Estoril RACE Thread

[Pinky]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Oct 5 2009, 05:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i feel the yam is now lacking just a little acceleration after de-tunning the motor as pedro and stoner seemed to pull away on the straight's


looking forward to the next race

you fell ......... pedrosa was never next to rossi on the striahgt so how could u tell. and stoner caught rossi on the straight coz of stoners better exit on the final corner and slipstreaming, anyways stoner passed rossi on the 2nd corner and easily pulled away from him.

another excuse that rossi didnt win coz somehow his engine was somehow miracoulsy turned down. lol u think jeremy burgess would allow that? or even VR? ffs people rossi lost fair and square just accept it

 

[jazkat]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Oct 5 2009, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you fell ......... pedrosa was never next to rossi on the striahgt so how could u tell. and stoner caught rossi on the straight coz of stoners better exit on the final corner and slipstreaming, anyways stoner passed rossi on the 2nd corner and easily pulled away from him.

another excuse that rossi didnt win coz somehow his engine was somehow miracoulsy turned down. lol u think jeremy burgess would allow that? or even VR? ffs people rossi lost fair and square just accept it

wasnt making excuses for rossi's performance today you ...-burger.... he didnt have the pace to race anyway.

and yes the yam engines are detuned to save motor life where as honda didnt bother... if you read interviews and other things instead of posting ..... on the forum then maybe someone would take u seriously


i wasnt just onabout today, its just an observation of the honda recently (since the engine rule) and ducati today, maybe i should have put them in different sentences and stated that.

....so you do sort of have a point on that, its my mistake.

one of the guys explained why and said rossi may have had traction probs for the weekend so it was probably that....it would exlain why others were getting better drive out of the corners and having better pace.......

i gave stoner credit for todays performance and im happy he has returned so dont be an ... and make out im making excuses cos he finished before rossi. ....

 

[frizzle]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 5 2009, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how many members here are going to PI ? are you all going to do an aussie meet up ??


I'll be there. Hopefully all 3 days but definitely Saturday & Sunday.
Bought a 400mm zoom for the dslr camera recently so will post some shots.

 

[Andy Roo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Oct 5 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im headed down to the island armed with my silly CV#7 floopy hat,fold out chair and clothes for all four seasons

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 5 2009, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'll be there. Hopefully all 3 days but definitely Saturday & Sunday.
Bought a 400mm zoom for the dslr camera recently so will post some shots.


Haven't been on for a while - work is SOOOOO f'busy.

I have my three day pass and main grandstand seat as well. Didn't get accom at the island and I'm on the bus everyday from melbourne which sucks (5.30am wake up).

 

[J708]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Oct 5 2009, 07:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haven't been on for a while - work is SOOOOO f'busy.

I have my three day pass and main grandstand seat as well. Didn't get accom at the island and I'm on the bus everyday from melbourne which sucks (5.30am wake up).


Hey Andy. Good to know you're working in a time like this

 

[ganz]

Hey, why didn't anybody mention that Burgess is run out of rabbits?
You know, the only common opinion on this forum is that Burgess is some kind of magician, who saves Rossi all the time. But why does Jorge get better setup almost each race?

 

[awn1981]

so what are the odds for a vermuelan win at the Island? Or an aussie one-two

and where is jumkie, I need an explanation from Hayden's perspective

 

[inam22]

Congrats to Lorenzo for excellent weekend and on great win. Great comeback from CS and for once even Rossi couldn't catch Pedrosa.Bad day at work for Rossi he quickly realised that he is in trouble and setteld for some important points now he must be counting on 2 of his favourite track next on calender.

Race itself was boring but it was very important one from championship point of view.

 

[J4rn0]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Oct 5 2009, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey, why didn't anybody mention that Burgess is run out of rabbits?
You know, the only common opinion on this forum is that Burgess is some kind of magician, who saves Rossi all the time. But why does Jorge get better setup almost each race?

That's a very relevant note and an interesting question, +1

Rossi haters very quickly credit JB when #46 wins, but promptly forget about Burgess when Rossi loses due to a wrong setup

Truth is, neither VR nor JB are magicians. They love to work together, they won a hatful of titles, still sometimes they can get it wrong. That's it.

IMHO, the "secret" to Lorenzo's speed is not a better setup... it is the combination of the Yamaha, the best handling bike of the moment, with his style which comes straight from 250 and is ideally suited to these Bridgestone-shod 800cc, which must be ridden like 250's, at high corner speeds and leaning angles.

Rossi's (his own admission) began to actually re-adapt his style to 250 standards in 2008. He had not raced on 250s since 1999--had to completely forget them to adjust to the 500cc, then adjusted to the 990 (more similar to the 500). His adaptation is still not perfect. "Setup" problems derive from that, he says he must improve some more...

 

[ganz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 5 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's a very relevant note and an interesting question, +1

Rossi haters very quickly credit JB when #46 wins, but promptly forget about Burgess when Rossi loses due to a wrong setup

Truth is, neither VR nor JB are magicians. They love to work together, they won a hatful of titles, still sometimes they can get it wrong. That's it.

IMHO, the "secret" to Lorenzo's speed is not a better setup... it is the combination of the Yamaha, the best handling bike of the moment, with his style which comes straight from 250 and is ideally suited to these Bridgestone-shod 800cc, which must be ridden like 250's, at high corner speeds and leaning angles.

Rossi's (his own admission) began to actually re-adapt his style to 250 standards in 2008. He had not raced on 250s since 1999--had to completely forget them to adjust to the 500cc, then adjusted to the 990 (more similar to the 500). His adaptation is still not perfect. "Setup" problems derive from that, he says he must improve some more...

You may be right, but if it's Rossi's style that causes problems, then it's taking too long for him to adapt.

 

[VHMP01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Oct 5 2009, 06:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You may be right, but if it's Rossi's style that causes problems, then it's taking too long for him to adapt.

1.- I just think they had a night out instead of work, work, work and messed up.

2.- It could be the colors, just did not combine with yellow.

3.- Rossi is plain heavier by moon’s gravity. Etc.

I think Rossi simply got a bad race. I also think Rossi loved 500s & 990s a lot more than 800s (as I do). But he has been in the fight for it always, so as you recon Ganz, he has adapted alright.

 

[M1fan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Oct 5 2009, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey, why didn't anybody mention that Burgess is run out of rabbits?
You know, the only common opinion on this forum is that Burgess is some kind of magician, who saves Rossi all the time. But why does Jorge get better setup almost each race?

Spot on its all ...... JB's fault

 

[Pinky]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 5 2009, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's a very relevant note and an interesting question, +1

Rossi haters very quickly credit JB when #46 wins, but promptly forget about Burgess when Rossi loses due to a wrong setup

Truth is, neither VR nor JB are magicians. They love to work together, they won a hatful of titles, still sometimes they can get it wrong. That's it.

IMHO, the "secret" to Lorenzo's speed is not a better setup... it is the combination of the Yamaha, the best handling bike of the moment, with his style which comes straight from 250 and is ideally suited to these Bridgestone-shod 800cc, which must be ridden like 250's, at high corner speeds and leaning angles.

Rossi's (his own admission) began to actually re-adapt his style to 250 standards in 2008. He had not raced on 250s since 1999--had to completely forget them to adjust to the 500cc, then adjusted to the 990 (more similar to the 500). His adaptation is still not perfect. "Setup" problems derive from that, he says he must improve some more...

blah blah blah. riding is riding. what you got against riding a 250 style whatever the .... that means? is riding a 250 style belittling to VR?? yeah VR and CE has said its more a 250 style which means you have to be more gentle with the brakes, more gentle with the accleration, what is wrong with that? it take fucke skill to feel the bike, someone like hayden doesnt have that finess.

if you dont like it go to wsbk.

 

[J4rn0]

Great. Let Pinky wear his leathers and teach VR on track how to do it. What's the big deal, indeed...

 

[jazkat]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 5 2009, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great. Let Pinky wear his leathers and teach VR on track how to do it. What's the big deal, indeed...

the only leathers pinky has are these.....

and the only thing he can ride is a ladyman so cant imagine him putting in a good laptime riding a he-she around estoril....

 

[BarryMachine]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 6 2009, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great. Let Pinky wear his leathers and teach VR on track how to do it. What's the big deal, indeed...

No I think Pinky has one up on us here, didn't Rossi actually wear Pink/y's leathers at Assen once?

 

[Keshav]

Okay - so it was a boring race. But it was great to watch anyhow. I've been up
in the Himalayas, no internet, rarely near a phone or even real toilets for a
month, so imagine the look on my face when I got back to a hotel in Delhi turned on the
TV and found they were running the whole day-before practice session from
start to finish with not one stinking commercial. Same for race day - all three
races with a brief commercial just after the post podium interviews, and that's
in ....... backwards India. Just makes me hate Speed Channel that much more.
Gotta say, it was great to see Stoner looking healthy and and happy. In post-race
interview he said they only figured out the health issue basis a week-and-a-half
before Estoril! Lorenzo rode flawlessly. Nicky must be wishing he'd taken a ride
in Superbike. I don't think he's going anywhere with the Ducati - tho I'd love to
see him prove me wrong. Re: de-tuned engines for Yamaha, I think they must
have forgotten to pass the message on to Lorenzo's garage.

 

[jazkat]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 6 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okay - so it was a boring race. But it was great to watch anyhow. I've been up
in the Himalayas, no internet, rarely near a phone or even real toilets for a
month, so imagine the look on my face when I got back to a hotel in Delhi turned on the
TV and found they were running the whole day-before practice session from
start to finish with not one stinking commercial. Same for race day - all three
races with a brief commercial just after the post podium interviews, and that's
in ....... backwards India. Just makes me hate Speed Channel that much more.
Gotta say, it was great to see Stoner looking healthy and and happy. In post-race
interview he said they only figured out the health issue basis a week-and-a-half
before Estoril! Lorenzo rode flawlessly. Nicky must be wishing he'd taken a ride
in Superbike. I don't think he's going anywhere with the Ducati - tho I'd love to
see him prove me wrong. Re: de-tuned engines for Yamaha, I think they must
have forgotten to pass the message on to Lorenzo's garage.

dont be a ........ i mentioned this before this weekends race, it was mentinoed in a press conferance on motogp site the sametime as pedro said there engines hadnt been touched.

and i didnt say rossi didnt win cos of the engine, everyone has a bad weekend now and again.

rossi was off the pace all weekend

 

[Mastodon]

i wonder if Rossi will ask for the wall in the garage to come down now

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mastodon @ Oct 6 2009, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i wonder if Rossi will ask for the wall in the garage to come down now
Oh snap! Thats good.