donnington race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 26 2009, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>always the bridesmaid, never the bride
yeap i think this was his best chance ever to take his 1st win......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 26 2009, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF are you guys on about? That race blew.
Casey and Nicky are idiots.

How so? Strange your the only one (so far) to think so

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again, Ducati, specifically Stoner's two rivals actually and in fact CRASHED ON SLICKS. So to all those who will follow, equate this into your assessment.

but jums, they crashed while leading the race, instead of struggling at the very back... they gambled because they wanna be fast, but it wasn't the case. The two rivals you were talking about, sure they crashed. i say tough luck for them because majority of the field sans the two who gambled did not.

rossi and jorge = did not gamble...crashed...though vale still came in 5th

the rest of the field sans ducati = did not gamble, did not crash except for...Elias? spare me some mercy as it's very late here and i'm very sleep so i might have forgotten someone else crashing.

ducati = gambled, did not crash but where were they at the end of the race?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The gamble was not that stupid. It only looks dumb at first evaluation. If you consider the two arch rivals IN FACT CRASHED ON SLICKS! I know this fact will be forgotten as I'm sure we will have people lined up on this thread ad in the following weeks. The thing is Rossi's bike is bullet proof. Had one thing went wrong with that bike, he wouldn't have finished and the gamble would have been genius.

Again, Ducati, specifically Stoner's two rivals actually and in fact CRASHED ON SLICKS. So to all those who will follow, equate this into your assessment.


That a dumb argument. So they chose wets in the hope of Yamaha riders crashing? Dont think so. And everyone, EVERYONE, was faster the the Ducaties. They were lapped mid race. Even with both Yamahas crashing it was still a strange decision to say the least

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 27 2009, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeap i think this was his best chance ever to take his 1st win......

i, too, was hoping he'd take the win

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 26 2009, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF are you guys on about? That race blew.
Casey and Nicky are idiots.

What's up bro. I see you got up like me to watch. Haha, cool. I couldn't wait for the Speed coverage either. Wet races are all about strategy. This is why they produce odd results (fact). Before the race people devise a plan that should work and its largely based on a gamble. The thing is most everybody does the same gamble, so it doesn't look like anybody is strategizing. Ducati to a different gamble, DON'T THINK FOR A MINUTE THAT LORENZO AND ROSSI DID NOT TAKE A SIMILAR GAMBLE ON SLICKS. They did, and they both crashed FACT! The think is Rossi's bike never seems to get damaged on such situations.

Both Ducati and Yamaha took a gamble! No they are not idiots, just one plan/gamble worked. You saw the clutch lever get bent on Rossi's bike right, had it snapped off, everybody would be singing a different tune! <<<THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE GAMBLE. But surely, we will read all manner of analysis now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 27 2009, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i wonder whos stupid idea it was to start the race on wet tyre's?

wouldnt it have been easier to start with a slick then go to garage and get the bike with rain tyres on if needed?

way to much of a gamble that was

where did barry go?

This Barry?

Saw the beginning and the commentators said they were the only ones on rain ...... so that was shot, didn't expect they'd be lapped though .... and how did Hayden get behind Stoner!? last time I saw him he was up further than Stoner by quite a bit!.

The race was good though, Dovi finally got his win, he was always there just things didn't go right for him ( or so wrong for others

The best part was watching DePuniet and Edwards ..... you could almost hear them both thinking "this is it I think .... this is the one! " Would have been good for any of them to have won.

Now for the interesting bit, you guys like overtaking and close racing, we now have had 6 winners of GP's this year, anyone think its still boring? Cos the championship hasn't been this varied in years

Awesome race, indeed! At least we saw something different today. So happy for Dovizioso, I wish Nicky could be more self confident... the feeling is he was unsure about what to do and blindly followed stoner's wrong tyre choice. Ducati says it's been riders' choice. Rossi's been lucky but great to finish 5th. I'm happy also for Edwards and De Puniet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 26 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What's up with Pedrosa. Droping like a Stoner
fixed for you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 26 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>TOSELAND!!!! HAHAHA
who's toseland?


damm! that old man is so ....... awesome he still managed 5th place

dovi: ....... great he really deserved the podium after all the bad lud he had

edwards: finally a podium! why didn't you go for the win! don't play safe you're a texan man!!!

randy: i thought you were gonna fall,and you punched me right on the mouth. gooood!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The gamble was not that stupid.
it was just plain bad!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 26 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and how did Hayden get behind Stoner!? last time I saw him he was up further than Stoner by quite a bit!.
to let him have the extra point...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Jul 26 2009, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That a dumb argument. So they chose wets in the hope of Yamaha riders crashing? Dont think so. And everyone, EVERYONE, was faster the the Ducaties. They were lapped mid race. Even with both Yamahas crashing it was still a strange decision to say the least
I wouldn't expect you to understand, as your ability to reason is rather limited. The Ducatis took a gamble that the Yamahas would have some tire problem, they in fact did. (Does it have to be a crash for the strategy to be as you say "a dumb argument"? No, they just had to experience a problem, and they did, which makes their gamble not so stupid.

Did the other factories take a gamble starting on slicks? I’m assuming you answered yes. So what makes their gamble smart and Ducati’s stupid?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The think is Rossi's bike never seems to get damaged on such situations.


Thats because Yamaha in general build a better bike...

I think its a waste of time arguing this Jumkie and I think you already said it best earlier. If it had gone their way they would have looked like geniuses but it did'nt so Casey and Nicky can hold their heads high and say .... it, to Brno

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did the other factories take a gamble starting on slicks? I’m assuming you answered yes. So what makes their gamble smart and Ducati’s stupid?

It makes little difference trying to argue the gamble was a good one, since the Race is over and the result is recorded.....Stoner 14th, and Hayden 15th.....accept it and move on...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Jul 26 2009, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Awesome race, indeed! At least we saw something different today. So happy for Dovizioso, I wish Nicky could be more self confident... the feeling is he was unsure about what to do and blindly

That’s a rather ignorant statement Square. Hayden had way more to gain and far less to lose on a gamble. That's why people who are down on their luck take the long shot to win on a horse race. If anything, his gamble to run rain tires was a much better bet between the two. Does nobody here subscribe to logic?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 27 2009, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but jums, they crashed while leading the race, instead of struggling at the very back... they gambled because they wanna be fast, but it wasn't the case. The two rivals you were talking about, sure they crashed. i say tough luck for them because majority of the field sans the two who gambled did not.

rossi and jorge = did not gamble...crashed...though vale still came in 5th

the rest of the field sans ducati = did not gamble, did not crash except for...Elias? spare me some mercy as it's very late here and i'm very sleep so i might have forgotten someone else crashing.

ducati = gambled, did not crash but where were they at the end of the race?

It was worse than a gamble, something odd is going on with Stoner Normally he excels when the bike is moving around a bit, so had he stayed on slicks yeah he would have had to contend with a slippery track, but he usually does that well. He's won a fair few times in the wet now, including a very wet Donnington and a just dry Donnington. His last victory this year he went out on slicks on a partially dry track and Blitzed them.

It was not a gamble it was an odd choice, seemed very out of character for what we have seen in the past few years?
I still have in the back of my mind that maybe there is a change from Ducati on the cards for him next year, and he is looking toward that. He doesn't seem as committed, I know that at the end of last year they said overexuberance cost them so they would play it safe this year with a view toward the championship, but that was too safe.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 26 2009, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That’s a rather ignorant statement Square. Hayden had way more to gain and far less to lose on a gamble. That's why people who are down on their luck take the long shot to win on a horse race. If anything, his gamble to run rain tires was a much better bet between the two. Does nobody here subscribe to logic?

So you are saying it was a good gamble for Nicky and a bad one for Stoner....?

Congrats to 3 podium finishers…
Dovisiozo first podium and win.
Edwards let go a chance in a life time but congratulations too.
De Puniet well fought.

After all it was not such a lose for Rossi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 26 2009, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now for the interesting bit, you guys like overtaking and close racing, we now have had 6 winners of GP's this year, anyone think its still boring? Cos the championship hasn't been this varied in years

I've never said it was boring(at least I think not) but I can see why others would say that anyway to answer you Q, not since Yamaha and espically Honda have bridged that gap to Ducati. Yamaha somewhat last year but this year have pulled out ahead and Honda are following.

We need Casey back in the game big time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 26 2009, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was worse than a gamble, something odd is going on with Stoner Normally he excels when the bike is moving around a bit, so had he stayed on slicks yeah he would have had to contend with a slippery track, but he usually does that well. He's won a fair few times in the wet now, including a very wet Donnington and a just dry Donnington. His last victory this year he went out on slicks on a partially dry track and Blitzed them.

It was not a gamble it was an odd choice, seemed very out of character for what we have seen in the past few years? I still have in the back of my mind that maybe there is a change from Ducati on the cards for him next year, and he is looking toward that. He doesn't seem as committed, I know that at the end of last year they said overexuberance cost them so they would play it safe this year with a view toward the championship, but that was too safe.

Desperation me thinks. Rossi has messed up Caseys head