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Look at the title and his quotes. Is there a contradiction here? The title is sensationalism. I suppose some people just can't help themselves.
Fall out from the loss of Marco Simoncelli
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Look at the title and his quotes. Is there a contradiction here? The title is sensationalism. I suppose some people just can't help themselves.
This accident has nothing to do wth tires, protection or electonics.......it was Marco trying to save a crash...plain and simple!!! Look at the video guys he was actually savin that slide out. the only problem was that the bike came back ino the race line. Only GOD could have prevented what would have come next and that is the reality of things
You're not disagreeing with me. Criticism and praise is fine, relentless hate is another. This is the point I'm making.
I completely agree. Good post. I can't think of anything which would have averted that crash. It's an inherent risk of the activity.
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Nice try, but interpreting sentences is difficult when you omit 90% of the sentence which gives context to the words that you emboldened.
I said "an obsession with relentlessly criticizing someone" (the exact words I used) is equivalent to hate. Unless you disagree?
As you can see:
"Criticism and praise is fine, relentless hate is another. This is the point I'm making."
"I've been making this point for a while. It's really sad to see people not able to enjoy the sport and the show these guys put on, rather than being obsessed with criticizing A, B or C relentlessly."
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Norah Head
Just have a sit and relax for a while RCV, everyone is upset and its hard to say things rationally at such times.
I'm just thinking of those left behind.
I probably should have posted this here but ..... meh.
"Think of Kate Fretti, How her possible dreams and life plans have been abruptly changed and the hurt she must have gone through.
Beautiful young girl who obviously spent some good times with Marco and was likely very attached to him, probably the closest person of all to him. She seemed very left alone on the day, but that's how everyone was affected by shock I would think ..... it must have been hardest of all for her .......
I just hope she got the assistance she would have needed on the day and after the event, and that she will need into the future.
Think of the parents,
Think of Rossi and Edwards, they must be going through the worst of times."
Thats what matters now.
I dont think anyone involved in motogp and especially riders will/should change their mindset, style or anything else, since they all knew the risks from long time ago and theyr much more in love with racing than to fear the death. From time to time one of them will die in a crash and that's inevetable, but some of the crashes are avoidable and some are never avoidable like Mraco's crash. That could never be prevented.
Another things which usually happen in these kind of situations like knee jerk reactions by organizers or blaming other people/things and also getting mad at those who in the past have criticised or fought with our lost loved ones is not only useless but also unclassy and childish.
Another things which usually happen in these kind of situations like knee jerk reactions by organizers or blaming other people/things and also getting mad at those who in the past have criticised or fought with our lost loved ones is not only useless but also unclassy and childish.
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"At the race on Sunday, circuit personnel acted speedily and professionally to attend to Marco as soon as the accident happened." http://www.crash.net..._statement.html
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqZNsDx_WCo[/media]
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i do not want to blame the track marshals. sorry if this was too harsh in the first version. but Kato's accident/rescue just comes up to my mind. and one might assumed that someone has learned from this.
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqZNsDx_WCo[/media]
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i do not want to blame the track marshals. sorry if this was too harsh in the first version. but Kato's accident/rescue just comes up to my mind. and one might assumed that someone has learned from this.
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Norah Head
In the "scheme of things", do you really want to go there? Might be good to get rid of that or reword it to commend the good job they did. They were obviously desperate and working very fast to attempt to change what appeared to be a very bad outcome.
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Really! In a very tense and dramatic environment, someone tripped, so what. I wonder what its like to live in some of these peoples perfect world where nothing ever goes wrong.
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edited the text above.
however, to clarify my position: the problem sits elsewhere, not with the marshals. why on earth did they have to run through the grass? have to carry him over the guardrail in order to reach a car that is parked in the bumpy grass? what is the use of having a mile of runoff area if there is no access to the track, where that damn ambulance car was supposed to be? we are talking fall out, and everyone's talking safety measures. that's an issue that needs to be addressed, and that is my point, nothing more.
however, to clarify my position: the problem sits elsewhere, not with the marshals. why on earth did they have to run through the grass? have to carry him over the guardrail in order to reach a car that is parked in the bumpy grass? what is the use of having a mile of runoff area if there is no access to the track, where that damn ambulance car was supposed to be? we are talking fall out, and everyone's talking safety measures. that's an issue that needs to be addressed, and that is my point, nothing more.
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Its a fair point, and it certainly belongs in this thread. I think a few need to realize this thread is intended for this kind of discussion, while the RIP thread is for remembrance and condolences. As you say, this thread is aptly named. Perhaps these are not discussions that some are ready to handle, in which case I would ask them to stick to the RIP thread, otherwise, discuss it in a measured way. People have opinions and also going to vent regarding particulars, while others will disagree. The exchanges are helpful if done without unraveling into a long drawn out argument.
Regarding your point. In this case, Sadly, I honestly think Marco was instantly killed on impact. Whoever, your point would be of concern if the rider would had sustained injuries that a few extra moments could have saved his life. Again, in this case, I doubt anything could have been done.
Welcome to the forum, please continue to post.
Compare this scene to the way an American football player is completely immobilized by professionals before ever being moved at all when there is a upper torso injury. This is completely outrageous and primitive treatment of an individual with upper torso trauma. Regardless of how critical shape he was in. The trauma and vitals stability equipment and personnel should be deployed to the location. We build multimillion dollar facilities and motorcycles and then drag someone off the track in this manner is just unacceptable.
I swear there should be a chopper with a trauma team at the ready sitting in the paddock all weekend long ready to land right on the track with a mobile trauma center.
I'm still emotional over the loss of this young man.
I swear there should be a chopper with a trauma team at the ready sitting in the paddock all weekend long ready to land right on the track with a mobile trauma center.
I'm still emotional over the loss of this young man.
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