Brno Race Discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 17 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> It's not what I know, it's what everyone else doesn't. I guess that assertion was a bit over the top.

This is quite a milestone. It's not the first time I've been wrong, but it is the first time anyone attempted to use facts to make a counterpoint.

Actually, it's the first time anyone has taken your conspiracy ..... seriously enough to justify it with a serious answer.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Aug 18 2008, 04:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And I told you Nakano could pull a podium and no-one believed me!

Dude he still didn't get a podium.
Everyone that didn't believe you, well they were right.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 17 2008, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well hayden did podium 10 times in his wc winning year and krjr 9 podiums in his. hayden having 2 wins 3 seconds and 5 thirds. krjr having 4 wins 4 seconds and 1 third. thats not forget how competitive it is just to get into the top 10 in this sport so the above feats are not to be belittled. this is a very old debate that not many here will be keen to engage in. look back 2 years and you will see this topic was done to death.

welcome to the forum by the way.
Schwantz only won 4 races in 1993. Rainey won the year before with 3. Lawson won with 3 wins in 89 and 4 in 84. Other than Rossi, Doohan, and Stoner, the normal route to the title has been to win about half the races at most. Yes, we've had a lot of dominant seasons since Doohan started winning championships, but those go down to a couple of the best racers of all time racing without peer.

Why do people expect every championship to be a runaway, or they try to throw an asterisk at it?

Amazing what the fear of a lack of a future income will do to your talent. Pure inspiration for Elias ,Westy and Caporossi. To bad Stoner fell off, karma? lima oscar lima

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Aug 17 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Amazing what the fear of a lack of a future income will do to your talent. Pure inspiration for Elias ,Westy and Caporossi. To bad Stoner fell off, karma? lima oscar lima

Elias is a racer who rides hard,, aggressive....sliding into corners, sort of like Hayden, but lacks the outright speed to hang with other riders who are more 'controlled' as far as riding style goes. Still, entertaining to watch. I do hope Elias gets another shot next year, if there was no TC i think it will fit right into his game, him and Hayden will do good withoout TC.

wheres the stoner fan club ??? what no congratulations at all. 9 page's in and not a peep

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 17 2008, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wheres the stoner fan club ??? what no congratulations at all. 9 page's in and not a peep

They must be helping Stoner clean the kitty litter out of his jockies

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wheres the stoner fan club ??? what no congratulations at all. 9 page's in and not a peep
I miss Quintet in a heartbeat...

STONER FAN CLUB MEMBER POST

Great ride by Rossi. He and Stoner 2 secs a lap faster is just plain ridiculous. Pedrosa when uninjured and on good tyres would be very close. The rest of the field just isn,t as good (excepting Lorenzo when he comes back next year)

I am very surprised about the story of Stoner being on softer tyres. Posts from a while ago mentioned that Casey mostly ran much harder tyres than the others could. Rossi said they were different, Who said they were softer? Perhaps BG could post Suppos quote.

Also ( not trying to make excuses) I wonder how healthy CS was. Although obviously improved from Friday, at this level when you are trying to put everything you,ve got to win and close points on Rossi, if you are still a bit "heady" then 99% concentration, when at the absolute limit is not enough to stay upright. I was watching CS after his crash when looking at his bike, I could see none of his expected anger, just a slump of the shoulders- weakness or maybe just resignation that the title had gone.
Also when back in his pit his face looked very tired and drawn- he looked sick to me. I just don,t think he or his team wanted to say anything as it would have been seen as sour grapes or trying to make excuses. Rossi deserves the win. I just don,t think Casey was well enough to ride fast enough over full race distance. And, yes, you could say he succumbed to Rossis pressure if that makes some of you happier.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kez_91 @ Aug 17 2008, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> @ Stoner

Put the kid under pressure and look what you get!
It really goes to show that 12 year olds should remain in school!

Mega happy about Rossi's win! and now that hes got a 50 point advantage over Stoner




You frothing Rossi suckups don't give a damn about racing, all you want is to see your hero on the top step.

I have a question for those that bash Casey, Max, and anyone else who has beaten your alter ego. If Rossi's foes are all so 'undeserving' and 'crap,' what does that make Rossi? "The guy who beat a bunch of hacks?" Suddenly your God doesn't seem so special after all, eh?


And WTF is with:

"We won!" (Are you part of the team?)
"My Vale" (Graziano, is dat you?)

Frankly, it scares me that people identify so strongly with someone they don't know is any real sense, and possibly haven't even met. What kind of sick relationship do you have with the guy?

Feh....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Aug 18 2008, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>STONER FAN CLUB MEMBER POST

Great ride by Rossi. He and Stoner 2 secs a lap faster is just plain ridiculous. Pedrosa when uninjured and on good tyres would be very close. The rest of the field just isn,t as good (excepting Lorenzo when he comes back next year)

I am very surprised about the story of Stoner being on softer tyres. Posts from a while ago mentioned that Casey mostly ran much harder tyres than the others could. Rossi said they were different, Who said they were softer? Perhaps BG could post Suppos quote.

Also ( not trying to make excuses) I wonder how healthy CS was. Although obviously improved from Friday, at this level when you are trying to put everything you,ve got to win and close points on Rossi, if you are still a bit "heady" then 99% concentration, when at the absolute limit is not enough to stay upright. I was watching CS after his crash when looking at his bike, I could see none of his expected anger, just a slump of the shoulders- weakness or maybe just resignation that the title had gone.
Also when back in his pit his face looked very tired and drawn- he looked sick to me. I just don,t think he or his team wanted to say anything as it would have been seen as sour grapes or trying to make excuses. Rossi deserves the win. I just don,t think Casey was well enough to ride fast enough over full race distance. And, yes, you could say he succumbed to Rossis pressure if that makes some of you happier.
Thanks, that'll be greatly appreciated!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Aug 17 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>STONER FAN CLUB MEMBER POST

Great ride by Rossi. He and Stoner 2 secs a lap faster is just plain ridiculous. Pedrosa when uninjured and on good tyres would be very close. The rest of the field just isn,t as good (excepting Lorenzo when he comes back next year)

I am very surprised about the story of Stoner being on softer tyres. Posts from a while ago mentioned that Casey mostly ran much harder tyres than the others could. Rossi said they were different, Who said they were softer? Perhaps BG could post Suppos quote.

Also ( not trying to make excuses) I wonder how healthy CS was. Although obviously improved from Friday, at this level when you are trying to put everything you,ve got to win and close points on Rossi, if you are still a bit "heady" then 99% concentration, when at the absolute limit is not enough to stay upright. I was watching CS after his crash when looking at his bike, I could see none of his expected anger, just a slump of the shoulders- weakness or maybe just resignation that the title had gone.
Also when back in his pit his face looked very tired and drawn- he looked sick to me. I just don,t think he or his team wanted to say anything as it would have been seen as sour grapes or trying to make excuses. Rossi deserves the win. I just don,t think Casey was well enough to ride fast enough over full race distance. And, yes, you could say he succumbed to Rossis pressure if that makes some of you happier.

blah blah blah blah...... he choked, end of story. Even Rossi himself said Casey succumbed to the 'pressure'. But hey look at it this way, at least Valentino actually has someone to compete with who can push him.

You can't really congratulate Rossi on an uncontested win. True, Stoner binned it and for whatever reason he did it himself. Rossi was behind and even though he claims he was catching Stoner we'll never know. Really, if it wasn't for Capper getting on the box the race was not worth waiting a month for at all. The real race was behind Rossi and Suzuki had a fantastic weekend. Both team riders in the top 6 outmatching any other team. I look forward to the test to see what the '09 Gs looks like.

I felt bad for Hopper falling behind and suspected it was fitness. He surely has a bright second half coming if he can get up to speed.

Dani whinging about the tires is fun to listen to. I remember the old days when Michelin was unbeatable and it falls on deaf ears I'll tell you.

Rossi is in a very good position as far as the championship goes. I don't think the season is done yet.

I think this race gets the award for the worst commentary and the worst video editing ever in motogp. It was just horrible! So many stupid shots that weren't about the race whatsoever. The announcers seemed to be desperate to make a boring race look exciting. Well, anyone can wipeout and it happened but to BS the drama thing. It was a wipeout and the next race is coming. The biggest story was the repaved track really. The tires really decided this race outcome as Elias or Capper would never have made the podium with a normal Michelin/Honda challenge. See, that is honesty Rossi fanboysl

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 17 2008, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I felt bad for Hopper falling behind and suspected it was fitness. He surely has a bright second half coming if he can get up to speed.

Face it...Hopper is not the type to get you a win. He may be able to get a podium here and there but he doesn't have thee IT factor.

Agreed. But something was affecting him this race probably the long layoff and bone healing.

Sorry for Stoner... but still 150 pts up for grabs so there's still a chance (albeit slimmer).

Congrats to Rossi and Capi.

As for Toni Elias, he always seem to manage an incredible ride when his future is at stake... so maybe alice ducati should sign him on a weekly basis. Same for ant west

Michelin, what a disgrace...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wheres the stoner fan club ??? what no congratulations at all. 9 page's in and not a peep


You usually include me in that company Rog.
I already congratulated him, along with Elias Capi, Westy & Nakano.

Good to see Kawasaki seem to have made some progress at long last.
Hope it continues.

Misano should be interesting.
Vale will want to win his home race, but I'm sure his team will hope he doesn't put too much on the line. Stoner no longer has a championship to try to chase down and will probably be free to just concentrate on the weekend. I think Vale will still be the one to beat here, but after Misano we may see him not taking as many risks.


Can Elias back up his Brno form?
Will Michelin suck for 4 races in a row?
If I remember rightly, last season was an all Bridgestone podium here.
Will Melandri be on the other Marlboro Ducati?


Still plenty to look forward to.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Aug 18 2008, 08:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

You frothing Rossi suckups don't give a damn about racing, all you want is to see your hero on the top step.

I have a question for those that bash Casey, Max, and anyone else who has beaten your alter ego. If Rossi's foes are all so 'undeserving' and 'crap,' what does that make Rossi? "The guy who beat a bunch of hacks?" Suddenly your God doesn't seem so special after all, eh?


And WTF is with:

"We won!" (Are you part of the team?)
"My Vale" (Graziano, is dat you?)

Frankly, it scares me that people identify so strongly with someone they don't know is any real sense, and possibly haven't even met. What kind of sick relationship do you have with the guy?

Feh....
Thank you for your attention my Geonerd..
...oh and Rossi is NOT my God. He is JUST my favorite rider on the grid.
...
...
Hey I'm serious !!

Vale deserved the win and congratulations go to him and his following... I was quite disappointed when Stoner crashed out, but I'll be pulling for him again next time.

cheers,
marlboro

Well may as well throw my thoughts into the mix even though many have already been covered by other posters.

To me, the race was not exciting but not dull either, it was after all just a race. The VR/CS duel to me highlights a major problem when they can just up and walk away from the rest of the field but I do suspect that JL/DP will improve once their tyres allow.

All up a rather unusual VR performance in that he won by miles, but this was bought about by CS falling and not of VR's making but he only has to do what is necessary to win.

I will not buy into the 'who would have won' scenario as we will never know, but what we do know is that VR stayed upright and now has a realistic unassailable lead (VR doesn't make many high point scoring mistakes).

But, I will say that there is no way CS choked. He was doing what he had to in order to with the World Championship and that was to finish in front of VR in all remaining races. Unfortunately it did not pan out in this race but judging by his body language in the pits on his return I do think that a large weight has been lifted from his shoulders as a result (if that makes sense).

So to a few individual comments.

VR - nothing needs to be said but congratulations on another
Elias - contract time
Capirossi - not surprising really as he is the real deal whether he is to old or not. Form is temporary and class is permanent and there can be no doubt where Capirossi lies.
Nakano - contract time or threat of another Japanese into the class, not sure. It could also have been getting the new bike. Time will tell.
West - so pleased for him and do feel that it shows his true riding ability (but still say that his set-up ability does let him down). The footage of him throwing the bike around was spectacular and for me a highlight, let us see if it keeps going. For me, this was the ride of the race as he has already been thrown out by many and finally he puts things together.
Vermuelen - now, I am a fan but am disappointed by this ride. He had third but appeared to lose a large bundle of time very quickly but then came good at the end. Needs consistency amd (ready for this) IMO was the most disappointing ride of the race.
Melandri - to little to late
DeAngelis - no idea, hardly saw him really so no judgement
Dovioso - sensational for the rookie to be leading Michelin punter. IMO he is the rookie of the year (not based on this result but he has impressed me more that JL).
Lorenzo - good confidence building finish. Much needed result and bodes well for next race.
Hopkins - disappointing to see him drop like a stone in the last few laps but still is his first race in a long time and fitness would have played a part. Not a fan but impressive showing for a while until the later laps.
Guintoli - a bit like DeAngelis really but if you judge alongside his team-mate you would say disappointing. Like the guy, but think he needs big results and fast
Toseland - despite finishing so low it impressed me that he was able to finish in front of CE and DP. Still a long way to go before I will commit that he 'belongs' but he has done nothing yet to say he does not.
Edwards - has new contract and now goes backwards. Am sure that the tyres played a part but this was disappointing (although not surprising IMO)
Pedrosa - am sure he is still sore and likely has no confidence in the rubber underneath him, but still very disappointing.
DePuniet - well out of the points but excellent to pickup and go again, nearly catching DP.

And finally to Stoner. Despite the crash he continues to impress with the ability to cut the fast times and take it to VR. Still a bit perplexed by the crash as it did look like a rear lose started it all but when riding on the limits eventually the odds will catch up and you will fall, now is that time.





Garry