Formula 1 07

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We get coverage of all the races, some live some not, but i tend not to watch it because its quite long and the comentary is awful. But they came over to brands hatch and there was no way i could miss that.

yeah, and sucks being here instead of there.

GOOOOO ALONSOOOOO!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Mar 15 2007, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>GOOOOO ALONSOOOOO!!!!!
Being a Raikkonen fan this is a totally un-biased view of what i'm about to say:

I still think that Alonso is the one to beat this year, McLaren or not. Kimi Raikkonen isn't going to have a walk in the park this year and if he blows his chance this year then sod it!

After this season i'm becoming a 100% Jenson Button fan! At the moment i'm 60% Raikkonen fan and 40% Button fan. I'm really only supporting Raikkonen because he's had so much bad luck over the years and he's such a talented driver that he really deserves to win the championship! If he doesn't then sod it because he's had his fair chance!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 15 2007, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Being a Raikkonen fan this is a totally un-biased view of what i'm about to say:

I still think that Alonso is the one to beat this year, McLaren or not. Kimi Raikkonen isn't going to have a walk in the park this year and if he blows his chance this year then sod it!

After this season i'm becoming a 100% Jenson Button fan! At the moment i'm 60% Raikkonen fan and 40% Button fan. I'm really only supporting Raikkonen because he's had so much bad luck over the years and he's such a talented driver that he really deserves to win the championship! If he doesn't then sod it because he's had his fair chance!

I wouldn't say Raikonen has ever deserved the title, he has shown the potential to be a champion, but its never come together. I think this year is as good as his opertunities will come and he knows it.

As for button, he seems like a nice enough guy but he is so mediocre in every respect that hes just boring to watch, and i never epect any serious success from him. He might win a race or two though.

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Have to say I'm not happy with Jenson here, thats not the way to improve things. In fact, I might have to reconsider supporting him this year, I don't like it when drivers just blatantly give up on victory.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't say Raikonen has ever deserved the title, he has shown the potential to be a champion, but its never come together. I think this year is as good as his opertunities will come and he knows it.

As for button, he seems like a nice enough guy but he is so mediocre in every respect that hes just boring to watch, and i never epect any serious success from him. He might win a race or two though.
It's really interesting you say that. I can kinda understand why you say it, but I have to disagree. I think if he'd won in 2003 he would have deserved it.
It's almost a bit like Hayden in 2006 imo. Kimi had a lot podium finishes, but MS was the one with 6 wins (I think). Also a fact is, that Mclaren did have an inferior car (compared to Ferrari). Still Raikkonen managed to battle for the title till the very last race. That year Kimi's McLaren was reliable. Unfortunately he had a blown engine in Nurburgring, while leading the race. I used to get a bit angry when I thought about that, cause I was like ''he should have won and he would have won if it wasn't for that race..but..that's racing. Some people are also talking about how Kimi could have won in 2005, but he never was close. He did a great job, winning 7 races, but he was always 20 points behind FA, from the early races on. It's a shame we've never seen a real battle in 2005.

Anyway, CAN'T WAIT FOR THE WEEKEND!!!!!

I hope Kimi will win the race, if not..it's cool too. As long as it will be exciting I'm happy!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 15 2007, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's really interesting you say that. I can kinda understand why you say it, but I have to disagree. I think if he'd won in 2003 he would have deserved it.

If he'd won in 2003 then yes he may have been deserving, but he didnt and there are reasons for that. It takes VERY special circumstances for somebody to win a world championship and not deserve it (in my opinion anyway).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he'd won in 2003 then yes he may have been deserving, but he didnt and there are reasons for that. It takes VERY special circumstances for somebody to win a world championship and not deserve it (in my opinion anyway).
I've been thinking about that, and so far, I don't think those circumstances have ever occured (yet). The only exception is 1994 for me, illegal traction control and the Adelaide incident pissed me off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he'd won in 2003 then yes he may have been deserving, but he didnt and there are reasons for that. It takes VERY special circumstances for somebody to win a world championship and not deserve it (in my opinion anyway).
Totally understand what you're saying Tom.
I just think if someone didnt win it, but still came close, doesnt mean he didnt deserve it. Same goes for Valentino last year. I definitely think NH deserved the title, but imho Rossi did too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 15 2007, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Totally understand what you're saying Tom.
I just think if someone didnt win it, but still came close, doesnt mean he didnt deserve it. Same goes for Valentino last year. I definitely think NH deserved the title, but imho Rossi did too.

Hmm, i guess thats a valid point. BUT, winning the title includes beating all of the competition, so by losing to Hayden (in this example) rossi did not deserve the title. Close but no cigar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmm, i guess thats a valid point. BUT, winning the title includes beating all of the competition, so by losing to Hayden (in this example) rossi did not deserve the title. Close but no cigar.
Close indeed..
I definitely understand what you're saying man. That's why every champion deserved to win his title in the end, cause they were the one with the most points in the end, and that's all that matters. I definitely agree with you on that.
But when I say I think Rossi deserved it too has nothing to do with me supporting the guy. In my opinion he did a fantastic job, coming back from 51 points down. I actually thought it was already over by that time, but he proved me wrong. Only for that reason I felt he deserved it. And about Kimi, well..like I said before, in 2003 he had the inferior car compared to Ferrari, but he still managed to fight till the end. That's why (imo) he also would have deserved it. I think he did a great job that season. Eventhough he lost out, I still enjoyed watching him race very much! It was a great season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 15 2007, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Close indeed..
I definitely understand what you're saying man. That's why every champion deserved to win his title in the end, cause they were the one with the most points in the end, and that's all that matters. I definitely agree with you on that.
But when I say I think Rossi deserved it too has nothing to do with me supporting the guy. In my opinion he did a fantastic job, coming back from 51 points down. I actually thought it was already over by that time, but he proved me wrong. Only for that reason I felt he deserved it. And about Kimi, well..like I said before, in 2003 he had the inferior car compared to Ferrari, but he still managed to fight till the end. That's why (imo) he also would have deserved it. I think he did a great job that season. Eventhough he lost out, I still enjoyed watching him race very much! It was a great season.

I kind of agree again. Not trying to say that the losing driver in either of these situations has done anything but an incredible job, and hasn't been riding/driving as a champion would. But if a competitor sets the bar that little bit to high, they have fallen short. And thats why at the end one guy always deserves the title and the others however close, do not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 15 2007, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_new...es_art_id=30742

Have to say I'm not happy with Jenson here, thats not the way to improve things. In fact, I might have to reconsider supporting him this year, I don't like it when drivers just blatantly give up on victory.
Well he's only being honest, that's what us British are good at! I pretty much laughed when I saw that article though, but Button is Button. He's a critic of himself and always see's the reality! I'm still supporting him here, fair does!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I kind of agree again. Not trying to say that the losing driver in either of these situations has done anything but an incredible job, and hasn't been riding/driving as a champion would. But if a competitor sets the bar that little bit to high, they have fallen short. And thats why at the end one guy always deserves the title and the others however close, do not.
I guess we have to agree to disagree then
Like I said in my other post, I definltey agree that the champ deserves it, but I still think it's not unfair to say that the one who came really close also deserved to win. That's my opinion anyway...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 15 2007, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess we have to agree to disagree then
Like I said in my other post, I definltey agree that the champ deserves it, but I still think it's not unfair to say that the one who came really close also deserved to win. That's my opinion anyway...
At the end of the day everyone has their own opinions I suppose and most people think differently than one another. I really do think that due to Kimi's results over the past few years that he deserves a championship under his belt, but welcome to motorsport!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 15 2007, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After this season i'm becoming a 100% Jenson Button fan! At the moment i'm 60% Raikkonen fan and 40% Button fan. I'm really only supporting Raikkonen because he's had so much bad luck over the years and he's such a talented driver that he really deserves to win the championship! If he doesn't then sod it because he's had his fair chance!
Ah but does talent really mean they deserve a title? Talent is just something you're born with.. I think hard work and dedication are more deserving

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 15 2007, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah but does talent really mean they deserve a title? Talent is just something you're born with.. I think hard work and dedication are more deserving
Fair point mate, and if what your saying is right then Raikkonen doesn't deserve a title whereas people like Schumacher do, and they end up winning the title. (Even though he has skill as well as dedication etc).

Then again do people who are so naturally talented, cool and chilled out need to work as hard as others? The others are just trying to keep up with the naturally talented ones and trying to beat them, if the naturally talented drivers keep on winning then surely they still deserve the title?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 15 2007, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair point mate, and if what your saying is right then Raikkonen doesn't deserve a title whereas people like Schumacher do, and they end up winning the title. (Even though he has skill as well as dedication etc).

Then again do people who are so naturally talented, cool and chilled out need to work as hard as others? The others are just trying to keep up with the naturally talented ones and trying to beat them, if the naturally talented drivers keep on winning then surely they still deserve the title?
It really depends on your view of things mate.. I think for me personally I look at people who are hard workers as more deserving, I think it means more to them.. but yeah I see where your coming from.. But imagine if Raikkonen spent more time developing the car as well as his talent? He could be a bloody brilliant driver

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 15 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It really depends on your view of things mate.. I think for me personally I look at people who are hard workers as more deserving, I think it means more to them.. but yeah I see where your coming from.. But imagine if Raikkonen spent more time developing the car as well as his talent? He could be a bloody brilliant driver
He could indeed, and this is why this is turning into a good debate. If Raikkonen really tried as hard as possible to help set up the car then he'd win the world championship no-matter what, Alonso wouldn't get near him, but the type of person he is doesn't allow him to do this so he's going to find it harder to win.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 15 2007, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair point mate, and if what your saying is right then Raikkonen doesn't deserve a title whereaspeople like Schumacher do, and they end up winning the title (Even though he has skill as well as dedication etc).

Then again do people who are so naturally talented, cool and chilled out need to work as hard as others? The others are just trying to keep up with the naturally talented ones and trying to beat them, if the naturally talented drivers keep on winning then surely they still deserve the title?
Exactly!!!!
Schumacher is way more talented than Kimi. Kimi is...well..he's a great driver imo, but I also think he's not as determined as Michael for example. Kimi is a bit lazy when it comes to developing. I wish he wasn't, cause if he would care about that, it would make him even better. And he's already kinda good I would say. I do not doubt kimi's desire to win. Its just that he's lazy when it comes to developing. I wish he would change that..