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Pretty much agree with all of your earlier posts in this thread, it seems to me that you basically think it is appropriate and admirable to be anti- the motogp establishment, with which I would mostly agree, particularly where the marlboro man who is basically a drug pusher is concerned.
I am not sure I would go all the way with you on the whining, sometimes him just calling it exactly as he sees it is misinterpreted. However he clearly does follow and is upset by his negative press, and if he is being anti -establishment including being fairly deliberately provocative at times he should fully embrace it and not be worried by his press. I think the real thing that annoys him/has annoyed him is the bike that rode itself stuff (which valentino may be in the process of disproving), particularly since he was in quite a good position to know how easy the bike was to ride
He is much less provocative and comes across with more humility with the local australian press, perhaps because he trusts them more.
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some brilliant points have been made here and i like j4rnos comparison to hailwood
correct if i'm wrong but when hailwood and agostini were teammates the two changed bikes for a test. when agostini rode hailwoods fairly bad set up machine and wasn't able to produce good lap times everybody was looking forward to what hailwood could do on agostinis perfectly set up bike.only to find out that he couldn't improve. now that doesn't mean hailwood is better than ago because a complete motorcycle racer needs to have both : talent and the ability to find a great set up and lead the engineers in the right direction.i like to think that that is stoners only shortcoming,if he had some of rossis skills there the ducati sure would have been the machine to beat right now (IF ducati were willing to sort the bike out the way he likes it ,but we'll never know for sure)
i think its a fact that stoners only fault when it comes to riding is that hes got too much of this win or crash attitude,the guy can give it all and run 20+ laps of qualifying and nothing else
but is that a bad thing?i certainly admire that...
correct if i'm wrong but when hailwood and agostini were teammates the two changed bikes for a test. when agostini rode hailwoods fairly bad set up machine and wasn't able to produce good lap times everybody was looking forward to what hailwood could do on agostinis perfectly set up bike.only to find out that he couldn't improve. now that doesn't mean hailwood is better than ago because a complete motorcycle racer needs to have both : talent and the ability to find a great set up and lead the engineers in the right direction.i like to think that that is stoners only shortcoming,if he had some of rossis skills there the ducati sure would have been the machine to beat right now (IF ducati were willing to sort the bike out the way he likes it ,but we'll never know for sure)
i think its a fact that stoners only fault when it comes to riding is that hes got too much of this win or crash attitude,the guy can give it all and run 20+ laps of qualifying and nothing else
but is that a bad thing?i certainly admire that...
For ..... sake guys, the way some of you go on puts Talps to shame. If Stoner was as good as you say he is then why has he only won 1 title in his GP Career??
Dont get me wrong i do admire his riding ability, that is only matched when other people are on fire but jeez you slate the Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Rossi & Hayden fans but you guys take the ....... pies, bisuits, cakes & and the chocolate!!
The Honda is probably the most well balanced all round machine on the grid along with the Yamaha -
Each & every weekend there has been Pedrosa, Dovi, Simoncelli (Chewy), DePuniet, all of whom i dont think are as good as the Yamaha riders i suppose except for edwards.
Stoner is the rider on the grid that has an uncanny ability to find the limits straight away, he just does not seem afraid of anything, mind you after riding that screamer Ducati im not suprised!
I do agree he maybe the fastest rider all things being equal but he is not the best racer & as we have seen time & time agian, just being fast does not make titles.
Dont get me wrong i do admire his riding ability, that is only matched when other people are on fire but jeez you slate the Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Rossi & Hayden fans but you guys take the ....... pies, bisuits, cakes & and the chocolate!!
The Honda is probably the most well balanced all round machine on the grid along with the Yamaha -
Each & every weekend there has been Pedrosa, Dovi, Simoncelli (Chewy), DePuniet, all of whom i dont think are as good as the Yamaha riders i suppose except for edwards.
Stoner is the rider on the grid that has an uncanny ability to find the limits straight away, he just does not seem afraid of anything, mind you after riding that screamer Ducati im not suprised!
I do agree he maybe the fastest rider all things being equal but he is not the best racer & as we have seen time & time agian, just being fast does not make titles.
I put a
Milions of things depends what racer will do in just 1 race...and it looks so easy and simple
...just one more thing.
What is in your view tha biggest difference between them? ...did you ever raced? ...do you think if your girlfriend told you before the race, that she is pregnant with the favorite in this race...you would do better or worse? Yeah you must be an alien
What is in your view tha biggest difference between them? ...did you ever raced? ...do you think if your girlfriend told you before the race, that she is pregnant with the favorite in this race...you would do better or worse? Yeah you must be an alien
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haha,yeah.maybe its hard to stay concentrated
but really, stoner only won 1 championship for the same reason as melandri and hayden failed to perform as they used to.and i think those 2 guys do have a reputation of being good riders
it's no use trying to guess "what if..." . but i'm sure that if stoner didn't have to push all the time he'd have finished the 2008 -2010 seasons better
Yes, they should add a load of fuel and cubic inches to eliminate the need for any technical excellence and then fill the grid with similarly unrefined riders from america, just like the old days. What GP should really be about is clumsy bikes and riders to match
Well in the time scale you refer to, Rossi has 'only' won 2 titles. We are witnessing a fairly competative GP era at the moment and no one rider has been able to dominate it.
Yes, they should add a load of fuel and cubic inches to eliminate the need for any technical excellence and then fill the grid with similarly unrefined riders from america, just like the old days. What GP should really be about is clumsy bikes and riders to match
You'd prefer to see the 800's rather than proper 990's with a decent amount of fuel?
"That shot the fox".
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Precisely!
WHen Rossi tested the Duc. that was the "end of"/"answer". Rossi did a big favour to Stoner thats for sure in that 2 whole days of tests. and no favours to Ducati at that time.
Hopefully he can prove to at least better Melandri on the Duc.
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More like "backfired on the goose"
WHy do you think that 990's are the fastest capacity of motorcycle for such racing?.
The thesis, or perhaps better put the hypothesis, is that ducati have held him back since 2007 as has been said. All but one of even his most ardent admirers including the author of the thread have not maintained this is proven though.
I don't disagree with most of your post , but do take issue with "only one title". A motogp title is a tremendous achievement, and there was great excitement among australian fans, rightly so, when wayne gardner won his single title. Even those who have followed the sport for 15 years have a warped perspective, given that 12 of the last 17 titles have been won by only 2 blokes. I see this as being due to the said riders being fairly good rather than a single championship being trivial, and only one other rider ever has won as many as 5 in a row as rossi and doohan did. The number of riders who have significantly exceeded 1 world championship (ie more than 2 in my book) is probably still in single figures.
Yes, they should add a load of fuel and cubic inches to eliminate the need for any technical excellence and then fill the grid with similarly unrefined riders from america, just like the old days. What GP should really be about is clumsy bikes and riders to match
Well in the time scale you refer to, Rossi has 'only' won 2 titles. We are witnessing a fairly competative GP era at the moment and no one rider has been able to dominate it.
Hard for those guys , american or not, to ride bikes other than those around in their day on the tyres of the day tom. Lorenzo who I agree is rather good wouldn't have been able to ride his corner speed style for a whole race on the tyres of even 10 years ago, perhaps even 5, imo. I am sure he would have found some other way though.
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Hmmm...the Honda is already perfectly set up for little .......?
Last I heard, Rossi and Stoner were the same height bro.
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thabks Goat you did it for me
did Rossi shrink? maybe instead of going by what you "hear" you can use the interweb to find out for sure?
did Rossi shrink? maybe instead of going by what you "hear" you can use the interweb to find out for sure?
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