donnington race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, I see, I guess that proves Lorenzo bike doesn't have the parts like Rossi since his crashed produced a DNF. (see how dumb you sound?--no, I doubt you do).

Yes, Lorenzo's bike just went down gently and slid into the tyre wall ever so softly, and the only damage was the lower spec brake/clutch lever....

Did you actually watch the race and Lorenzo's and Rossi's crash?

No-one here has mentioned the obvious . . . which is Stoner got 2 more points than Lorenzo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 26 2009, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as i've said, though they crashed, they were heading the pack. unlike not crashing, but at the tail end.

Do you understand the concept of lap times in wet conditions with slicks vs wets?

Get some sleep sweetheart, sounds like you need it. Hahahahaha.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>jums, mate, honestly, i've been trying to understand your point. but i can't. imay be i just need some sleep and then tomorrow i'll try to read it and understand it.

Good night, sweet dreams.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jul 26 2009, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, Lorenzo's bike just went down gently and slid into the tyre wall ever so softly, and the only damage was the lower spec brake/clutch lever....

Did you actually watch the race and Lorenzo's and Rossi's crash?

Your point was not about slow crashes, but better more innovative parts. Do you just type and not pay attention to what you write--yes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you understand the concept of lap times in wet conditions with slicks vs wets?

Get some sleep sweetheart, sounds like you need it. Hahahahaha.



Good night, sweet dreams.

LOL...yeah yeah yeah, good night, errr, good morning everyone. now, behave yourselves until i come back tomorrow. no one's around to supervise you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 26 2009, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LOL...yeah yeah yeah, good night, errr, good morning everyone. now, behave yourselves until i come back tomorrow. no one's around to supervise you
Whoo who, party time!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your point was not about slow crashes, but better more innovative parts. Do you just type and not pay attention to what you write--yes.

Your point was about how Jorge had a slow crash which only destroyed his levers, but IF had you actually watched the race or paid attention you would have seen Jorge's crash was much more severe and damaging the bike beyond immediate continued use in the race....but that okay since he gambled by not crasing more gently....not very wise of him was it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 26 2009, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No-one here has mentioned the obvious . . . which is Stoner got more points than Lorenzo.

And he would have more than Rossi, but for one very important providential happenstance. Bikes, even in slow crashes, break parts that result in DNF. It seems Migs has not been paying attention to this reality.


BTW, I think I’m getting resistance on this point because people may conclude it says something about Rossi. It doesn’t. The crash was on his own, the fact that the level bent but didn’t snap is providence. Does this make Rossi a bad guy, hahaha, of course not. I just don’t think people are willing to accept that the result could have easily been a DNF. Then those Ducati guys wouldn’t look so stupid, eh.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree. They are exciting for me, and I was yelling at my screen for Collin to GO! But in the end, Dovi, Edwards, DePuniet, really? And with Rossi's lever staying in tact, it could have been Lorenzo, Rossi, DNF, Stoner last. No, that's just wacky!

But I'll admit, it was refreshing to see three non podium finishers, all on the podium.


totally agree with on that one mate.

i think rossi lever would have been torn off if his bike hadnt of slid on soggy grass

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jul 26 2009, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your point was about how Jorge had a slow crash which only destroyed his levers, but IF had you actually watched the race or paid attention you would have seen Jorge's crash was much more severe and damaging the bike beyond immediate continued use in the race....but that okay since he gambled by not crasing more gently....not very wise of him was it?

Did Rossi crash?

Bikes in slow crashes never break levers? Stupid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then those Ducati guys wouldn’t look so stupid, eh.

actually jums, with all due respect and in my humblest opinion, they still would

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 26 2009, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>totally agree with on that one mate.

i think rossi lever would have been torn off if his bike hadnt of slid on soggy grass

True. I agree with you buddy. But I doubt this was part of Rossi’s calculation in gambling to stay on slicks. The thing is that people are applauding some gambles and not others, depending on their colored glasses. So, perhaps that was part of his plan all along. Gamble staying out on slicks and if a crash happens, he had the confidence that his lever wouldn't break because it was soggy?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 26 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>actually jums, with all due respect and in my humblest opinion, they still would
They still look stupid because their gamble didn't pay off? Your entire argument hindges on Rossi's lever. Both should have been DNFs and Ducati would be looking smart? Focus girl. There is much to be said about calculating risk.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jul 26 2009, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your point was about how Jorge had a slow crash which only destroyed his levers, but IF had you actually watched the race or paid attention you would have seen Jorge's crash was much more severe and damaging the bike beyond immediate continued use in the race....but that okay since he gambled by not crasing more gently....not very wise of him was it?

Really, this was my point? Haha, read it again. I take no joy in debating people with an uncanny ability to miss the point, repeatedly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really, this was my point? Haha, read it again. I take no joy in debating people with an uncanny ability to miss the point, repeatedly.

You are right, I did miss you point.....but that okay since you didnt have one in the first place, other than to try and show how much of a genius decision it was on the part of the Ducatis riders to use rain tyres on dry track....how could I have missed that one....It must have been because of the actual results of the race....thanks for setting my straight Jum -

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really, this was my point! Ducati build .... bikes and thier riders on occasion make some dumb ... decisions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They still look stupid because their gamble didn't pay off? Your entire argument hindges on Rossi's lever. Both should have been DNFs and Ducati would be looking smart? Focus girl. There is much to be said about calculating risk.

I really don't care about the lever. Riders still crash on dry tracks with slicks on. That's my take on the yamaha crashes. tough luck that it was both of them. but it was just the usual rider's crash on any given normal race. but to have wet tyres on a track that's not even slightly wet?

hey, i'll stop now. i wouldn't get you. you wouldn't get me. i could drag this on and on. you can do the same. but i don't think we'd agree on this.

Ok, I gotta go now. But in conclusion, Ducati had to take a gamble to advance on Yamaha. This was a calculated risk, had it not been for one little clutch lever staying in tact, the gamble would have paid off. It was a wise decision considering that both Yamahas would have had DNFs, turns out only one had a no finish. Its not enough for Stoner to finish one or two positions above Rossi, so they gambled. It didn't pay off.

Yamaha took a gamble by starting on slicks, it was a failure for both factory riders resulting in CRASHES FOR BOTH (fact)! One was able to continue--providence (or for the non believer, happenstance)! The gamble paid off.

When a gamble pays off is does not inherently mean its a wise or unwise risk. Ducati's gamble almost paid off, any reasonable person could see that with the very likely hood of two DNFs by rivals (just happened to be one).

This argument should not be understood as a dig at any rider, especially Rossi and Stoner. Both did what they had to do, Stoner needed to take a big risk, Rossi only needed to play it save, Lorenzo had to do what Rossi does no matter what, both on same ..... All three did exactly this. Some got pay off some lost out. Kudos to all three, and all the rest of the riders for trying to make the best of their championship chances.

that was a Very exiting race .

Dovi was on fire, after a few bad races and a few good results by Pedrosa, he knew he had to get a podium or even better a win to make any chance of staying with Honda for the next season.

Poor Lorenzo, was talking about his confidence in wet races yesterday, and i really thought he had this in his pocket.

I knew Vale would get greedy, and i was wishing that he and Dovi didn't colide, but didn't expect him to throw at least 9 points away for nothing.

thankfully he could continue and save that 11 points, otherwise Lorenzo and Casey plus pinky and co would lough at him.

I Think choosing those wet tyres by Casey was due to his crashes and his confidence that he wasn't 100% up for this race with the dry tyres.

He still could change his bike or tyres and lose les time, but he wasn't confident with that move.

Edwards, oh man you had your best chance to score your first win and bring your tongue out once and forever, but you preferd to make your podium a certainty.

It looks like his motivation has a direct link with Toseland's positions in races.But anyway i am happy for him, even if i wanted and expected him to win this one.

why did those guys changed their bikes with less than 10 laps to go, that gave Rossi a few places. Did they think that rain would get harder and everybody will pit after them?

anyway now that Dovi has scored his first win and De puniet and Edwards has scored their first podiums, hopefully they will get faster and mix it up more with the front runners.

What was Pedrosa's problem?


It is still tight between the Championship leaders, a dnf by Rossi and theyll be all at it again.
So there is a lot of battling out there for us to watch.

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