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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 26 2009, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its all a conspiricy!!! Uccio paid the Ducati weather guy to tell C+N it was sure to rain

Haha, or he was giving the dude a ........ But nah bro I hear u man, I don't think that was Geo's point. It’s not a conspiracy. It just says something about the wisdom of the gamble. Was it gamble, yes. They all (everybody) took gambles, some paid off, some didn't. That doesn't make the ones who lost out stupid. As you can see, what made the ultimate difference in the Yamaha vs. Ducati strategy was one clutch lever staying in tact. Lorenzo was not so lucky.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 26 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Desperation me thinks. Rossi has messed up Caseys head
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Desperation - is the word that I had in mind - right from the start.

Don't know if I agree with 2nd part. I think Stoner is just being himself.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, or he was giving the dude a ........ But nah bro I hear u man, I don't think that was Geo's point. It’s not a conspiracy. It just says something about the wisdom of the gamble. Was it gamble, yes. They all (everybody) took gambles, some paid off, some didn't. That doesn't make the ones who lost out stupid. As you can see, what made the ultimate difference in the Yamaha vs. Ducati strategy was one clutch lever staying in tact. Lorenzo was not so lucky.

I was jokin' man. I was just thinking out loud like LEX!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 26 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Desperation - is the word that I had in mind - right from the start.

Don't know if I agree with 2nd part. I think Stoner is just being himself.


The first part I was serious. The second me trying to be funny again. Plus I was fishing for Berry but hes too long in the tooth for that
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jul 26 2009, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Since it was a riders decision and not Ducati's decision then the riders can get all the credit for their WISE gamble....
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+1 Apparently they were trying to convince the Casey and Nicky on the grid to change the tires but they said no as they thought it was unsafe. Which thinking about you can see why it could be...
 
Regardless of how you want to categorize the gamble - you have to factor in luck.
What with Stoner's recent record of 3rd places - he hasn't looked like a serious
challenger for the championship - so in that respect - the long-shot gamble wasn't
so illogical. There was more likelihood of him winning if it rained heavily - than there
was of him taking first on slicks in the dry. Desperate yes - but it takes balls to risk
it all on one throw of the dice. Sometimes that's what makes winners.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 26 2009, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The only races I will ever watch on SpeedTV are the SBK ones. I like the grid gossip and press conference from the live feed too much to miss a GP.

It was never a good strategy to run wet when you are fighting with the championship leader on slicks. It's all about where you finish relative to the contenders. Rossi and Lorenzo's crashes prove nothing. They were riding hard at the front. Dovi and Colin had the strategy perfect.

And Rossi didn't get lucky, his crashes are almost always very low speed lowslides where he's in control and trail braking. The skill is in making small mistakes.
Rossi has always had problems in the rain, especially in flag to flag racing. FACT. This race continues this fact (which undoubtedly was wisely factored into their strategy). That his lever stayed on is providence. Ducati needed to take a gamble to advance. It was a calculated risk, and a good one. What would you be saying if as it likely could have turned out BOTH FACTORY YAMAHAS WITH A DNF?

Does anybody gamble around here. You say relative to contenders. NOT CORRECT. Stoner is behind; hence he needs to take MORE RISK.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 26 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>actually it wasn't wet...it was cold and/or damp. then at one point, there was a part where the sun was shining brightly.

but okay, since everything in life is a risk, let me correct my statement

rest of the field = gambled

ducatis = gambled A LOT
Crashing on slicks. Who was gambling more? Both yamahas needed an ace. Rossi's lever produced an ace, Lorenzos produced a 2. who gambled more?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 26 2009, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was jokin' man. I was just thinking out loud like LEX!!




The first part I was serious. The second me trying to be funny again. Plus I was fishing for Berry but hes too long in the tooth for that
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Since you asked: I guess it's time to reveal late-braking news. You know how everyone was ragging
on Pinky because they saw that "he" had bookmarked Hong Kong ... Tours? Well - I have it on good authority that Pinky wasn't contemplating being a "visitor" to Hong Kong. Actually if you search the Hong Kong link under " ugly transvestites who love Australians" you will find a picture of Pinky at the computer Googling "his" favorite subject. See below.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi has always had problems in the rain, especially in flag to flag racing. FACT. This race continues this fact (which undoubtedly was wisely factored into their strategy). That his lever stayed on is providence. Ducati needed to take a gamble to advance. It was a calculated risk, and a good one. What would you be saying if as it likely could have turned out BOTH FACTORY YAMAHAS WITH A DNF?

Yes but the (heavy) rain was'nt predicted untill 5 o' clock everyone knew this, so its not that well calculated. It did rain at parts during the race but nothing major and when after those that went in for a change near the end of the race the sun came out albeit just for a few mins
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 26 2009, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Since you asked: I guess it's time to reveal late-braking news. You know how everyone was ragging
on Pinky because they saw that "he" had bookmarked Hong Kong ... Tours? Well - I have it on good authority that Pinky wasn't contemplating being a "visitor" to Hong Kong. Actually if you search the Hong Kong link under " ugly transvestites who love Australians" you will find a picture of Pinky at the computer Googling "his" favorite subject. See below.


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He must be very buzy today then
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 26 2009, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes but the (heavy) rain was'nt predicted untill 5 o' clock everyone knew this, so its not that well calculated. It did rain at parts during the race but nothing major and when after those that went in for a change near the end of the race the sun came out albeit just for a few mins

My friend, only one cloud dropping rain for 5 minutes would make the difference. This is exactly why wet races produce such odd results. It was a calculated risk, yes, but not a very bad or unwise gamble. Ask Lorenzo now had he wanted to be on rain tires. A few point would have saved his championship, now it looks bleak. In fact, Rossi would have had a DNF had it not been for one small fortune. FACT
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does anybody gamble around here. You say relative to contenders. NOT CORRECT. Stoner is behind; hence he needs to take MORE RISK.

What I said.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 26 2009, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now for the interesting bit, you guys like overtaking and close racing, we now have had 6 winners of GP's this year, anyone think its still boring? Cos the championship hasn't been this varied in years
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we all want close racing but having the weather to make this is decision isnt the way to go.

we want close racing in wet or dry... most of the close racing and freak wins have been down to the weather which sucks IMO. the racing has been very good but not the reason for it.

next year if we dont have so much rain then the usual suspects will be the ones winning.

thats why i know moto2 will be awesome same engine performance but different chassis...
the rain kind of makes it this way because the factory machines cant use there advantages which brings the racing closer from sattelite teams point of view.... and thats what u seen today...
 
Pinky is on the run, fearing for his life. He thought he had found the big time, employment by his beloved stoner as the team 'official weatherman' seems like (s)he has disappeared....

But as an aside it would seem that jumkie is willing to take up the mantle with his latest dissertations.

'part from that goood race!!!!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jul 26 2009, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not at all providence...but design....see link for an example

Oh, I see, I guess that proves Lorenzo bike doesn't have the parts like Rossi since his crashed produced a DNF. (see how dumb you sound?--no, I doubt you do).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Crashing on slicks. Who was gambling more? Both yamahas needed an ace. Rossi's lever produced an ace, Lorenzos produced a 2. who gambled more?

as i've said, though they crashed, they were heading the pack. unlike not crashing, but at the tail end.

jums, mate, honestly, i've been trying to understand your point. but i can't. imay be i just need some sleep and then tomorrow i'll try to read it and understand it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 26 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>we all want close racing but having the weather to make this is decision isnt the way to go.

Agree. They are exciting for me, and I was yelling at my screen for Collin to GO! But in the end, Dovi, Edwards, DePuniet, really? And with Rossi's lever staying in tact, it could have been Lorenzo, Rossi, DNF, Stoner last. No, that's just wacky!

But I'll admit, it was refreshing to see three non podium finishers, all on the podium.
 

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