Estoril RACE Thread

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 6 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>



Ducati make better looking bikes than anybody.

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 7 2009, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati make better looking bikes than anybody.
But they rattle

 

[Geonerd]

Did Rossi really say what's quoted here?

(I know the source is a Spanish racing rag.)

From http://www.motocuatro.com/noticia.php?idNoticia=480
Furusawa was at Estoril to calm Rossi down. Furusawa's plan was to attend Sepang and Valencia, but felt a need to see Rossi earlier, also in response to rumors that Rossi and Burgess had visited Ducati's factory in order to sound out a move there. Rossi and Uccio were in such a hurry to leave Estoril Sunday night that Uccio nearly scraped the motorhome on the fences on the way out. Rossi: "I want to spend my last active years in peace. I want to spend it with family, without pressure, nerves and stress that is provoked every Thursday I arrive at the circuit, and spend the whole day tense because a boy who is 10 years younger and hungry for titles is hounding me on and off the track. I'm too old for this sort of thing."

And you thought Casey was moaning!

It seems Valentino's Great Wall is no longer enough sufficient to keep him happy. Does anyone else think we won't see him sharing a garage with Lorenzo next year?

 

[SuperShinya56]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Oct 7 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did Rossi really say what's quoted here?

(I know the source is a Spanish racing rag.)

From http://www.motocuatro.com/noticia.php?idNoticia=480
Furusawa was at Estoril to calm Rossi down. Furusawa's plan was to attend Sepang and Valencia, but felt a need to see Rossi earlier, also in response to rumors that Rossi and Burgess had visited Ducati's factory in order to sound out a move there. Rossi and Uccio were in such a hurry to leave Estoril Sunday night that Uccio nearly scraped the motorhome on the fences on the way out. Rossi: "I want to spend my last active years in peace. I want to spend it with family, without pressure, nerves and stress that is provoked every Thursday I arrive at the circuit, and spend the whole day tense because a boy who is 10 years younger and hungry for titles is hounding me on and off the track. I'm too old for this sort of thing."

And you thought Casey was moaning!

I seems Valentino's Great Wall is no longer enough sufficient to keep him happy. Does anyone else think we won't see him sharing a garage with Lorenzo next year?


I think Lorenzo is the source of all this unhappiness and moaning that Rossi is displaying. Rossi's little mind games ain't working this time around leaving Rossi puzzled and pointing fingers. This guy is probably the biggest complainer in the paddock, as I've said before don't let his happy go lucky image fool you.... it's all an act, and Lorenzo is slowly breaking him down and revealing the real Rossi.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Oct 7 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And you thought Casey was moaning!

Only twice have I heard of Rossi considering retiring: after 07, and now. Not sure how this compares; leaving for 3 races vs. leaving the game all together...over pressure. Ah pressure, its a mothafuker, eh.

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 7 2009, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Only twice have I heard of Rossi considering retiring: after 07, and now. Not sure how this compares; leaving for 3 races vs. leaving the game all together...over pressure. Ah pressure, its a mothafuker, eh.

i did have a picture but ben has turned off the uploads so this will have to do.

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[clarkjw]

Rossi was right about the tires in 2007 and the HP disadvantage in 2007 & 2008.

Yamaha let Jorge sign a 1 year deal. Basically they gave Lorenzo equal status in the team. If this were SBK, he'd be wrong to complain about Jorge. But when you develop a bike and actually create new parts for it, you should have some say on when anyone else gets your work. The only thing JL doesn't get is the big money, yet. Rossi & Burges totally remade Yamaha. They owe him.

He may also be salty cause Lorenzo's theatrics and speed seem unsurpassable.

 

[mjpartyboy]

Rossi had a bad race, finished fourth, and was still nine seconds ahead of fifth.

 

[SackWack]

It's nice seeing the GOAT race someone on equal equipment

I don't give a .... who developed it. Of course something in the back of my head thinks that JLo won't have a problem when Rossi leaves or he goes off on his own.

 

[clarkjw]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 7 2009, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's nice seeing the GOAT race someone on equal equipment

I don't give a .... who developed it. Of course something in the back of my head thinks that JLo won't have a problem when Rossi leaves or he goes off on his own.
In an interview with Italian magazine 'Riders' Lorenzo states: “My truth is that Valentino has developed the Yamaha from 2004, but if we’re talking about setting up the bike during race weekends, it’s absolutely not true that I copy his settings.”

“I have my crewchief, he sets my bike up. To tell the truth in some races, it’s Valentino’s team that copies my settings. It’s normal. I can see Valentino’s telemetry data and he can see mine; we can look at his settings and he looks at ours.”

With just three races remaining on the 2009 calendar and just 18 separating Lorenzo and arch rival Rossi, it's easy to see why the Spaniard is keen to stand his ground:

“I’d like to say that from one race to another, I change very few things, and I’m almost sure that in some races, Valentino’s team has changed his set-up to follow our indications. Each weekend I’m fast from Friday. If I copy his, I’d be fast only on Saturday or Sunday.”

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 7 2009, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi was right about the tires in 2007 and the HP disadvantage in 2007 & 2008.

Well buddy, how may riders do you recall threatening to retire while Rossi was getting exclusive Saturday night special tires advantage for all those years? The Michelin was clearly a better tire on some tracks, where they came 123 on 07.

HP advantage vs handling advantage, the Yamaha handled hand and fist better than the Ducati. Stoner out classed Rossi on an inferior handling bike because he rode around the problems, something Rossi was not able to do. There always seems to be a reason or other for Rossi losing. He had the better all around bike then and now, period.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Yamaha let Jorge sign a 1 year deal. Basically they gave Lorenzo equal status in the team. If this were SBK, he'd be wrong to complain about Jorge. But when you develop a bike and actually create new parts for it, you should have some say on when anyone else gets your work. The only thing JL doesn't get is the big money, yet. Rossi & Burges totally remade Yamaha. They owe him.

Well bro, so Colin Edwards had no part in developing the Yamaha? That's interesting because I distinctly remember many saying Edwards has been Rossi's test mule.

The riders are paid for their services; Yamaha is the proprietor of development, NOT the rider. Also, its common knowledge that Loris Capirossi developed the 07 Ducati of which Stoner inherited, this is why it makes sense that the manufactures are proprietors of development. Rossi didn’t win anything alone, Yamaha provided him an excellent bike. ...., with him threatening to leave every time the going gets tough, I wouldn't feel I owe him anything. Especially him making his whining about Lorenzo's signing so public. It simply makes him look like a .... while he was trying to make Yamaha look bad Ya feel me brohamski?

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 8 2009, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In an interview with Italian magazine 'Riders' Lorenzo states: “My truth is that Valentino has developed the Yamaha from 2004, but if we’re talking about setting up the bike during race weekends, it’s absolutely not true that I copy his settings.”

“I have my crewchief, he sets my bike up. To tell the truth in some races, it’s Valentino’s team that copies my settings. It’s normal. I can see Valentino’s telemetry data and he can see mine; we can look at his settings and he looks at ours.”

With just three races remaining on the 2009 calendar and just 18 separating Lorenzo and arch rival Rossi, it's easy to see why the Spaniard is keen to stand his ground:

“I’d like to say that from one race to another, I change very few things, and I’m almost sure that in some races, Valentino’s team has changed his set-up to follow our indications. Each weekend I’m fast from Friday. If I copy his, I’d be fast only on Saturday or Sunday.”

This all seems a bit hard to believe, if VR is copying JL's settings then why is he 23 seconds off the pace? Quite arrogant from JL but good PR for the championship! It is easy to sprout after a good win like Estoril, but he seems to be counting his chickens way too early, PI and Malaysia are two of VR's favorites.

Speaking of copying, JL should have mentioned his post race antics, wonder where he got that from? I'm of the belief that JL has certainly copied and gained greatly from Burgess and Rossi's work on the M1, past and present.

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 8 2009, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well buddy, how may riders do you recall threatening to retire while Rossi was getting exclusive Saturday night special tires advantage for all those years? The Michelin was clearly a better tire on some tracks, where they came 123 on 07.

HP advantage vs handling advantage, the Yamaha handled hand and fist better than the Ducati. Stoner out classed Rossi on an inferior handling bike because he rode around the problems, something Rossi was not able to do. There always seems to be a reason or other for Rossi losing. He had the better all around bike then and now, period.




Well bro, so Colin Edwards had no part in developing the Yamaha? That's interesting because I distinctly remember many saying Edwards has been Rossi's test mule.

The riders are paid for their services; Yamaha is the proprietor of development, NOT the rider. Also, its common knowledge that Loris Capirossi developed the 07 Ducati of which Stoner inherited, this is why it makes sense that the manufactures are proprietors of development. Rossi didn’t win anything alone, Yamaha provided him an excellent bike. ...., with him threatening to leave every time the going gets tough, I wouldn't feel I owe him anything. Especially him making his whining about Lorenzo's signing so public. It simply makes him look like a .... while he was trying to make Yamaha look bad Ya feel me brohamski?

Your man has more than a few whinges about HRC did he not, and he only contributed 1 title not 3......we know you hate Rossi but give us reasonable reasons. All the manufactures play games with their riders, I feel though that Yamaha might have gone a bit far here as HRC did a while back and look where they are now, battling for 3rd everytime....

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 7 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's nice seeing the GOAT race someone on equal equipment

I don't give a .... who developed it. Of course something in the back of my head thinks that JLo won't have a problem when Rossi leaves or he goes off on his own.
NEAR EQUAL. It’s not equal when you're waiting for parts that the other guy has already.

I accept Rossi developed much of the bike (I would have thought Jeremy Burgess had some input), but its not like Yamaha kept Edwards around because they thought he would win a title. Fact is, Edwards was an integral part of development of Rossi's Yamaha today, something that now has suddenly been forgotten as the new theme has been on the rise--casting a diminishing light on Lorenzo's performance because "its on the laurels of Rossi" etc. The truth is (and Sacky you might appreciate this) that Lorenzo UNLIKE Edwards or Hayden has the clout that only can come from a Spanish or Italian rider to demand "equal" treatment. Just like Honda now saying Dovi gets "equal treatment to Peders.

Here what I find so funny. Rossi’s probably gonna win the title anyway, so all this posturing, threatening, and public whining makes him look like a total jerk.

Pressure, its a mothafucka.

 

[SuperShinya56]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 7 2009, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi was right about the tires in 2007 and the HP disadvantage in 2007 & 2008.

Yamaha let Jorge sign a 1 year deal. Basically they gave Lorenzo equal status in the team. If this were SBK, he'd be wrong to complain about Jorge. But when you develop a bike and actually create new parts for it, you should have some say on when anyone else gets your work. The only thing JL doesn't get is the big money, yet. Rossi & Burges totally remade Yamaha. They owe him.

He may also be salty cause Lorenzo's theatrics and speed seem unsurpassable.

Rossi works for Yamaha, not the other way around. So what if you develop a championship bike from scratch, you're helping the team AND yourself out anyhow. And if the information is there to help the other teammate, then information should be shared to increase the chances of the team winning a championship. Yamaha should dump Rossi just like how Honda did.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 7 2009, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This all seems a bit hard to believe, if VR is copying JL's settings then why is he 23 seconds off the pace? Quite arrogant from JL but good PR for the championship! It is easy to sprout after a good win like Estoril, but he seems to be counting his chickens way too early, PI and Malaysia are two of VR's favorites.

Speaking of copying, JL should have mentioned his post race antics, wonder where he got that from? I'm of the belief that JL has certainly copied and gained greatly from Burgess and Rossi's work on the M1, past and present.

I had predicted that Lorenzo would start to feel the ire of the Mindless. J4rno was the first one to blast the first salvo, I know somebody like you wouldn't be too far behind.

I'm sure if Lorenzo is not speaking the truth that Rossi will correct him, so don't worry.

Wow, Rossi is still 18 points ahead, and likely to win the title, but you seem so worried.

Just goes to show you that if somebody on near equal equipment can beat Rossi, it sure says something about all the years he enjoyed unfair advantages, eh. Oh, but Rossi never loses right, its always the:

1. inferior tires
2. inferior bike
3. inferior power
4. Jeremy Burgess (as I read lately)
5. Lorenzo only doing good because Rossi developed singlehandedly

6. what's next?

Ah so Tapla, what are the reasons we should start hating Lorenzo?

1. Copies post race antics
2. Copies data
3. ...

Talpa, I don’t hate Rossi; people like you always equate exposing the other side of the argument as hating. Unlike you, I have an actual grip on reality. Plus, I take immeasurable pleasure in making your weak Rossi fanboy arguments and making them reflect the mushy brain that spawned them.

Talpa, I don’t hate Rossi; people like you always equate debating the other side of the argument as hating. Unlike you, I have an actual grip on reality. Plus, I take immeasurable pleasure in making your weak Rossi fanboy arguments reflect the mushy brain that spawned them. I admire the man, but I can also admit when, on the rare occasion, he's been beat...unlike you.

 

[clarkjw]

Jum,

I know you're right on most counts. But I think Rossi should still be pissed. JL is beating him on his own bike and doesn't have to develop ..... As far as Colin being a test mule, I doubt it. Maybe for tires, not for hardware. I'll agree, Yamaha owns all the parts and should do as they wish.

Id really like to see Rossi go to Ducati rather than retire to F1.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 7 2009, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But I think Rossi should still be pissed.

I hear you bro, and yeah I agree, its the human thing to feel. Yes, I would be pissed too. But I don't think Rossi developed alone. But I'll concede, he did the brunt of the work along with Burgess the genius.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>JL is beating him on his own bike and doesn't have to develop .....

Yes, this must be very frustrating to Rossi. Imagine how Loris felt after developing the Ducati only to get relegated to the latrine that is Suzuki? Its an unfair world, but I think Rossi has more than usual been on the winning end of most outcomes.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As far as Colin being a test mule, I doubt it. Maybe for tires, not for hardware. I'll agree, Yamaha owns all the parts and should do as they wish.

Uhm, I'm pretty sure it was more than tires. If I run across something I'll post up a link regarding his development duties concerning components.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Id really like to see Rossi go to Ducati rather than retire to F1.

This would be the ultimate! If anybody could do it, it would be him and Burgess. Sadly though, I think Rossi, like Lorenzo are only using Ducati as a bargaining chip. But yes, it would be something special if the man ended his career on a Ducati. If he managed to win a title on it, I'm affraid Italy would literally sink into the Mediterranean, nothing could follow that.

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 8 2009, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

I had predicted that Lorenzo would start to feel the ire of the Mindless. J4rno was the first one to blast the first salvo, I know somebody like you wouldn't be too far behind.

I'm sure if Lorenzo is not speaking the truth that Rossi will correct him, so don't worry.

Wow, Rossi is still 18 points ahead, and likely to win the title, but you seem so worried.

Just goes to show you that if somebody on near equal equipment can beat Rossi, it sure says something about all the years he enjoyed unfair advantages, eh. Oh, but Rossi never loses right, its always the:

1. inferior tires
2. inferior bike
3. inferior power
4. Jeremy Burgess (as I read lately)
5. Lorenzo only doing good because Rossi developed singlehandedly

6. what's next?

Ah so Tapla, what are the reasons we should start hating Lorenzo?

1. Copies post race antics
2. Copies data
3. ...

Talpa, I don’t hate Rossi; people like you always equate exposing the other side of the argument as hating. Unlike you, I have an actual grip on reality. Plus, I take immeasurable pleasure in making your weak Rossi fanboy arguments and making them reflect the mushy brain that spawned them.


HA HA HA, to be honest we all have no idea who copies what, as I said, so once again you are full of .... dude, on the contrary all of your points seem to reflect a great hatred for VR what else can we ascertain from this king of mindless dribble......your conspiracy theories are getting extremely old as well, you are wrestling with the pigs too much here and acquiring some of their traits.....

 

[Pigeon]

if rossi gets stressed on a thursday.etc it sure is good medicine.look what getting stressed has done for him maybe casey could take a leaf out of rossi's book.