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I also remember a time when Eurosport coverage of motogp seemed to work pretty well. In fact, we had better coverage back then than we have now.
Causation runs both ways, I'd say:
size audience + -> tv coverage
but also
tv coverage + -> size of audience
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I also remember a time when Eurosport coverage of motogp seemed to work pretty well. In fact, we had better coverage back then than we have now.
Causation runs both ways, I'd say:
size audience + -> tv coverage
but also
tv coverage + -> size of audience
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You make many good arguments, but I think the point of conention has been lost. The number of Spaniards in MotoGP is a problem for Dorna, but less so for the fans. The problem for fans in MotoGP is the emergence of nationalistic Spanish sponsors, particularly as pay-for-ride pervades motorsport. Perhaps Spanish sponsors have a much smaller global footprint, but if their marketing people can't sell customers on the notion of non-Spanish talent, then Jumkie's assertion is correct--Spain itself is a blight on MotoGP and the international business community. I'm not willing to take the argument that far; instead, I think nationalism is still one of the easiest marketing platforms in existence, and Spanish companies are just lazy. Their laziness is troublesome b/c it undermines the meritocracy of GP. The natural consequence is complaints from people like Jumkie that the top riders are overrated.
In defense of Spanish companies like Repsol, these discussion were less prevalent 2 decades ago b/c sponsors couldn't buy championships for riders. If a rider didn't have WC talent, a two-stroke would sort him out. Now that the bike plays a much bigger role in the 80/20 equation, sponsors have more power.
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You make many good arguments, but I think the point of conention has been lost. The number of Spaniards in MotoGP is a problem for Dorna, but less so for the fans. The problem for fans in MotoGP is the emergence of nationalistic Spanish sponsors, particularly as pay-for-ride pervades motorsport. Perhaps Spanish sponsors have a much smaller global footprint, but if their marketing people can't sell customers on the notion of non-Spanish talent, then Jumkie's assertion is correct--Spain itself is a blight on MotoGP and the international business community. I'm not willing to take the argument that far; instead, I think nationalism is still one of the easiest marketing platforms in existence, and Spanish companies are just lazy. Their laziness is troublesome b/c it undermines the meritocracy of GP. The natural consequence is complaints from people like Jumkie that the top riders are overrated.
In defense of Spanish companies like Repsol, these discussion were less prevalent 2 decades ago b/c sponsors couldn't buy championships for riders. If a rider didn't have WC talent, a two-stroke would sort him out. Now that the bike plays a much bigger role in the 80/20 equation, sponsors have more power.
Re:Expansion; a WWE rulebook is not necessary. THe B2B business environment can be expanded by increasing the number of factory participants. The 990s were not a WWE sham.
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To answer ur question, bcuz its Spanish culture to be that way.
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I did not mean why, but in what way. For instance, how does Repsol differ from, say, San Carlo or Cardion (I'm leaving out multinationals that are not clearly tied to a country in the first place). How do you think a typical American sponser like McDonalds would be different?
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I did not mean why, but in what way. For instance, how does Repsol differ from, say, San Carlo or Cardion (I'm leaving out multinationals that are not clearly tied to a country in the first place). How do you think a typical American sponser like McDonalds would be different?
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Xerox didn't force Americans onto Ducatis. Castrol never forced Brits onto Hondas. Monster sponsors riders of all nationalities with no Americans on Tech3. Red Bull sponsors riders of all nationalities. The tobacco giants generally supported talent rather than any particular nationality.
Some Spanish nationalism is attributable to lack of global footprint, but companies like Repsol or Movistar/Telefonica do not fit that description. The former is a Fortune Global 500 company with 40,000 employees, and the other is a major telecom provider with 3x more Brazilian customers than Spanish customers and more UK customers than Spanish customers. Unfortunately, these companies perch themselves atop the factory hierarchy, and then commence to keep at least 1 seat reserved for a rider of Spanish nationality.
Yes, they pay the bills, but I don't see any reason to give them a pass. HRC can survive without Repsol, and if not for Marquez' success and his ties to Repsol, I think HRC may have sent them down the river.
Xerox didn't force Americans onto Ducatis. Castrol never forced Brits onto Hondas. Monster sponsors riders of all nationalities with no Americans on Tech3. Red Bull sponsors riders of all nationalities. The tobacco giants generally supported talent rather than any particular nationality.
Some Spanish nationalism is attributable to lack of global footprint, but companies like Repsol or Movistar/Telefonica do not fit that description. The former is a Fortune Global 500 company with 40,000 employees, and the other is a major telecom provider with 3x more Brazilian customers than Spanish customers and more UK customers than Spanish customers. Unfortunately, these companies perch themselves atop the factory hierarchy, and then commence to keep at least 1 seat reserved for a rider of Spanish nationality.
Yes, they pay the bills, but I don't see any reason to give them a pass. HRC can survive without Repsol, and if not for Marquez' success and his ties to Repsol, I think HRC may have sent them down the river.
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Not so Fortuna and as for supporting talent - Altadis were bankrolling Nakano and Jacque for many years.
Not so Fortuna and as for supporting talent - Altadis were bankrolling Nakano and Jacque for many years.
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You don't need to list all of the non-Spaniards who've ridden for Spanish sponsors. In my post, I made it clear that Spanish bias is limited to keeping 1 seat open for a Spanish rider, and earlier I accused them of overwhelming cultivation of Spanish talent, despite a global brand. The only glaring exception that springs to mind is Rossi-Hayden in 2003, but it is well known that Honda NA outmuscled Repsol--one of the few instances of American hegemony, but it was a regional distributor trying to sell CBRs, not a global brand who wanted America-uber-alles.
This has only become a contentious topic b/c people deny Spanish sponsor bias, though it is basically a foregone conclusion. I'm not even saying it's absolutely bad in the grand scheme. But considering the saturation of Spanish talent, and the global reputation of some Spanish sponsors over the years, their obsession with Spanish WC's is not particularly good for the sport ATM.
You don't need to list all of the non-Spaniards who've ridden for Spanish sponsors. In my post, I made it clear that Spanish bias is limited to keeping 1 seat open for a Spanish rider, and earlier I accused them of overwhelming cultivation of Spanish talent, despite a global brand. The only glaring exception that springs to mind is Rossi-Hayden in 2003, but it is well known that Honda NA outmuscled Repsol--one of the few instances of American hegemony, but it was a regional distributor trying to sell CBRs, not a global brand who wanted America-uber-alles.
This has only become a contentious topic b/c people deny Spanish sponsor bias, though it is basically a foregone conclusion. I'm not even saying it's absolutely bad in the grand scheme. But considering the saturation of Spanish talent, and the global reputation of some Spanish sponsors over the years, their obsession with Spanish WC's is not particularly good for the sport ATM.
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