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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The tell tale sign that you are losing a debate is when you start to go off on tangents. Who is writing Honda off?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>the Yamaha is miles ahead of the Honda
I would call that writing them off. YMMV
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Your point was that Honda are near par with Yamaha, I disagree. But they are second best over the other factories--this is not writing them off. Honda have not had both finish riders even finish the race for several rounds now, and you want to point to some win in the rain, and some win by peders thanks to a fantastic jump, but eventually was caught, to argue your point that Honda is as good as Yamaha (or near them?) Both their riders have had several DNFs, and tires falling apart (your specialty); have you considered it can be because the Honda still sucks?
I suspect it might be influenced by the fact that this is the first full season on B.stone, yes. But that doesn't make the bike ...., just harder to set up right without enough data. And the fact that the riders DNFs and/or race injured mask the fact that the bike is good and run well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Again, here you say that Honda and Yamaha are equal ("side step").
Not at all, I'm saying that we get off track if we start discussing Honda's contract ethics and what might happen IF JLo go to Honda.



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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 27 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stevo - sounds like you were directly opposite us.
Pretty much - I've spent the last 10 minutes trying to find myself on this pic. I reckon I'm the one in black under the arrow.
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Looks like you guys were somewhere near the group of blokes dressed as medieval knights.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Jul 27 2009, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Arrabi, your Aoyama call was spot on ...Your sandwiches weren't
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Christ, I'd forgotten about them...it took us about ten minutes to work out what they were..I think Bonnie eventually got it. I don't even remember making them - I think I found them by the Foggy Esses. Anyway, they were blown away by Rog's Tandori wraps - literally.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stevo @ Jul 27 2009, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Looks like you guys were somewhere near the group of blokes dressed as medieval knights.
Nah, they were a band of St.Georges, come to do battle with Rog's tandori fuelled dragon breath
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 27 2009, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nah, they were a band of St.Georges, come to do battle with Rog's tandori fuelled dragon breath
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How true !!! Dragon breath and weak bladder summed Rog up really
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Great race, wierd but great. Good to see Dovi get the victory, I would have loved to see Randy get it, but just to see him get on the podium was great, he had a couple of moments, I was just willing him to keep it upright for the last few laps, he never backed off at all.
It was good to see someone other than the usual four on the podium it has been said that it would take a series of odd events in a race to keep them all off it, but this was that race & it was refreshing to see. Even the commentators have taken to calling them the top division & it makes races a bit less exciting when the same faces win.
Ducatis decision was odd, I guess if it had rained they'd have looked like geniuses, but it never looked like raining really hard till much later, everyone nears us was like "wtf are they thinking?"
Sad about Bradley, but he didn't do anything Lorenzo & Rossi didn't, and at least he went for it.
Stayed till the end, and got soaked walking back to the hotel. Just outside the circuit a couple of blokes smirked at us as if to say "poor .......s, getting soaked walking like that" Great thing was we back by 7.20 and just finishing dinner at about half nine when we saw the same blokes come into reception, and being told they'd have to wait till half ten for a table. I made sure to smirk, as if to say"poor .......s, taking two hours to travel two miles and now you have to wait for dinner"
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 27 2009, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nah, they were a band of St.Georges, come to do battle with Rog's tandori fuelled dragon breath
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 27 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When it happened I was thinking of keshav, gaz, and a couple of other gay-tards.
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Hey Little Man - if yer fishin' - you'll need better bait. Like the man said
you're at your limit. I joined this forum to talk about <u>racing</u>. Not to trade
juvenile, plebeian insults with high-school kids. If you ever actually show
some sign of knowing anything about racing - you'll be on my radar.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 27 2009, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks Jum - can't really say I needed rest, when I live 28 miles from the circuit, but then after qualifying on Saturday I went to a BBQ in the next village which degenerated into the usual bacchanalian debauchery, and didn't get to sleep until 2.00 am, then got up at 4.a.m - had to meet Rog at a service station on the M1 but my planned lift to get me there never materialised due to the fact that everyone was still comatosed. Grabbed a cab and was there with the big man and Bonnie at 6.00 as planned - so after two hours sleep felt like I'd just stepped off a dozen transatlantic flights instead of a 15 minute cab ride to the motorway. One can of Relentless, a bottle of wife beater and and infusion of Ska from 'DJ- Chopperman' on the car stereo and I felt ready for the day, and enthused with anticipation at the thought of Rog and Bonnie hearing the sound of these wonderful machines unleashed and barreling toward them down Craners. Actually I'd rung Rog the day before trackside during the morning practice session - the sound of a Desmosedici on full song hammering down Craners as a wake up call - (he was still in bed at the time!)

Rog's bladder, that morning, having the integrity of Alberto Puig and the constitution durability/stamina of Casey, meant that we eventually after several pit stops, made our way out field courtesy of the new tunnel at McCleans and parked our arses between Starkey's and Schwantz, where more beer was had by all. Poor Bonnie had been acting as sherpa for Rog's alcohol provisions, and so we willingly lightened the load - in my case begrudgingly (in view of the night before) when, unsurprisingly, more Stella proved to be the contents - an' if you know Rog, then you'll understand that he's not a man that tends to take no for an answer
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). Because of the night before I was topping up, and felt like I'd been fed some of Rog's Special brew by intravenous drip for the past 24 hrs. Actually, Rog was less than impressed by my Bombadier Bitter, which I'd found lying around at the end of the party I'd been at - they're so inoffensive, I suppose they'd been forgotten about as opposed to discarded, so I scooped them up and added them to my next day stash. Rog was similarly underwhelmed when I unveiled my pasta breakfast, but after sampling some of his Tandori Chicken pack up, like Special brew vs Bombadier, it's a little like making comparisons between a party popper and a 21 gun salute. I swear this was still repeating on me 24 hrs later, my arse is burbling on the overrun like a GSV exhaust system (and I only had a morsel of the stuff). Anyway, sensing that I was lamely punching like an apparent lightweight, I was keen to point out that his hero would also later be similarly indulging in a light lunch of pasta, but Rog immediately countered with the fact that he wouldn't because fat ....... Uccio had probably exhausted all the Fiat Yamaha hospitality by Friday dinner. Anyway, in my defence, I had a speed camera workshop to attend the next day, and I was a mite wary about turning up on an r1 with a small plate, black visor and a race can -breath smelling like the Park Royal Brewery, with a hint of strong curry.

I must at this point highlight the fact that I have relinquished ownership of a Canon EOS due to domestic circumstances, so official photographers for this event were Rog, Bonnie and Willski. I am also aware that this post should belong in the last Doni - so maybe Jane, Frost, Ben or Dazza would obligingly move it there for me at some point
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On the subject of which, Rog has bagged some excellent shots, following an altercation with several punters and the wire fence which I'll leave him to explain.

Wills having valiantly and heroically fended off the mayhem outside the circuit soon materialised, and another beer was had by all. Great to meet a very knowledgable like-minded racefan, who like Rog and Bonnie don't need to cower behind Google or take refuge inside their internet anonymity and are keen to share their passion for the sport and have a good crack in the process.

Perched on the hill, we awaited the races buffeted by a very strong westerly. Incidentally, Rog's chair was equipped with drink holder - (or two), mine was a cheaper more inferior version, which I hoped Bonnie would substitute when Rog dropped me off - but he was already on to the ruse. Being bereft of an armrest with a can holder is never going to be a garanteur of sobriety in the presence of Rog - or given the large stash of ale which we brought.

Regarding the race, there's nothing much I can add to the excellent observations and discussions already present on this thread. I managed to call the 125 and the 250 races - although, the 125 race being so chaotic doesn't really count, and I would never have predicted the win that Espagaro was so cruelly denied. Aoyama, I favoured because of the conditions, and what a championship ride that was. I completely ballsed up the main race prediction. I beleived that Vale would be unbeatable in the dodgy conditions, but if the track fully dried, then Dani would've cleared off. As a massive long term fan of Dovi, I knew that he loves this place, and that he had secured wins in the 125 and 250 classes but I really didn't see him bagging his first race win, and was privileged to be present.

Being at such close quarters to the racing, I can only convey the awe that we all felt toward the bravery of those riders. The dreadful conditions and the severity of the track surface toward the end of the main race did not come over on the television pictures. Seeing Edwards throttle pinned out of Starkey's and up into Schwantz, losing and saving the front, then subsequently defiantly fending off DePuniet and peeling out of that section with the same commitment in the dying laps of the race in ever deteriorating conditions - on slicks - that's what you part with your money for - and it's at times like these that you really appreciate first hand why they earn it. Rog's point about the necessity of intermediates is so compelling -why does no one act..there are lives at risk here.

I can't emphasize enough what great company Rog, Bonnie and Wills are, and racing aside, that's really what it's all about. Special thanks to Rog and Bonnie for taking a detour back into the thick of the race traffic to get me home, when a more direct route their way was possible. And thanks Rog for not leaving me roadside when I had to leap out for a piss in full view of the despairing blonde nurse in the car behind!
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I blame the flimsy bladder and old age eh Rog?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The parts I like I decided to highlight above. Wow, poetry man, straight poetry!

So glad you had a great time. Awesome!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 27 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>great post arrab, bought back a few memorys for some other storys
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im privileged to have met several members of powerslide.net inc you and willski over the last 3 years and made friends for life i hope. It doesn't matter how much you think you no, you will always learn new thing's and have great fun. all it takes is to open up and share your passion. Still the next time boys !
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Jul 27 2009, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was great meeting up. Really enjoyed the company. Nice people with a real passion and knowledge of all things bike racing....

Arrabi, your Aoyama call was spot on ...Your sandwiches weren't
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And that's what I liked the most about the day, spending some quality time with some like-minded people, we had some great conversations, a few beers, and I know we're all going to meet up again!
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I can't wait!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stevo @ Jul 27 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pretty much - I've spent the last 10 minutes trying to find myself on this pic. I reckon I'm the one in black under the arrow.
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Looks like you guys were somewhere near the group of blokes dressed as medieval knights.
Oh I see you.
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Who else thought Casey Stoner went with the wet tires to avoid battle up front?? Seems like a very odd choice given the fact that the championship leaders were all running dry. Sounds to me like he was trying to avoid confrontation, and to have an excuse for the race.
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Nice race by Dovizioso. He could of pass Rossi but instead stayed behind and kept pushing Rossi to make a mistake... and that he did. It's a freakin' conspiracy I tell you, after Rossi fell off, almost half of the riders pit in for wet tires near the end of the race just to give Rossi extra positions so he can stretch the lead over Lorenzo.

Pedrosa as usual was dropping positions more times than Roger's been dropped on his head as a baby, that's expected when conditions doesn't suit the little runt.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 28 2009, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who else thought Casey Stoner went with the wet tires to avoid battle up front?? Seems like a very odd choice given the fact that the championship leaders were all running dry. Sounds to me like he was trying to avoid confrontation, and to have an excuse for the race.
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Nice race by Dovizioso. He could of pass Rossi but instead stayed behind and kept pushing Rossi to make a mistake... and that he did. It's a freakin' conspiracy I tell you, after Rossi fell off, almost half of the riders pit in for wet tires near the end of the race just to give Rossi extra positions so he can stretch the lead over Lorenzo.

Pedrosa as usual was dropping positions more times than Roger's been dropped on his head as a baby, that's expected when conditions doesn't suit the little runt.
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my guess is you have no idea what so ever about British weather .
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 27 2009, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When it happened I was thinking of keshav, gaz, and a couple of other gay-tards.
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Took your time to re-appear - did you have to stop noting down BMI reading that you had assessed of riders to post - you shouldn't have as I am sure they appreciate your concern and insightful assistance tips.
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But you may want to read my comments on the bike pickup before you shoot - it wasn't me you were having that discussion with in fullness, although I did post my experiences and did ask if anyone knew a PT as I get fatigued when picking up to many bikes, thus I get slower. Still waiting a reply to that request.

Nice to know you call me a gay-tard - what is a 'gay-tard' - is that like a motard?

Having looked up the meaning of 'gay-tard' in urban dictionary I do not meet either of those criteria, but then if opposing opinions makes one a gay-tard then I guess we all are, but somehow I assume you were trying to insult. Shame really as I actually don't mind a little bit of fun banter but if you want to insult and insinuate then I guess you are incapable of reasoned debate as really, there is no need to stoop to insults (tells far more about you than it does those on the receiving end)

But, I am so thrilled you even remembered my name and had to group those you couldnot recall - no seriously, I am touched (but not in a 'gay-tard' way you understand) as obviously I am on your mind in some way (hopefully not in a 'gay-tard' way).



By the way, some .......os ruined that other thread as well, and I was waiting on your reply to my last post - ah well.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 28 2009, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Took your time to re-appear - did you have to stop noting down BMI reading that you had assessed of riders to post - you shouldn't have as I am sure they appreciate your concern and insightful assistance tips.
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But you may want to read my comments on the bike pickup before you shoot - it wasn't me you were having that discussion with in fullness, although I did post my experiences and did ask if anyone knew a PT as I get fatigued when picking up to many bikes, thus I get slower. Still waiting a reply to that request.

Nice to know you call me a gay-tard - what is a 'gay-tard' - is that like a motard?

Having looked up the meaning of 'gay-tard' in urban dictionary I do not meet either of those criteria, but then if opposing opinions makes on a gay-tard then I guess we all are.

By the way, some .......os ruined that other thread as well, and I was waiting on your reply to my last post - ah well.





Garry
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 28 2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sure is, goes sidways but ends up pointing in the right direction
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Don't tell anyone Roger but I reckon Motards are the best form of two-wheeled motorcycle sport.

Damn I want a motard.


Hang on, why not make MotoGP 990cc Motards?



But on a serious side - good to see your comments regarding the weather etc as I would seem to indicate a possible thinking behind the Ducati decision and being from someone at the circuit it gives a better view that TV.





Oh, and to people on the tyre side - appears as though Lorenzo was close - borrowed from a different forum who got from gpweek.com
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 27 2009, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't tell anyone Roger but I reckon Motards are the best form of two-wheeled motorcycle sport.

Damn I want a motard.


Hang on, why not make MotoGP 990cc Motards?



But on a serious side - good to see your comments regarding the weather etc as I would seem to indicate a possible thinking behind the Ducati decision and being from someone at the circuit it gives a better view that TV.





Oh, and to people on the tyre side - appears as though Lorenzo was close - borrowed from a different forum who got from gpweek.com

Why is the press wigging out about the tire choice? Who cares? If Casey and Nicky had gone out and sustained injuries in a crash, the headlines would pity the "unlucky" Ducati squad.

Stoner lost 9 or 10 points to Vale (same as finishing 3rd if Vale wins) and he gave a few points to Pedrosa. Stoner GAINED points on Lorenzo. Yet the headlines are all about the fools at Ducati and the wild scandal that took place. The BBC was the worst, neither Parrish nor Cox would shut the hell up about it.

Ducati took a big gamble, the results were embarrassing, the consequences were negligible. Besides the embarrassment, the gamble cost Ducati almost nothing in terms of the championship. Stoner could very easily have finished third behind Lorenzo and Rossi.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 28 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why is the press wigging out about the tire choice? Who cares? If Casey and Nicky had gone out and sustained injuries in a crash, the headlines would pity the "unlucky" Ducati squad.

Stoner lost 9 or 10 points to Vale (same as finishing 3rd if Vale wins) and he gave a few points to Pedrosa. Stoner GAINED points on Lorenzo. Yet the headlines are all about the fools at Ducati and the wild scandal that took place. The BBC was the worst, neither Parrish nor Cox would shut the hell up about it.

Ducati took a big gamble, the results were embarrassing, the consequences were negligible. Besides the embarrassment, the gamble cost Ducati almost nothing in terms of the championship. Stoner could very easily have finished third behind Lorenzo and Rossi.

the result for ducati/ stoner is same as finishing 4rd and ..... title
 

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