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Capi to miss Donington

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 19 2008, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm just wondering that if Spies doesn't finish in the top 10 what will be the American posters on this forums excuse for him? They certainly think he will.

He can be DEAD last...he's still my boy...i won't be jumping ship like "SOME" people on this forum
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Besides he said himself...he's going to get a feel for the machine at Donny, and Assen (if he runs it)..then put his head down at Guna.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 19 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He can be DEAD last...he's still my boy...i won't be jumping ship like "SOME" people on this forum
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Besides he said himself...he's going to get a feel for the machine at Donny, and Assen (if he runs it)..then put his head down at Guna.
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A rational reply just as I hoped. I agree, he can't do too well at Donington there are too many disadvantages but come the USGP he'll be far better. Is Schwantz still his mentor?
 
Spies has been great in AMA the last four years, but how would he fare on machinery that's not the all dominating factory Suzuki?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 19 2008, 06:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A rational reply just as I hoped. I agree, he can't do too well at Donington there are too many disadvantages but come the USGP he'll be far better. Is Schwantz still his mentor?

Schwantz wants to run the GP team with Spies as his rider.
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i like this quote from Paul Denning
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Asked what he expected from Spies on what is sure to be a baptism of fire, Denning said: “He hasn’t finished off the podium for about three years so it would be nice if he could carry that on.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 19 2008, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm just wondering that if Spies doesn't finish in the top 10 what will be the American posters on this forums excuse for him? They certainly think he will.

It would be easy to make excuses as to why he DIDN'T fininsh in the top ten. If he DOES finish in the top ten what will the non-americans say, that would be more interesting.
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Spies is like Lorenzo in what he says, I am going to go out and try and learn this and that, make no mistake though, he will be trying his ... off. He will be gunning for a top ten. But he has also stated that he doesn't expect much out of this race which is a better attitude or else you end up in the hospital with a concusion. Whatever he does short of taking out other riders or getting lapped will be fine with me.
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How can anyone expect Speis to do well at all since he has only tested the bike for a bit and that was about it. I know he is fast on a superbike on tracks he knows so you have to think he is going to be a back marker. He certainly will not be up front if he is a wildcard rider. That only happens to Bayliss. If Speis decides to push it then he might be risking something if he messes up anyone in contention for the championship so I think if he cracks the top ten fans of his should be happy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 19 2008, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm just wondering that if Spies doesn't finish in the top 10 what will be the American posters on this forums excuse for him? They certainly think he will.
You never stop making stupid ill informed generalized statements, so why stop now, I guess. Most "Americans" are saying they don't think he will finish top ten (so where did you ge the excuse making idea)? Do you read English? Or do you just blindly post stupid .... 99% of the time to show your anti-American ...? Spare me the condescension about "American's" making "excuses". Why don't you say, for those 'Spies fans' claiming he will tip the top ten, what will be their excuses if he doesn't deliver? Do you see the difference, or is your blind hate for all things American impede such distinction? I have seen you write from time to time similar .... (hence why I'm calling you on it now).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Jun 18 2008, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There you guys go, I changed a couple w's to c's and highlighted a couple words you guys seem to overlook and now everything should be butterflies and rainbows.

Damn you really have to watch how you say things around here don't you?

I do undertstand circumstances are a part of racing, there is some crazy races out there, often caused by weather. Roger did only have a brief test on the bike as did Spies so they both have/had relatively no seat time on the bike. My only point is I don't expect Spies to get a 10th or higher because Roger did it in his race. It was a totally different track and totally different circumstances yet I keep reading guys use Rogers race as a reference to what Spies is/isn't going to do.

So I think Roger got his position in Laguna last year mostly on curcumstance and not his riding. Whether you think I speculate or not that is MY opinion, yours is still yours.

Don't go running to the hills now, claiming the, 'its just my opinion' defense, we are just having a discussion, presenting both sides. So what, its just my opinion too. Equally valid. That called discussion. You made several extrapolations for "circumstances" being the factor for Roger Lee's position. In effect, by saying its "circumstance" its a back door to saying it was rather "lucky" giving the rider little to no merit. So all I did was give you a list of facts that also contributed to those "circumstances" you proposed. Seat time is very valuable, but you didn't mention it. You made a big deal about track familiarity. OK, that helps, so if you're gonna cite that then be fair and cite the whole story, which is what I did. It sounds like you've become defensive, but all we are doing is presenting both sides of the coin.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 19 2008, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't go running to the hills now, claiming the, 'its just my opinion' defense, we are just having a discussion, presenting both sides. So what, its just my opinion too. Equally valid. That called discussion. You made several extrapolations for "circumstances" being the factor for Roger Lee's position. In effect, by saying its "circumstance" its a back door to saying it was rather "lucky" giving the rider little to no merit. So all I did was give you a list of facts that also contributed to those "circumstances" you proposed. Seat time is very valuable, but you didn't mention it. You made a big deal about track familiarity. OK, that helps, so if you're gonna cite that then be fair and cite the whole story, which is what I did. It sounds like you've become defensive, but all we are doing is presenting both sides of the coin.

Circumstances....luck.......

It's all pink in the middle
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 18 2008, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bizarre tread. Maybe I remember wrong but my impression was that you guys were rather disapointed of Rogers performance last year. When someone point out a few circumstances now there's full attack. I thought it was pretty good for a first time and if I understand PZ right that's what he does to.

And Jumkie, it's hardly speculation that Bridgestone performed better than Michelin at LS last year. To deny that IS speculative to the n'th degree allready.
You may or may not have noticed my new and improved friendly tone with you. I hope I can sustain it. Perhaps we are just destined to skirmish (either way, I’m down).

Ok, as far as last year, I don't remember many saying they were disappointed with Roger Lee quite to contrary). Maybe your are confusing the disappointment expressed that certainly did revolve around Hayden & Hopkins.

Your characterization is sensational, its not a "full attack" but rather presenting some very important details that were left out regarding the very fluid and illusive notion of "circumstances".

As far as Bridgestones are concerned, I realize you always feel compelled to comment on tire performance, but my point was this: (again); in that first turn incident, Stoner and Hopkins (two Bridgestone riders) made detrimental mistakes causing Hayden (a Michelin rider) to effectively cause a DNF. Since ProjectZ was extrapolating (look up that word), then I did the same too. That is, I extrapolated that perhaps there was an error (or mismanagement) by Stoner/Hopkins caused by Bridgestone lack of performance in the first turn (maybe heat, grip, etc.). Something that Roger Lee (also on Bridgestones) was able to manage better at that moment by in fact making the apex successfully, not causing an incident. This is all speculative, but nothing more than ProjectZ did by speculating circumstances into the equation. Do you understand? You see, Project said Roger Lee didn’t beat a single Bridgestone regular, however, he did beat Hopkins (who for some reason was involved in that first turn incident). I have chosen to extrapolate that this incident was caused by “circumstances” link to tire management. I know, it’s a bit complex, but not really if you follow the logic.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Jun 19 2008, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Circumstances....luck.......

It's all pink in the middle
Its cool man. Just presenting the other side. I'm not saying we deliberately leave out significant details, but it helps when we got a host of members keeping us all honest.
 
I'd love to know what spies is thinking when he goes down craner curves for the first time !!!
Holy .... I bet
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jun 19 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd love to know what spies is thinking when he goes down craner curves for the first time !!!
Holy .... I bet
I'd bet you're right.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jun 19 2008, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd love to know what spies is thinking when he goes down craner curves for the first time !!!
Holy .... I bet
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I think he was contemplating it earlier today Dion..his lips weren't the only thing puckering up
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Jun 19 2008, 04:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies has been great in AMA the last four years, but how would he fare on machinery that's not the all dominating factory Suzuki?
Great point.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Jun 19 2008, 04:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies has been great in AMA the last four years, but how would he fare on machinery that's not the all dominating factory Suzuki?

It could be a match made in heaven, remember 2007. Worth a shot anyway.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 19 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3605:Ben.jpg]

I think he was contemplating it earlier today Dion..his lips weren't the only thing puckering up
Nah, he's looking down. He might be talking to Loris, asking "Hey, are all you guys this short?"
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 19 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nah, he's looking down. He might be talking to Loris, asking "Hey, are all you guys this short?"
That'll be his Yoshi teammate who's made a career out of looking down on people Jumkie
 
Ben's AMA GSXR1000 I assume has comparible power and more torque than the GSVR800. If he can get the suspension dialed in the way he needs it the GP machine should be sweeter to ride than the superbike.

Things not in his favour:

New bike. So little time to get the setup right with so many adjustments.

New track. A pro can learn a track fast but this one is like two tracks sewn together.

Bridgestone experience. Qualifying will suffer causing his starting position to suffer.

So far unsolveable GSVR tire edge eating problem (5 years now? or is it 8?...). If he gets a great starting position he will start to go backwards at the end of the race like CV will.

Rain will really hurt his chances. Seeping kerosene oozing from the pores in the track, no experience with wet weather Bridgestone tires.

Size. We'll see if it makes any difference. He's bigger than Capper. Should be interesting.


Things in his favour:

European track. No matter how new he will think he is in track heaven compared to a lot of the US tracks he rides. Craner curves? This guy plunges down the corkscrew so no problem.

Tons of talent and experience and a winning expectation.

Rain. Attrition may move him up actually if he doesn't bin it.

Fully supportive team. They are also looking for new talent with the drive to win with what you have rather than pace around and make excuses for the missing 5%. In other words a racer. Obviously he is at the front of the line having been given a rare chance to ride rather than put a test rider in substitute.



As long as he finishes ahead of the Kawi's he will have satisfied me completely.
 

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