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Stupid question
I know i'm just playing along with Lex's game. Lorenzo's style has developed as it is because that is the best way in the current era, and he is the best at it. 20 years ago, he might have a traditional '500 riding style', 10 years ago he may have had the intermediate style between that and a 250 style, as was the most successful then. But here, now and in this era he has the appropriate style because he is the best rider in the world and thats what it takes
The Lorenzo Boppers are raising their ominous heads.
Yes it's funny how some people actually notice when a rider other than Rossi wins. Obviously some of you aren't so fortunate
Joined Feb 2009
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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
The Lorenzo Boppers are raising their ominous heads.
can you name one member here that would qualify as a lorenzo bopper?
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This certainly qualifies as pure bopperism -- it goes beyond acknowledging Lorenzo's actual successes, it credits him with powers that span the past as well. Wow. We are told that he would have been the best also on a 500, and on a 990.
Amazing.
By the way, so far even on a 800 (the only premier class bikes he ever rode) Lorenzo has not established a better record than Rossi, or Stoner. Actually, in the 800cc era (for the moment) he sits third. Before proclaiming him the best rider of the 800 era, better to wait the end of 2011.
This certainly qualifies as pure bopperism -- it goes beyond acknowledging Lorenzo's actual successes, it credits him with powers that span the past as well. Wow. We are told that he would have been the best also on a 500, and on a 990.
Amazing.
My point is that its pathetic to mention how useful Jorge's riding style is in a negative sense as though it's a convenience he has lucked into or a helping hand he does not deserve. Lorenzo is simply a product of his generation just like any rider from previous generations with an appropriate riding style, and he rides that way for a reason: because it works. I think its sad when people declare things in the sport 'broken' because they don't like the result, or behave as though Lorenzo hasn't worked to develop into the rider he is, riding the best bikes in the world. I'm sure some of you would asmire him more if he round around '500 style' pretending to be McCoy but that wouldn't win much so whats the point.
Before proclaiming him the best rider of the 800 era, better to wait the end of 2011.
I know, that is why i haven't
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Your Mom's House
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Tar Heel State
Look again buddy.
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nothing to see here...no way that photo is modified...
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Your Mom's House
nothing to see here...no way that photo is modified...
What, are you alluding to the odd space between Rossi and Aoyama? Yeah, it seems a bit funny, especially because he's the only one looking in a different direction. But other than that, I think its all on the up and up...
It's not a game. I want the riders to have the fuel and displacement necessary to explore new lines with both the front wheel and the rear wheel. I don't know what kind of sickness is required to force the riders onto a single line b/c "science" has already determined the fastest way around a circuit. I don't want to know what kind of sickness that is. Lorenzo has grown up in a drastically simplified era of MotoGP. Here is you bike, Jorge. Set it up, and ride.
The 990s were clumsy b/c the manufacturers were searching for ways to marry the chassis, suspension, tires, and engines to cope with an additional 50-100hp (depending upon the level of engine trim). By chopping 5L out of the fuel tank and 200cc out of the engine, they simplified the sport. The 800s are not more sophisticated, they simply removed the most difficult engineering conundrum of MotoGP (coping with horsepower) and replaced it with a tire war. The tire war was banned which has led to the fuel-efficiency war. Next year they have to homologate fuel-injection systems which basically means that the fuel economy war is now banned.
I don't know whether or not Lorenzo is a legend, but I do know that he has grown up in the new lame era of MotoGP without having previously demonstrated that he has requisite skill to ride any kind of motorcycle including the fire-breathing kind that like late-apexes. According to you, late-apexing is clumsy and unsophisticated. If that's true then you should have no problem adding more fuel and more displacement b/c clumsy, unsophisticated bikes and riders don't win races. Adding fuel and displacement would help Lorenzo, so I have to ask, why are you hating on Lorenzo like that by blocking displacement and fuel?
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
This certainly qualifies as pure bopperism -- it goes beyond acknowledging Lorenzo's actual successes, it credits him with powers that span the past as well. Wow. We are told that he would have been the best also on a 500, and on a 990.
Amazing.
By the way, so far even on a 800 (the only premier class bikes he ever rode) Lorenzo has not established a better record than Rossi, or Stoner. Actually, in the 800cc era (for the moment) he sits third. Before proclaiming him the best rider of the 800 era, better to wait the end of 2011.
Well duh, he hasnt been on the 800 for 4 years like Stoner and Rossi.
Joined Feb 2007
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Krop has bad news for Gp fans that are expecting the return of the 1000cc style we grew to love .
http://motomatters.com/analysis/2010/11/29/the_2012_motogp_revolution_part_1_the_ru.html
One last word on electronics and the 1000cc machines. Those who are hoping to see a looser style of riding, with a return of power slides and riders backing bikes into corners dirt-track-style are going to be rather disappointed. The 800s have moved electronics forward to such a degree that even the CRT machines will enter corners wheels in line, with the front wheel firmly planted on the exit and rear wheel spin kept to a minimum. Even with more fuel, more torque and more power, the fastest way around the track is 250 style, all smoothness and high corner speed.
http://motomatters.com/analysis/2010/11/29/the_2012_motogp_revolution_part_1_the_ru.html
One last word on electronics and the 1000cc machines. Those who are hoping to see a looser style of riding, with a return of power slides and riders backing bikes into corners dirt-track-style are going to be rather disappointed. The 800s have moved electronics forward to such a degree that even the CRT machines will enter corners wheels in line, with the front wheel firmly planted on the exit and rear wheel spin kept to a minimum. Even with more fuel, more torque and more power, the fastest way around the track is 250 style, all smoothness and high corner speed.
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
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Pomona NY
Look again buddy.
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Wow, Pedrosa's dislocated shoulder looks especially painful in that shot.
That last fall must have been much worse than reported.
Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
Have you considered that Lorenzo never rode in a different way? He kept his corner-speed smooth style from 125 through 250 and carried it over to MotoGP, where he found a new generation of bikes that could be ridden as he was used to (however a bit more dangerously). So how can you assume that he rides like that out of sheer adaptation, and that he could adapt to any bike in the same way because he's a genius? That's just your, let us say, enthusiastic appreciation, isn't it.
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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
Have you considered that Lorenzo never rode in a different way? He kept his corner-speed smooth style from 125 through 250 and carried it over to MotoGP, where he found a new generation of bikes that could be ridden as he was used to (however a bit more dangerously). So how can you assume that he rides like that out of sheer adaptation, and that he could adapt to any bike in the same way because he's a genius? That's just your, let us say, enthusiastic appreciation, isn't it.
yeah, i think anybody that didn't have to make switches from 250 to 500 to 990 to 800 doesn't deserve the title because clearly, winning a world title on a 800 means .... as the guy didn't have to "adapt"
just waiting for somebody to acutally be stupid enough to say that a 800cc 200+ hp 4 stroke is essentially the same as a 250cc two stroke .even if that were the case the guys still a freakin genius.since when exactly is less experience with different machinery a good thing by the way?
besides the fact that on both you need to find a line that carries maximum corner speed the two have nothing in common
i'm quite good on a mates aprilia rs50 ,does that mean i should be able to win a tile on a factory machine just because i know how to carry corner speed?give me a break
Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
Don't be obnoxious. You cannot take words out of context like that...
I was answering the opposite statement by Tom, i.e. that Lorenzo is using the ideal style for 800cc bikes, just as he would have easily used the ideal style for the 500s, 990s etc. My point being, how do you know Lorenzo could have adapted to the other bikes, as he never rode them (quite obvious, but it seems not obvious enough for you).
It seems to me some of you guys just pretend not to understand, and like to use silly debating techniques
If you continue like this, you hardly need to wait for somebody else to say stupid enough things
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