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Fall out from the loss of Marco Simoncelli

Sometimes it's easier to come to terms with tragedy if there is someone or something to blame. I dont think anyone or anything was to blame today. Nothing could have been done to prevent this. We just have to come to terms with the fact that his time was up.



I think you're right. I wasn't trying to blame anyone really, just wondering if anything could be changed. Looks like nothing can be done, really. Two riders died in similar circumstances on 600cc bikes (Jones and Tomizawa). Jamie Hacking came close twice: first in AMA Supersport, then in DSB.
 
Do any of you guys think the Bridgestones will be considered as a contributing factor in the nature of the accident? Haven't heard any rumblings about them just yet...wouldn't be surprised if it came up though.



I would suspect more attention being given to Sic hanging on for as long as he did instead of just letting the bike go. The best racers always think they can save it. Gut wrenching...
 
I think MotoGP, Rossi and Edwards will return in Valencia. We'll see heartfelt tributes to Marco. I think the feelings expressed will be genuine. Once that has taken place, I believe the show will go on. I also believe it should!



Every individual who was involved in or even witnessed this accident was aware of the risks. In that sense, there were no victims, no innocents. Those who shared with Marco his victories and successes were acutely aware of the risks taken to achieve them. Marco himself had surely decided that the rewards justified the risks. I think its fair to say that every rider on the grid has come to that very same conclusion. We should take this as fact and press on. To do anything less is to infer that we weren't aware of the dangers at the onset. I think everyone involved was, and that's why I believe Valencia will run as scheduled.



"Safety is acceptable risk where risk depends on the probability and severity of injury."(Lowrance, W) This is the calculation that takes place in the minds of everyone involved.... the organizers, participants and even the fans. We're all aware. I offer that we must be to find the spectacle so moving in the first place. Unfortunately, in the coming weeks we'll witness the gnashing of teeth and the public proclamations of "blame determination." This is what makes the assessment of blame such an absurd exercise in the first place. I believe it's disingenuous. There is no blame. Or, if you will, the blame lies squarely with the participants, organizers and fans. This is our spectacle, our gladiator arena. Every so often, we lose our battle with acceptable risk. We're made aware of the consequence of daring choices (to race). We should digest this and move on.



What should we take from this? That racing is spectacular and dangerous. That riders race for intangibles represented by trophies and money. The are victims only of their motivations, passions and talents. We should applaud them and admire them, completely. We should forgive them their petty indiscretions and shower the sport with our patronage and admiration. We should not participate in the placing of blame and responsibility. We all knew what we signed up for. It cannot be denied. Own it, and get on with the racing.



Marco will be remembered for his skill and charisma. We do not honor him by deciding that his risks were too great. To do so would be to call him a fool. To do so would be to indict ourselves of the same charge for watching. I do not believe that he squandered his life, quite the opposite!



I look forward to the tributes and remembrances.........I also say bring on Valencia!
 
Do any of you guys think the Bridgestones will be considered as a factor in the nature of the accident? Haven't heard any rumblings about them just yet...wouldn't be surprised if it came up though.

Hard to say. Depends on how much rain fell on the circuit, and on which parts, and how much the track temperature dipped, if any, from its 130F temperatures for the start of the 125 race. Also, it was the second lap so there should be some heat in the tires even if the track temperature dipped. It was a far cry from Assen.
 
I think MotoGP, Rossi and Edwards will return in Valencia. We'll see heartfelt tributes to Marco. I think the feelings expressed will be genuine. Once that has taken place, I believe the show will go on. I also believe it should!



Every individual who was involved in or even witnessed this accident was aware of the risks. In that sense, there were no victims, no innocents. Those who shared with Marco his victories and successes were acutely aware of the risks taken to achieve them. Marco himself had surely decided that the rewards justified the risks. I think its fair to say that every rider on the grid has come to that very same conclusion. We should take this as fact and press on. To do anything less is to infer that we weren't aware of the dangers in the first place. I think everyone involved was, and that's why I believe Valencia will run as scheduled.



"Safety is acceptable risk where risk depends on the probability and severity of injury."(Lowrance, W) This is the calculation that takes place in the minds of everyone involved.... the organizers, participants and even the fans. We're all aware. I offer that we must be to find the spectacle so moving in the first place. Unfortunately, in the coming weeks we'll witness the gnashing of teeth and the public proclamations of "blame determination." This is what makes the assessment of blame such an absurd exercise in the first place. I believe it's disingenuous. There is no blame. Or, if you will, the blame lies squarely with the participants, organizers and fans. This is our spectacle, our gladiator arena. Every so often, we lose our battle with acceptable risk. We're made aware of the consequence of daring choices (to race). We should digest this and move on.



What should we take from this? That racing is spectacular and dangerous. That riders race for intangibles represented by trophies and money. The are victims only of their motivations, passions and talents. We should applaud them and admire them, completely. We should forgive them their petty indiscretions and shower the sport with our patronage and admiration. We should not participate in the placing of blame and responsibility. We all knew what we signed up for. It cannot be denied. Own it, and get on with the racing.



Marco will be remembered for his skill and charisma. We do not honor him by deciding that his risks were too great. To do so would be to call him a fool. To do so would be to indict ourselves of the same charge for watching. I do not believe that he squandered his life, quite the opposite!



I look forward to the tributes and remembrances.........I also say bring on Valencia!

Very well said, man.
 
Valencia Has To Be Raced...for the respect for Marco because I’m sure that he wouldn’t have wanted the sport that he loved so much to stop because of him!



I lost my brother in a bike accident in 1981 when we both were riding 1100 Katana’s (what a fine bike) he was 29 and I was 26 and married with 2 kids and that didn’t stop me because I knew that my brother Peter loved riding and I continued riding as a tribute and respect to him!



I have nothing more to say except "RUN VALENCIA"!!!



For once I agree with you.



I think it's better to get back riding again (after showing the proper respect/allowing time to grieve) as soon as possible and as the Motogp championship is already decided, the riders may be a tiny bit restrained in the last race. It will probably feel wrong to them but the sooner they do it, the sooner they will be able to move on mentally.
 
Sometimes it's easier to come to terms with tragedy if there is someone or something to blame. I dont think anyone or anything was to blame today. Nothing could have been done to prevent this. We just have to come to terms with the fact that his time was up.





Davide Brivio on twitter said that what happened with Simoncelli was a series of coincidences.



Every time a rider feels they are losing the front or loses the front, they try to catch it. Remember Mick Doohan crashing at Southern Loop? at Phillip Island in 1997. Mick rode half the corner on his knee but lost it anyway that day into the gravel trap. Sic managed to catch it and regain traction yesterday. His lanky frame may well have had a lot to do with him regaining. Either way, the coincidences started - Sic was just ahead of a few of the pursuing pack and was trapped in the worst possible position. There were a number of other coincidences but really contrasting Mick Doohan losing it into relative safety when he was doing exactly the same thing as Sic shows that it could have been any rider in that race.



Sadly, as cold as it sounds, his time must have been up yesterday.
 
Perhaps the organizers should look at implementing an auto kill switch to stop the engine in the event of a crash, Marco's bike definitely pushed him into that fatal situation because the engine was still running.
 
Perhaps the organizers should look at implementing an auto kill switch to stop the engine in the event of a crash, Marco's bike definitely pushed him into that fatal situation because the engine was still running.



What about the rider that has a simple low side and want's to re-enter the race? His race would be over.



In the end, you cannot mitigate all risk.
 
What about the rider that has a simple low side and want's to re-enter the race? His race would be over.



In the end, you cannot mitigate all risk.

Agreed & there are many instances of riders getting back on to achieve solid places/points, then again riders may take less risks if they know their race will end ...
 
I think the organizers should hand out 150,000 Marco wigs at Valencia. He would have pissed

Himself if he could see that
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Pretty sure they will certainly hold a race of some sort in valencia. MOTO2 title is still not decided.
 
Motogp should still run in valencia , i'm sure every team on the grid including 125 & moto2 teams will be paying tribute. Maybe in motogp all riders could run #58 or honda teams could run a special livery.
 
I expect to see bike #58 parked somewhere at Valencia and hope that it spends a level of time in pit lane and on the grid.







Personally, I like the tribute local sidecar racers use when they sadly lose one of their own. They do not start from the first row as that space belongs to their lost friend.











Gaz
 
I don't think the fallout from this incident will be that significant.



They are changing to a new series next year. As much as we like to debate safety we cannot foresee and then prevent every type of accident from happening. I remember a significant number of accidents and saves from having a front tyre lose grip and then regain traction.



Some have ended in high sides, others the rider have ridden away,



There is an inherent risk with all form of motor racing. Every one of these guys knows it and they would all want the show to go on. They have a safety committee and the riders as a group have actively pursued those foreseeable and higher risk situations. The risk control is mostly with the twist of the right wrist and I (as a Simo fan and supporter) knew of all the riders in the field he was the most reckless in this regard.



This is a point that has been debated to a great degree on this forum. It is not A case of "I told you so" or any such garbage like that, we as spectators and (mostly) riders ourselves were able to recognise this.



It is the nature of young men such as Marco to take a risk and enjoy the thrill. He was interviewed the previous week in Australia by Daryl Beattie about this subject and was flippant and dismissive of the risk.He stated he just did what he felt was natural on the bike.



He will have to be replaced at Gresini (Dovi, Bautista et al come to mind). Another younger rider might move up (Marquez?)



The show will go on.



This is an incredibly sad event and a huge loss but it will not spell any great change for the sport once the tears have dried and dust has settled.
 
The Moto2 WC Bradl would be a good bet.



I think Dovi has too much respect for himself to answer the knock on the door if it came.



In regards to blaming tyres or formula's, all racing happens at the limit regardless of where the limit is. To suggest that any rule can eliminate risk just flies in the face of reality. I can think of no law or rule invoked by man that has eliminated the behaviour that it intended to eliminate. Doesn't stop "The Man" from invoking them though!
 
Interesting reads. At the end of the say Marco knew the risks and he took them to pursue his passions. No one can be blamed for the incident but Marco himself and no amount of analysing in the world will tell us something that only Marco Simoncelli will ever know for sure; what went wrong in the final few seconds of his life. To me, it was a freak accident and too many knee-jerk reactions could kill the sport. The rider know the risks, the riders accept the risks, they are paid millions of pounds a year to take the risks and follow their passions and I know that not one would even think for a microsecond about walking away from it if they were given the choice right now.



Strength comes from unity, and continuing racing. I love the wigs idea, and maybe the front row can be 'reserved' for Marco at the final round with his number and flag writtin into the pole grid slot. As for the point of this thread, yes i got to thinking about what reactions will occur from this, including who will ride the Gresini Honda next year, and if it will even be a works bike.



But thats for another day
 
Still thinking about it the morning after. I agree with most of what has been said, and will write it off as one of those accidents that, sadly, will happen from time to time.



As stated above, the rules for the bikes are radically different next year, and it should be remembered that one of the reasons for the 800s was Kato's crash, and general safety concerns with the 990s. Given the unintended consequences of other changes, the last thing we need is a knee jerk reaction.



I am glad that race control seem to have taken on board the criticism from Tomi's accident, although they had less choice with Simo in the middle of the track.



It is a time for respect and reflection for the man.



That just leaves a huge WTF with the BBC. I remember the feelings of relief, joy (and some incredulity) when they said Tomi was conscious, only to brought down even harder by the truth later. As a result, yesterday the similar news was greeted with feelings of skepticism, sadly to be proved correct.
 
agostini blaming the tires. what a disgrace. end of the day the 16 other riders didnt crash, and marco has been crashing 1st lap once too often. rider error is to blame not tires. and in many cases this year, the best laps has been set on the first 2-3 laps of the race and on full fuel.
 

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