??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 22 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Btw, did you tell Kimi he should become champion this year?
Or was he too busy drinking??

I couldn't get close enough . They put boards up when Kimi went into the pits so we couldn't see the cocktails he was drinking!! Whatever it was worked though because he was fast.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 22 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm still so DAMN jealous of you Tom!!!!
I already figured you were going to enjoy it.

It would be difficult for any motorsports fan to not enjoy it really. One thing i particularly enjoyed was the shade of red the Ferrari is painted in. When the sun shone it looked so beautiful, and very different to what it does on the tv

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 23 2007, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I couldn't get close enough . They put boards up when Kimi went into the pits so we couldn't see the cocktails he was drinking!! Whatever it was worked though because he was fast.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 23 2007, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It would be difficult for any motorsports fan to not enjoy it really. One thing i particularly enjoyed was the shade of red the Ferrari is painted in. When the sun shone it looked so beautiful, and very different to what it does on the tv
That's true I guess.
I bet it was the best day of your life

It's so silent here...

So, we had lots of weird happenings in ferrari last week (or two... three?!)... It makes me laugh really.

...and here's practice results:

1
Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 6 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:15.382
2 5 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:15.447 0.065
3 1 Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.154 0.772
4 16 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:16.214 0.832
5 14 David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1:16.268 0.886
6 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.277 0.895
7 9 Nick Heidfeld BMW 1:16.338 0.956
8 17 Alexander Wurz Williams-Toyota 1:16.407 1.025
9 10 Robert Kubica BMW 1:16.441 1.059
10 12 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:16.603 1.221
11 18 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Ferrari 1:16.895 1.513
12 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 1:16.967 1.585
13 8 Rubens Barrichello Honda 1:16.990 1.608
14 7 Jenson Button Honda 1:17.047 1.665
15 19 Scott Speed STR-Ferrari 1:17.103 1.721
16 23 Anthony Davidson Super Aguri-Honda 1:17.166 1.784
17 11 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:17.168 1.786
18 3 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:17.226 1.844
19 4 Heikki Kovalainen Renault 1:17.348 1.966
20 15 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:17.435 2.053
21 21 Christijan Albers Spyker-Ferrari 1:18.178 2.796
22 20 Adrian Sutil Spyker-Ferrari 1:18.419 3.037

2
Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 5 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:15.453
2 6 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:15.488 0.035
3 19 Scott Speed STR-Ferrari 1:15.773 0.320
4 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.780 0.327
5 18 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Ferrari 1:15.952 0.499
6 14 David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1:15.958 0.505
7 16 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:16.003 0.550
8 1 Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.049 0.596
9 23 Anthony Davidson Super Aguri-Honda 1:16.162 0.709
10 11 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:16.184 0.731
11 3 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:16.205 0.752
12 10 Robert Kubica BMW 1:16.236 0.783
13 17 Alexander Wurz Williams-Toyota 1:16.260 0.807
14 12 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:16.285 0.832
15 7 Jenson Button Honda 1:16.395 0.942
16 15 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:16.562 1.109
17 4 Heikki Kovalainen Renault 1:16.735 1.282
18 8 Rubens Barrichello Honda 1:16.950 1.497
19 9 Nick Heidfeld BMW 1:16.968 1.515
20 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 1:17.165 1.712
21 20 Adrian Sutil Spyker-Ferrari 1:18.213 2.760
22 21 Christijan Albers Spyker-Ferrari 1:18.708 3.255

some of them interesting!

I haven't seen the quali, I forgot to tape it
I looked up the results as soon as I got home!!
Massa on pole, great to see Ferrari take another pole. Nice to see Lewis on front row
What happened to Alonso? Did he have some kind of problems in Q3???

I'm not sure what to expect from tomorrow's race tbh. It seems Ferrari made some progress, but if it will be enough is yet to be seen. I also think this track suits them well, so maybe they haven't really made a lot progress. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

Hoping for a strong Ferrari performance, cause a McLaren win is not what the championship needs (imo).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 30 2007, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What happened to Alonso? Did he have some kind of problems in Q3???

Gearbox broke!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 30 2007, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hoping for a strong Ferrari performance, cause a McLaren win is not what the championship needs (imo).

Yes i'm hoping Ferrari can hit back tomorrow.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 30 2007, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gearbox broke!!
That's a shame!! Hope he can fight his way back to the front. I'm sure he will. He's the champ and he has a great car, that + a good strategy should do the trick.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 30 2007, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes i'm hoping Ferrari can hit back tomorrow.
Yeah..
They really NEED to, they can't afford to let Mclaren win AGAIN!!
Hopefully they'll have a strong strategy AND Kimi better have a good start this time, as proven before, that's a crucial part!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 30 2007, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's a shame!! Hope he can fight his way back to the front. I'm sure he will. He's the champ and he has a great car, that + a good strategy should do the trick.

His strategy is crap since he can't change his fuel load because it was Q3, he will be much lighter than the guys inmediatly ahead and behind him.

Basically the only thing that can save him now is rain. Otherwise he's screwed, cause not only his gearbox broke down, but also had a sensor problem in the brakes in FP3 so he missed that too (could only do 1 full lap)
So his car is not set up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jun 30 2007, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>His strategy is crap since he can't change his fuel load because it was Q3, he will be much lighter than the guys inmediatly ahead and behind him.

Basically the only thing that can save him now is rain. Otherwise he's screwed, cause not only his gearbox broke down, but also had a sensor problem in the brakes in FP3 so he missed that too (could only do 1 full lap)
So his car is not set up.

thats rubbish But it gives Ferrari a better chance of getting one over Mclaren (or at least one of them)

C'mon Felipe!

I hope it rains tommorow, we need an exciting race. I have a feeling about Kubica if it rains, but otherwise I'd have to say Felipe, he seems pretty comfortable this weekend. I'm not sure what to think of Raikkonen at the moment, he said at the start of the weekend he was confident with the car, but he still isn't at the top. I'm not doubting his talent, we saw in '05 he was very quick, but if I were him I'd be starting to worry.