Cal Cuntslow

Mick, point out the strawman. Kesh made the claim that Marc had dominated both seasons. I refuted it pointing out his rivals were close on his ..., and in fact he only won the championship by 5 points. That is not dominant. End of arguement at this point. Your bright contribute was to point out he was a rookie, how the .... does this change the fact he did NOT dominate? Answer that. We are not debating the fact he won in his rookie year, the point of contention was "domination". Do u understand this word?



Kesh, Mick, then debate the particulars with me. Kesh, So far your "evolution" of Marc is hilarious at best. Not only did u not use the word as its defined but u picked the worst time to describe him in that way on account of being sandwiched between two crashes. And Mick, u butted your mouth into a discussion reminding us Marc was a rookie as if this is something noteworthy to explain Kesh's passive support of this ridiculous arguement that the RCV has suddenly decomposed into manure. I'm dying to read your stellar defense. So far u put up a comparison of finishing order of the Hondas glossing over the first Honda sat in the gravel and otherwise would have been far up the order. Then when Lotus put up pole times proving the RCV had in fact not "declined" (look up the word and while your at it share the dictionary with Kesh) your weak attempt at dismissing the lap times staring u in the face was to say, I don't like pole. Haha ok.

What point would u boys like to start debating? But let's stick to one at a time, I don't want u getting confused.

Keshav said:

I don't have to enumerate how many poles he grabbed and how many wins and how many records he broke over two seasons to validate the use of dominate.

What nobody has addressed is, Why, if the Honda is perfectly good, is MM suddenly unable to ride it well? Stoner crashed numerous times and still managed to do well. Those who were inclined to hate him said he was losing it and those who were reasonably objective and waited for him to work out the problems that were causing the crashes. I don't like MM any better than the next guy but I'm willing to be objective and stand aside while others gather up their torches and pitchforks. Sometimes this place seems to be fueled by schadenfreude.

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I actually like MM in terms of entertainment value. I like the way he rides, not so much the murder attempts but hey, cant deny he creates interest in what would otherwise be fairly dull JLo vs VR faster 6 or 7. Pedro hardly adds excitement

Stoner crashes? Yes actually my recollection is Stoner did exhibit a win it or bin it mentally. So I can hardly get on MM case expecting him to be the model of consistency when I find go for broke more entertaining. Or more specifically I find the contrast between go for broke and consistent riders entertaining.

Now I'm reminded of Schwantz v Rainey. Schwantz was win in or bin it, Rainey the model of consistency grafting and fighting for every point. In terms of which approach was more successful, I guess its fairly obvious. Schwantz said it himself what he really needed was someone to sit him down and tell him straight to settle the .... down and not go mental trying to win the race on the first lap. I don't think it would hurt for MM to be reminded the same, but yes its easy from the armchair.

birdman said:

I actually like MM in terms of entertainment value. I like the way he rides, not so much the murder attempts but hey, cant deny he creates interest in what would otherwise be fairly dull JLo vs VR faster 6 or 7. Pedro hardly adds excitement

Stoner crashes? Yes actually my recollection is Stoner did exhibit a win it or bin it mentally. So I can hardly get on MM case expecting him to be the model of consistency when I find go for broke more entertaining. Or more specifically I find the contrast between go for broke and consistent riders entertaining.

Now I'm reminded of Schwantz v Rainey. Schwantz was win in or bin it, Rainey the model of consistency grafting and fighting for every point. In terms of which approach was more successful, I guess its fairly obvious. Schwantz said it himself what he really needed was someone to sit him down and tell him straight to settle the .... down and not go mental trying to win the race on the first lap. I don't think it would hurt for MM to be reminded the same, but yes its easy from the armchair.

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Exactamundo! Schwantz was a maniac! The guy had more injuries than any of his contemporaries - and people loved him for his determination. And he did his share of fairing bashing. He had a quality about him that endeared him to the public, whereas MM is a really creepy little kid with soulless eyes. Schwantz was all-American and Americans were the darling of GP racing at the time. Now there's this whole bitter bigotry against Spanish riders because of the perceived (and sometimes real) special treatment from Dorna. Some people are never going to forgive Pedrosa for the incident in 2006 and some will continue to dredge up the incident with Willirot 5 and 10 years from now, and make overblown drama-queen pronouncements over every incident in order to justify their need to vent mis-directed anger. I guess it's cheaper than therapy.:happy:

Yamaha have improved their bike, Ducati have improved their bike, Honda may have not improved as much as the other two. Honda riders having to ride harder.

Marquez - hey Santi I have to ride over over edge with brain disengage to keep up. Bad front wheel he make me crash....

Crutchlow - Sorry Lucio...I just can't help it. My mum used to own a pet shop. Every time I see kitty litter I want to dive into it. I've 100% got the pace to run at the front in the next race I promise !

Top 5 finish for Calamity Crashloads at Assen

JPSLotus said:

No ....... way.

Didn't you hear, the RCV is unrideable now?

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Marquez front wheel falls off in turn 1. Unable to control the bike, he torpedoes Rossi, JLO, Crazy Joe and Dovi.....

The loose wheel flies into the Moto2 paddock and torpedoes Wilarot...

Crashloads bins it but gets back on to finish 5th

JPSLotus said:

Wow that's great.

But who wins since Crutchlow is only 5th?

Nicky Hayden?

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Redding, by a .... hair from Smith and Laverty. Barbera hot on their heels.

No way, Abraham for the win!

Willski said:

Redding, by a .... hair from Smith and Laverty. Barbera hot on their heels.

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:giggle: this is the best thing i've ever read.

littlesparrows said:

:giggle: this is the best thing i've ever read.

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It's his up date on the traditional unit of measurement; an RCH.

littlesparrows said:

:giggle: this is the best thing i've ever read.

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As Kesh says, it's a standard unit of measurement where I come from Sparrows. Please feel free to use it when discussing small distances or small things...

" he won by a .... hair "

" that plane missed us by a .... hair "

" you say that's a .... Jum ? It looks more like a .... hair "

Also in Wllski's case it can be used "I shat out a load of .... hair"

i can't wait to use this in conversation.

littlesparrows said:

i can't wait to use this in conversation.

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please let me know if you use .... hair successfully in any future conversations. I would be interested to hear the context....

It's good to see that the Great British Empire can still export wonderful to our US brothers and sisters ( the words .... hair and me )

Jumkie said:

Mick, point out the strawman. Kesh made the claim that Marc had dominated both seasons. I refuted it pointing out his rivals were close on his ..., and in fact he only won the championship by 5 points. That is not dominant. End of arguement at this point. Your bright contribute was to point out he was a rookie, how the .... does this change the fact he did NOT dominate? Answer that. We are not debating the fact he won in his rookie year, the point of contention was "domination". Do u understand this word?

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Understand perfectly and believe that as a rookie his performance does equate to domination over rivals who should have had the tools and experience to crush him.

Mick D said:

Understand perfectly and believe that as a rookie his performance does equate to domination over rivals who should have had the tools and experience to crush him.

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Ah I see, so you're just going to rationalize what "domination " means based on what u believe. You know Mick, i really appreciate your response, from now on I will refer to Nicky's title as a 'dominate' performance, because 'I believe' (this is the standard right) his rivals had the tools to crush him considering Hayden rode the EVO bike without SNSs. And considering Marc & Nicky both won by 5 points, this really makes sense. Thanx buddy, you know I'm always looking to big-up my boy. No further action needed on this point.

I would say that Marquez' 2013 win was impressive, but not dominant. Both he and Lorenzo tried throwing the title away at times.

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I would say that Marquez' 2013 win was impressive, but not dominant. Both he and Lorenzo tried throwing the title away at times.

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I think Lorenzo missed a round as well.