donnington race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 30 2009, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What if VR chooses soft/soft and JL choses soft/hard while DP chooses hard/hard - what should CS choose?

Garry
In that case he should go with soft/soft, you can't go wrong with VR choice of tyres.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 30 2009, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So should he always start on the same tyres as VR/JL/DP?

Does that mean that if they choose a hard/soft combination than he should also because he is fighting for the championship?

What if VR chooses soft/soft and JL choses soft/hard while DP chooses hard/hard - what should CS choose?

See the folly to say that one should always blindly follow the choices of others - it is not guaranteed to work or give any advantage and that is what CS wanted -an advantage and to feel safe whilst getting that advantage. Fact is that he did not get the advantage (although did not lose much either in the end) but felt safe - ah well, next time.




Garry

Sorry to butt in but I think Inam is spot on. Of course Casey should choose what ever tyres he wants in whatever conditions. I think what Iman was saying is in changeable conditions like Donny wets vs dry not different compounds. Casey should have run what the other guys were running to give him the best fighting chance(unless he's been talking to God and knows that its going to rain for sure).
Casey is a master in those kind of conditions and as Inam said he missed out in a really good opportunity and opportunitys like that don't come too often.
Yea yea but what if it rained etc etc!!! If was never the beginning of a true story. He made his choice and the race is over. End of story, lets all move along

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 30 2009, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lets all move along

i doubt it...still a bloody long time before Brno

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 30 2009, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey is a master in those kind of conditions and as Inam said he missed out in a really good opportunity and opportunitys like that don't come too often.
Exactly right. He pulled 10 seconds on rossi and lorenzo in the early laps on slicks to win the race at mugello, prior to the onset of his current malaise in the following race. He has also performed well in several similar races during his time with ducati.

I see no reason why after his mugello performance he should have been psychologically destroyed for the next race so I continue to believe he has or had a genuine physical illness. However whether he continues to have severe physical problems or has become obsessed with his health and exaggerated an underlying problem the end result is the same, unfortunately he clearly now does not believe he can compete with rossi and lorenzo on even terms.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 30 2009, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly right. He pulled 10 seconds on rossi and lorenzo in the early laps on slicks to win the race at mugello, prior to the onset of his current malaise in the following race. He has also performed well in several similar races during his time with ducati.

I see no reason why after his mugello performance he should have been psychologically destroyed for the next race so I continue to believe he has or had a genuine physical illness. However whether he continues to have severe physical problems or has become obssessed with his health and exaggerated an underlying problem the end result is the same, unfortunately he clearly now does not believe he can compete with rossi and lorenzo on even terms.
+1

Seeing his post race interview there is little else to conclude with. I truly wish him a full recovery before the nest race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jul 29 2009, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamaha!!! Im sure a million people have said it But how lucky was Rossi that he was able to get back on his bike and finish the race. Poor Jorge, that wet white line was a pain in the .... Im really hoping Rossi wont run away with the championship the rest of this season.

Rossi nearly always finishes his races when he comes off, when he came off at Valencia '06 (i think)
he rode around with a footpeg missing and half a clutch lever!
Normally the front wheel goes, he doesn't high side them. So you'd be less likely to trash the bike on a slide.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 30 2009, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry to butt in but I think Inam is spot on. Of course Casey should choose what ever tyres he wants in whatever conditions. I think what Iman was saying is in changeable conditions like Donny wets vs dry not different compounds. Casey should have run what the other guys were running to give him the best fighting chance(unless he's been talking to God and knows that its going to rain for sure).
Casey is a master in those kind of conditions and as Inam said he missed out in a really good opportunity and opportunitys like that don't come too often.
Yea yea but what if it rained etc etc!!! If was never the beginning of a true story. He made his choice and the race is over. End of story, lets all move along


No problems butting in, we all do it.

And yes, I know that Inam made the comment in relation to Donnington and have no doubt that he referred to changing conditions (or intended to). But the gist of my post is that people are making a simplistic comment that CS should do and choose the same tyre combination as his championship opponents, thus, my point is where does it stop?

And why just wet surfaces as surely the difference between hard/soft will also affect the outcome of a race just as readily as wet tyres vs soft slick (admittedly not as dramatically).

To me the other fact remains that some of the very posters in this forum have stated that they understand given the conditions at the time and those conditions arounds the track.

It is easy to say that a rider should come in and change tyres when their opponent does, but then the 'what ifs' come into play again and besides, some stay out to 'take a gamble' just as those that come in 'have gambled'.

Certainly a fit CS once pulled time in similar conditions, but CS himself says he was not and is not fit - so there is no way he would have pulled time anyway - he knew it and thus why he made the choice.







Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 30 2009, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly right. He pulled 10 seconds on rossi and lorenzo in the early laps on slicks to win the race at mugello, prior to the onset of his current malaise in the following race. He has also performed well in several similar races during his time with ducati.

I see no reason why after his mugello performance he should have been psychologically destroyed for the next race so I continue to believe he has or had a genuine physical illness. However whether he continues to have severe physical problems or has become obsessed with his health and exaggerated an underlying problem the end result is the same, unfortunately he clearly now does not believe he can compete with rossi and lorenzo on even terms.

unfortunately, i have to agree with you assessment michaelm. i was really confused with his tire choice, but what you said kinda drives it home. i was really hoping that CS was going to continue to be a threat, (and he still might) but this last race really makes me think otherwise.

With the points being so close at the top, I think stoner saw this as a chance to get an edge and it could so easily have paid off, but unfortunatley of course it didn't.

Either that or they couldn't get a dry set up!

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