Brno Race Discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 18 2008, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Amazing. Did you see the race? The timing showed that Rossi was catching Stoner. Was it a forced error? I dunno and niether do you. But it happened.

Knowing the pressure that Stoner has been under in the past it is unlikely that he was pressured to fall but keep believing that if it makes you feel good. I think Rossi would have caught him at some point and I wanted him to so I could see a race instead of well whatever that was in Brno. It makes no sense to throw away 25 points rather than settle for second and lose only 5. That was the only pressure he had, whether to lose 5 points and finish second nothing else since they were all alone. When Stoner fell I almost turned the race off because obviously the season is practically sewn up. But then Capper made a good move (unrecorded by the camera of course) and I stayed watching to see how he'd do.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 18 2008, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can you seriously say that you can't congratulate someone for an uncontested win?

That didn't come out right I agree. Of course he won the race and by 14 seconds well what can you say? Was I disappointed? Still am. I give no weight to the forced error though. Maybe if it was later in the race but not so early. If Hopper hadn't have been in the way then it would have unfolded quite differently.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 18 2008, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice little dig at Rossi fans at the end, shows exactly how you feel about things.

Ya maybe. I guy I know calls me a "Rossi hater" but really I'm not. He is the one with the big target on his back so ya beating him is the big goal unless you are a fan. But the real point was just to keep it in perspective. He won because Stoner fell. It's not the same as a win like Laguna is it? That was what I meant. Don't parade it around like it was some great win. It was a fortunate win but no contest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 18 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Knowing the pressure that Stoner has been under in the past it is unlikely that he was pressured to fall but keep believing that if it makes you feel good. I think Rossi would have caught him at some point and I wanted him to so I could see a race instead of well whatever that was in Brno. It makes no sense to throw away 25 points rather than settle for second and lose only 5. That was the only pressure he had, whether to lose 5 points and finish second nothing else since they were all alone. When Stoner fell I almost turned the race off because obviously the season is practically sewn up. But then Capper made a good move (unrecorded by the camera of course) and I stayed watching to see how he'd do.



That didn't come out right I agree. Of course he won the race and by 14 seconds well what can you say? Was I disappointed? Still am. I give no weight to the forced error though. Maybe if it was later in the race but not so early. If Hopper hadn't have been in the way then it would have unfolded quite differently.



Ya maybe. I guy I know calls me a "Rossi hater" but really I'm not. He is the one with the big target on his back so ya beating him is the big goal unless you are a fan. But the real point was just to keep it in perspective. He won because Stoner fell. It's not the same as a win like Laguna is it? That was what I meant. Don't parade it around like it was some great win. It was a fortunate win but no contest.
bla bla bla.. you still have not answered the question pete asked. do you congratulate stoner on his run away wins ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 17 2008, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wheres the stoner fan club ??? what no congratulations at all. 9 page's in and not a peep
I don't think it was pressure at all I just think it was something that made the front tuck surface wise. It sucks that he crashed cause he clearly was out in front. Oh well I guess I will have to put the voodoo on Rossi for the next race. You'll see, I am debating wheather I should have him crash or just have the bike fail. HMMMM. LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 18 2008, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats right... your learning something.
Give the 5 times motogp world champion props will ya ...
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You haven't answer my question, what's your fact please ?...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 18 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>blah blah blah blah...... he choked, end of story. Even Rossi himself said Casey succumbed to the 'pressure'. But hey look at it this way, at least Valentino actually has someone to compete with who can push him.
Of course Beloved Vale said he cracked under pressure. Sure he was just 1.4 seconds ahead of Valentino so I think the pressure was ........ and it just makes those who suck rossis .... feel good. The fact is that it sucked to see Casey go down cause there was real potential to see the two of them go at it in a battle for the ages. I just think it was something with the front end of the bike cause that is just not characteristic of Casey to crash like that when he had a decent lead in the race. It's for all the Vale buttboys that I hope he has the same fate Casey did in the next race so all of you can eat your words and make excuses for him. Because it just couldn't be the pressure eh? The race and the fans lost out yesterday cause that would have been a good one to the end. Good job for TONI ELIAS for once to come in on the podium! That Ducati was workin decent enough to get the position. Shame he isn't as fast as Stoner and Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 18 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it was pressure at all I just think it was something that made the front tuck surface wise. It sucks that he crashed cause he clearly was out in front. Oh well I guess I will have to put the voodoo on Rossi for the next race. You'll see, I am debating wheather I should have him crash or just have the bike fail. HMMMM. LOL
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(roger-m @ Aug 17 2008, 11:37 PM)
wheres the stoner fan club ??? what no congratulations at all. 9 page's in and not a peep huh.gif

where did i say he crashed due to pressure ?
im just pointing out that so called rossi fanboys on this forum are always congratulating stoner on his wins yet 9 page's into this thread not one of the usual stoner mob had a single good word to say about any of the riders who rostrumed let alone rossi's win and thats a fact !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>bla bla bla.. you still have not answered the question pete asked. do you congratulate stoner on his run away wins ?

I remember only saying in his defense that they were equally as boring as when Rossi ran away for years on the Honda with no contest. I was certainly glad though that someone else other than Rossi was winning for once that is for sure it was getting predicable and boring as hell. And it is hard to compare a runaway win with a win where there was no one to run away from like this race from the wipe-out onwards. I had high hopes for a great race this weekend after such a layoff and it was .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 18 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Knowing the pressure that Stoner has been under in the past it is unlikely that he was pressured to fall but keep believing that if it makes you feel good. I think Rossi would have caught him at some point and I wanted him to so I could see a race instead of well whatever that was in Brno. It makes no sense to throw away 25 points rather than settle for second and lose only 5. That was the only pressure he had, whether to lose 5 points and finish second nothing else since they were all alone. When Stoner fell I almost turned the race off because obviously the season is practically sewn up. But then Capper made a good move (unrecorded by the camera of course) and I stayed watching to see how he'd do.



That didn't come out right I agree. Of course he won the race and by 14 seconds well what can you say? Was I disappointed? Still am. I give no weight to the forced error though. Maybe if it was later in the race but not so early. If Hopper hadn't have been in the way then it would have unfolded quite differently.



Ya maybe. I guy I know calls me a "Rossi hater" but really I'm not. He is the one with the big target on his back so ya beating him is the big goal unless you are a fan. But the real point was just to keep it in perspective. He won because Stoner fell. It's not the same as a win like Laguna is it? That was what I meant. Don't parade it around like it was some great win. It was a fortunate win but no contest.

Ok read my ....... post, I don't say that it was a forced error, I said that I don't know and niether do you. You even quote what i have written and say that I'm saying it was a forced error! Don't put words into my mouth to justify what you have written. The race timing said that Rossi was catching up, fact.

And I'm not parading it as a big win as you say, I'm saying one guy fell, one guy didn't. To finish first, first you must finish.

My point is that you said that you couldn't congratulate Rossi for an uncontested win. There was a contest, and one guy fell off, (note, no mention of forced error, before you start that again.) to say that makes Rossi's win any less of an achievement is laughable. If you want to make controversial statements, then be ready to back them up. Factually, not with the power of your imagination.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where did i say he crashed due to pressure ?
im just pointing out that so called rossi fanboys on this forum are always congratulating stoner on his wins yet 9 page's into this thread not one of the usual stoner mob had a single good word to say about any of the riders who rostrumed let alone rossi's win and thats a fact !
I wasn't just commenting on your post I guess it was an amalgamation of some of the previous ones where people were saying how much pressure got on Stoner. I agree with all the fanboy .... your saying cause it is pretty funny. THe same thing happens when vale ..... up though to. Still a bit of season to go so I am confident we shall see something come down to the end. People said this about Haydens season when Dickdrosa took him out at Estoril so you and I know not to just jump to conclusions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where did i say he crashed due to pressure ?
im just pointing out that so called rossi fanboys on this forum are always congratulating stoner on his wins yet 9 page's into this thread not one of the usual stoner mob had a single good word to say about any of the riders who rostrumed let alone rossi's win and thats a fact !


ah c'mon rog. plenty of ppl congratulated rossi who are stoner fans. let's not TRY to make something outta nothing. here, i'll say it again..... congrats to rossi!

just because i'm not on posting during the race, or afterwards on sunday doesn't mean i won't. just got other things in life going on and i'm not online as much when i'm off work. lol shhhhh

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just wanted to add that i was really happy for the kawasaki boys. ya hopper faded, but i figured he would. first race back from a major injury. he obviously has the pace, and the bike looked much better too. gives me some hope!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 18 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ah c'mon rog. plenty of ppl congratulated rossi who are stoner fans. let's not TRY to make something outta nothing. here, i'll say it again..... congrats to rossi!

just because i'm not on posting during the race, or afterwards on sunday doesn't mean i won't. just got other things in life going on and i'm not online as much when i'm off work. lol shhhhh

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just wanted to add that i was really happy for the kawasaki boys. ya hopper faded, but i figured he would. first race back from a major injury. he obviously has the pace, and the bike looked much better too. gives me some hope!
........ ! upto the 9th page you show me where the usual stoner mob and you know who im talking about, you show me where they offered any congratulations! several came in after i pointed it out and some saying there stoner fans but dont list him as there favorite !. its seems most (not all) stoner fans are rossi haters which imo proves there not race fans just fanboys ! if the shoe fits djm wear it !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........ ! upto the 9th page you show me where the usual stoner mob and you know who im talking about, you show me where they offered any congratulations! several came in after i pointed it out and some saying there stoner fans but dont list him as there favorite !. its seems most (not all) stoner fans are rossi haters which imo proves there not race fans just fanboys ! if the shoe fits djm wear it !


wow dude.

oh no!! up to 9 pages and you didn't get to hear the credit you were looking for. only got it until page 10!! gasp!

jesus man. you're defiitely on a war path to stir .... up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 18 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> wow dude.

oh no!! up to 9 pages and you didn't get to hear the credit you were looking for. only got it until page 10!! gasp!

jesus man. you're defiitely on a war path to stir .... up.
well where 11 pages in now and still no sign of our usual stoner brigade !

not stiring up .... just pointing out a double standard.

Wow, what a topsy turvy race, definitely not what we have come to expect in Moto GP this year, in terms of finishing positions. Michelin completely screwed up, again. When are we ever going to see Tony Elias on a podium or Ant West in the top 5 again? At any rate, this race was a real big moral booster for all those struggling teams and riders this year. Except for RdP, didn't the guy look down to see what tires he was running before he started the race, he should have know better, but then again he loves gravel. Great rides though by Elias and Nakano. Bring on the spec tire rule.

Hey chill out guys...relax...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well where 11 pages in now and still no sign of our usual stoner brigade !

not stiring up .... just pointing out a double standard.

whatever man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Aug 18 2008, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, what a topsy turvy race, definitely not what we have come to expect in Moto GP this year, in terms of finishing positions. Michelin completely screwed up, again. When are we ever going to see Tony Elias on a podium or Ant West in the top 5 again? At any rate, this race was a real big moral booster for all those struggling teams and riders this year. Except for RdP, didn't the guy look down to see what tires he was running before he started the race, he should have know better, but then again he loves gravel. Great rides though by Elias and Nakano. Bring on the spec tire rule.
Randy needs to go and let someone who can actually ride a bike use it instead of being a crash test dummy.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 18 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Give the 5 times motogp world champion props will ya ...
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You haven't answer my question, what's your fact please ?...

F, being a 5 times champion doesn't make him an oracle. It's just plain stupid to take his word for it. He doesn't mind playing mind games allthough I don't think he did here, and while he said pressure might have something to do with it, he also clearly said that's what happens when you are down on points, and that was a very clear reference to his own experience.
If it's one thing these two guys have in common in their personality it's their competetivness. They want to win, and what ever pressure they have it's 99% self induced. That's not about choking or anything like that, it's about winners. Winners who couldn't care less if they end up second or tenth, it's only one position that is good enough and that's #1. In the situation Stoner were in before this weekend he had to beat Rossi to have any real hope of taking the championship, and when done is done I bet that's why he took it so easy afterwards too. He did what he had to do, failed in trying but at least tried. I respect that a lot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 18 2008, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>F, being a 5 times champion doesn't make him an oracle. It's just plain stupid to take his word for it. He doesn't mind playing mind games allthough I don't think he did here, and while he said pressure might have something to do with it, he also clearly said that's what happens when you are down on points, and that was a very clear reference to his own experience.
If it's one thing these two guys have in common in their personality it's their competetivness. They want to win, and what ever pressure they have it's 99% self induced. That's not about choking or anything like that, it's about winners. Winners who couldn't care less if they end up second or tenth, it's only one position that is good enough and that's #1. In the situation Stoner were in before this weekend he had to beat Rossi to have any real hope of taking the championship, and when done is done I bet that's why he took it so easy afterwards too. He did what he had to do, failed in trying but at least tried. I respect that a lot.
There still is much of a chance so who really knows who can run away with it. Sure Rossi looks like the one who is in control but you never really know til its over.