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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 13 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You wanna bet that Spies will win a race on the Suzuki MotoGP machine in the next 7 years?

No..i wanna bet he'll do better that CV

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 13 2008, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No..i wanna bet he'll do better that CV

I don't even think CV would take that bet...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 13 2008, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't even think CV would take that bet...

I'm cause I know its true. Wait, he kicked ... at Laguna last year

Never really knew what I thought on Spies and Mladin, as in how fast are they ?
I recently read Neil Hodgsons article in Motocycle racer mag, and he says Mladin is very very fast, as in faster then WSBKs but Spies is reminds him of Rossi, as in sheer ability.
Interesting coming from a former WSBK champ, and MotoGP racer.
So based on that, Spies should go well, hope so.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jun 13 2008, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Never really knew what I thought on Spies and Mladin, as in how fast are they ?
I recently read Neil Hodgsons article in Motocycle racer mag, and he says Mladin is very very fast, as in faster then WSBKs but Spies is reminds him of Rossi, as in sheer ability.
Interesting coming from a former WSBK champ, and MotoGP racer.
So based on that, Spies should go well, hope so.

Damn that makes me wonder what the AMA Superbikes is going to look like when Spies leaves. Maladin will be running away with victories, much like a Stoner like season. I guess ther is always WSBK to watch.

I sure hope Spies doesn't come into Motogp thinking its gonna be easy... i remember when he tested last year he said the bike felt timid or along those lines.

That may be true but the competition is a massive step up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jun 13 2008, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Never really knew what I thought on Spies and Mladin, as in how fast are they ?
I recently read Neil Hodgsons article in Motocycle racer mag, and he says Mladin is very very fast, as in faster then WSBKs but Spies is reminds him of Rossi, as in sheer ability.
Interesting coming from a former WSBK champ, and MotoGP racer.
So based on that, Spies should go well, hope so.


Once again Hodgson commenting on something he knows nothing about.
2 years ago when he was on the Ducati he was saying that Mladin and Spies were not that much better that the top 6 or 7 riders, they just had the best equipment.
Now suddenly the riders are the difference. Does this guy ever shut his hole and actually do something on the track.
Spies/ Rossi. Give me a break.
Spies was never a natural talent.
He started out as a fast kid who really progressed to be a great rider. 4 years ago he wasn't really that much better than his peers. You watch him now and he's flawless.
Always fast and never makes mistakes.
I think he would absolutely kick ... in WSBK.
I am skeptical about him in Moto GP. It's not his ability I question just the nature of Moto GP turning
into the 250 supers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Jun 15 2008, 04:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Once again Hodgson commenting on something he knows nothing about.
2 years ago when he was on the Ducati he was saying that Mladin and Spies were not that much better that the top 6 or 7 riders, they just had the best equipment.
Now suddenly the riders are the difference. Does this guy ever shut his hole and actually do something on the track.
Spies/ Rossi. Give me a break.
Spies was never a natural talent.
He started out as a fast kid who really progressed to be a great rider. 4 years ago he wasn't really that much better than his peers. You watch him now and he's flawless.
Always fast and never makes mistakes.
I think he would absolutely kick ... in WSBK.
I am skeptical about him in Moto GP. It's not his ability I question just the nature of Moto GP turning
into the 250 supers.

I am truly sick of hearing MOTOGP bikes are more suited to 2 stroke riders, ....... stupid !
How can this be ?
And as refering to hodgson, what Motocycle championships have you won ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jun 15 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am truly sick of hearing MOTOGP bikes are more suited to 2 stroke riders, ....... stupid !
How can this be ?
And as refering to hodgson, what Motocycle championships have you won ?

Anyone wiht half a brain must understand that an 800cc four stroke is much more similar to a 250cc 2-stroke compared to a 990 4-stroke.

What I DO belive is that a 800cc 4-stroke prototype might have just as much in common with a 250cc 2-stroke prototype as a tuned 1200cc production bike.

What people seems to forget is that the step up from 125 to 250 is a much larger change than any of the others. On those + 10m tracks the line of the 125 might differ almost across the whole whidth of the track compared to all the other clases. 250 might have a slightly different line than the bigger clases, but even compared to the 990 that's minor adjustments compared to the 125.

Edit: Maybe that's the secret. The guys comming up the ranks of MotoGP have allready a proven ability to adapt AND be fast?

Spies is like ROssi??? Dude your really strechin this one to the limit. I like Hodgson an all but that statement is friggin just way out of wack.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jun 15 2008, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am truly sick of hearing MOTOGP bikes are more suited to 2 stroke riders, ....... stupid !
How can this be ?
And as refering to hodgson, what Motocycle championships have you won ?

Neil did win the WSBK title in 2003.....even though I thought Xaus rode better that year.

MotoGPs bike are prototypes, and the 250s and 125s are training (feeder) 'prototype' series for the big class. It is not the 2 stroke thing that makes the difference....It is riding the same series of tracks, similar set up thinking for the bikes, and Now 800s require 250 type riding skills.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 15 2008, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Neil did win the WSBK title in 2003.....even though I thought Xaus rode better that year.

MotoGPs bike are prototypes, and the 250s and 125s are training (feeder) 'prototype' series for the big class. It is not the 2 stroke thing that makes the difference....It is riding the same series of tracks, similar set up thinking for the bikes, and Now 800s require 250 type riding skills.

Yeah he won the 2003 WSBK title when him and Xaus were on far superior machinery and Xaus dnfed half of the races. He also won the 2000 BSB championship but only because poor Chris Walker had an engine blow up with about 3 laps to go to gift Neil the championship.

I haven't seen Spies in action on a GPbike,and i haven't read about exactly how fast he was when he tried the Suzuki ,at Valencia was it?
Anyway Suzuki people are saying he was fast and seemed to ajust well to the circumstances,and they amongst others,Ducati who also has an interrest in him as a rider,can't be all that wrong.
But,my thought is,isn't Spies a little bit like Ant West?
He is comming from Superbike(Not 250GP).so he hasn't raced on any GP track,he hasn't had the same possibillities to set up a bike almost from scratch ,which is more or less the case when comparing AMA Superbike to 250 or Moto GP,he is not used to carbon brakes,MotoGPslicks and so on.
With Ant it was almost the same situation,he was also really fast compared to the expectations in the beginning, and look at him now not doing so well.
Maybe i'm all wrong about this as they seem to be very different personalities.Spies is already a star and VERY focused kind of like Toseland and West seems more easy going relaxed saying -Oh ,i have to work out and stuff between the raced and offseason?
But,from a technical point of view,maybe Ant West's results is because he can't work out how to get around his problems with his bike together with his team.
Just a thought

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 15 2008, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone wiht half a brain must understand that an 800cc four stroke is much more similar to a 250cc 2-stroke compared to a 990 4-stroke.

What I DO belive is that a 800cc 4-stroke prototype might have just as much in common with a 250cc 2-stroke prototype as a tuned 1200cc production bike.

What people seems to forget is that the step up from 125 to 250 is a much larger change than any of the others. On those + 10m tracks the line of the 125 might differ almost across the whole whidth of the track compared to all the other clases. 250 might have a slightly different line than the bigger clases, but even compared to the 990 that's minor adjustments compared to the 125.

Edit: Maybe that's the secret. The guys comming up the ranks of MotoGP have allready a proven ability to adapt AND be fast?
I think it is a big step to come to MotoGP where ever you are comming from.When everything is set up as good as it gets for the rider,the track,and every little tiny thing has been tuned in on a race weekend to make him go as fast as he can,after all that the laptimes are compared to the other riders.And not when a rider is trying a few laps.
Maybe a 250 rider has a big advantage not because he is used to the machine,but he is more used to set the bike up,and ofcourse know the tracks.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Jun 15 2008, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I haven't seen Spies in action on a GPbike,and i haven't read about exactly how fast he was when he tried the Suzuki ,at Valencia was it?
Anyway Suzuki people are saying he was fast and seemed to ajust well to the circumstances,and they amongst others,Ducati who also has an interrest in him as a rider,can't be all that wrong.
But,my thought is,isn't Spies a little bit like Ant West?
He is comming from Superbike(Not 250GP).so he hasn't raced on any GP track,he hasn't had the same possibillities to set up a bike almost from scratch ,which is more or less the case when comparing AMA Superbike to 250 or Moto GP,he is not used to carbon brakes,MotoGPslicks and so on.
With Ant it was almost the same situation,he was also really fast compared to the expectations in the beginning, and look at him now not doing so well.
Maybe i'm all wrong about this as they seem to be very different personalities.Spies is already a star and VERY focused kind of like Toseland and West seems more easy going relaxed saying -Oh ,i have to work out and stuff between the raced and offseason?
But,from a technical point of view,maybe Ant West's results is because he can't work out how to get around his problems with his bike together with his team.
Just a thought


Ant raced Supersport not Superbike. He only raced 3 or four races in that class

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Jun 15 2008, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah he won the 2003 WSBK title when him and Xaus were on far superior machinery and Xaus dnfed half of the races. He also won the 2000 BSB championship but only because poor Chris Walker had an engine blow up with about 3 laps to go to gift Neil the championship.

Are you saying Neil won the title because he was riding the Yosh Suzuki equivelant of World Superbikes, or that he was lucky to win the BSB title due others misfortune and not due to their natural ablity?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Jun 16 2008, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ant raced Supersport not Superbike. He only raced 3 or four races in that class
OK.Point taken,but it doesn't make a huge difference i think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jun 13 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I sure hope Spies doesn't come into Motogp thinking its gonna be easy... i remember when he tested last year he said the bike felt timid or along those lines.

That may be true but the competition is a massive step up.

You're reading to much into it you goofball.

He said the 800s felt timid because he was keeping the bike on the bottom end. Apparently the hardest thing for him to learn so far is to keep his right wrist wide open until 19000 rpm.

I'm sure the bike did feel timid down in the 4 digit rpm ranges.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 16 2008, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you saying Neil won the title because he was riding the Yosh Suzuki equivelant of World Superbikes, or that he was lucky to win the BSB title due others misfortune and not due to their natural ablity?

The Fila Ducati was even better than a Yoshi equivilent in 03. They were the only team using 03 factory machinery as everyone everyone else bar Lavilla was riding 998s.