Brno Race Discussion

Not sure if this belongs in here, but for anyone interested these are the day one testing times:

1 Casey Stoner Ducati 1'56.261 52 laps
2 Valentino Rossi Yamaha 1'57.332 28 laps
3 Toni Elias Ducati 1'57.457 49 laps
4 Shinya Nakano Honda 1'57.652 33 laps
5 Chris Vermeulen Suzuki 1'57.742 79 laps
6 Colin Edwards Yamaha 1'57.742 59 laps
7 Alex de Angelis Honda 1'57.826 68 laps
8 Sylvain Guintoli Ducati 1'57.859 54 laps
9 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1'57.979 65 laps
10 Loris Capirossi Suzuki 1'58.177 17 laps
11 Niccolo Canepa Ducati 1'58.204 60 laps
12 Marco Melandri Ducati 1'58.325 69 laps
13 Randy de Puniet Honda 1'58.568 56 laps
14 Dani Pedrosa Honda 1'59.067 5 laps
15 Olivier Jacque Kawasaki 1'59.130 8 laps
16 Andrea Dovizioso Honda 1'59.172 21 laps
17 James Toseland Yamaha 1'59.228 45 laps
18 John Hopkins Kawasaki 2'00.414 4 laps
19 Tady Okada Honda 2'00.735 62 laps

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 18 2008, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The race timing said that Rossi was catching up, fact.

Drivel. Catching up by gaining .2 seconds is not catching up and we both don't know how the lead was being handled, as you said. I said clearly I expected him to close at some time and he would have on lap one if he hadn't been held up by Hopkins which would have benefited both riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 18 2008, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And I'm not parading it as a big win as you say, I'm saying one guy fell, one guy didn't. To finish first, first you must finish.

If you can believe it my original post was not pointed towards you so you can figure it out from there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 18 2008, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point is that you said that you couldn't congratulate Rossi for an uncontested win. There was a contest, and one guy fell off, (note, no mention of forced error, before you start that again.) to say that makes Rossi's win any less of an achievement is laughable. If you want to make controversial statements, then be ready to back them up. Factually, not with the power of your imagination.

Whatever. There was no contest after the wipe-out was there? Didn't I imply that? If not that is what I mean. And it is less of an achievement IMO laugh all you want that is how I see it. A fighting win is not the same as lapping with no competition. It isn't Rossi's fault there is no competition but there wasn't any. Anyone in second place could have won that way. That is it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 18 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course Beloved Vale said he cracked under pressure. Sure he was just 1.4 seconds ahead of Valentino
Make that 1.0 or more likely .8 - .9 by the time he crashed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>so I think the pressure was ........ and it just makes those who suck rossis .... feel good. The fact is that it sucked to see Casey go down cause there was real potential to see the two of them go at it in a battle for the ages.
That's true, I would love to see another battle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I just think it was something with the front end of the bike cause that is just not characteristic of Casey to crash like that when he had a decent lead in the race. It's for all the Vale buttboys that I hope he has the same fate Casey did in the next race so all of you can eat your words and make excuses for him.

MUU-HA-HA-HA
You are incredible.

Ever heard of Crashy? Not characteristic my .... Ok, I'll agree that his old nick doesn't suit him anymore but to go from there to blame the front, a blunt excuse for his rider error is quite a step. He was going one second below the old track record. At that pace you are on the edge with the very best equipment available, and at it's most advantageous setting. "Something with the front" - Sure it was something with the front, it was FANTASTIC!
And after that talking about Rossi fans making up excuses if he crash in the next couple of rounds.
Kettle, pot, black anyone?

Casey was as sick as a dog over the race weekend,I just didn`t see him staving off a fired up Vale for the race distance.Maybe that small ..... in his stamina just couldn`t see him rescue the bike from tipping off at that corner especially with a determined Vale slowly chipping away.I`m a self confessed Hayden fan btw so I`m nuetral.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 18 2008, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There still is much of a chance so who really knows who can run away with it. Sure Rossi looks like the one who is in control but you never really know til its over.

Sure, anything can happen, but now he must rely on others to win the championship. Technical failure, injuries, crashes... and all that CAN happen but no chapion are happy to rely on that.
Realistically he has little chanse of winning if Rossi continue in his current form witch means nothing less than podiums for the rest of the seson including a couple of wins and he knows it.
But I'm 100% sure he will fight to the bitter end.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 18 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Drivel. Catching up by gaining .2 seconds is not catching up and we both don't know how the lead was being handled, as you said. I said clearly I expected him to close at some time and he would have on lap one if he hadn't been held up by Hopkins which would have benefited both riders.



If you can believe it my original post was not pointed towards you so you can figure it out from there.

Whatever. There was no contest after the wipe-out was there? Didn't I imply that? If not that is what I mean. And it is less of an achievement IMO laugh all you want that is how I see it. A fighting win is not the same as lapping with no competition. It isn't Rossi's fault there is no competition but there wasn't any. Anyone in second place could have won that way. That is it.

You have just contradicted yourself in that statement big time, do you want a spade to dig a bigger hole? The fact is, Vale was closer to Casey than he had been. So he was catching him, you said it yourself. We dont know what the race plan was, but, we wont, because Casey fell.

I didnt say your first post was aimed at me, but then you came on and said that I was making a big thing about the win. Which I wasnt.

And as to your last statement, obviously there was no contest after the wipeout, but it wasnt Rossi who made the mistake and fell!

Get over it, Rossi won the race. And while you are at it take the time to read what folks are saying, and look back at what you have written yourself.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 18 2008, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey was as sick as a dog over the race weekend,I just didn`t see him staving off a fired up Vale for the race distance.Maybe that small ..... in his stamina just couldn`t see him rescue the bike from tipping off at that corner especially with a determined Vale slowly chipping away.I`m a self confessed Hayden fan btw so I`m nuetral.

Could have been a problem but at elast it was reported that he was in a lot better form allready on Saturday. My stand is that they were on pretty equal footing in that regard. Rossi had his own problems getting a sinus and ear infections and were on antibiotics.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 18 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Make that 1.0 or more likely .8 - .9 by the time he crashed.

That's true, I would love to see another battle.


MUU-HA-HA-HA
You are incredible.

Ever heard of Crashy? Not characteristic my .... Ok, I'll agree that his old nick doesn't suit him anymore but to go from there to blame the front, a blunt excuse for his rider error is quite a step. He was going one second below the old track record. At that pace you are on the edge with the very best equipment available, and at it's most advantageous setting. "Something with the front" - Sure it was something with the front, it was FANTASTIC!
And after that talking about Rossi fans making up excuses if he crash in the next couple of rounds.
Kettle, pot, black anyone?


Have a go now since you are able that is cool I really don't mind. Plus he isn't charastic of crashing since he has been with Ducati. Yes on the piece of .... honda he did crash, he was a crasher then. Look I like pretty much all the racers except for a few. Hey I am a Rossi fan to I just think that he should be on the Italian machine. What is wrong with that. Just my opinion in that respect. Not trying to start a web riot I just feel that his week was .... since he was really feelin sick and more than likely had strength issues. Plus Vale was 1.34 sec behind when he crashed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 18 2008, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Could have been a problem but at elast it was reported that he was in a lot better form allready on Saturday. My stand is that they were on pretty equal footing in that regard. Rossi had his own problems getting a sinus and ear infections and were on antibiotics.

Ahhh,I never knew that Vale was ill too,ta bud.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 18 2008, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure, anything can happen, but now he must rely on others to win the championship. Technical failure, injuries, crashes... and all that CAN happen but no chapion are happy to rely on that.
Realistically he has little chanse of winning if Rossi continue in his current form witch means nothing less than podiums for the rest of the seson including a couple of wins and he knows it.
But I'm 100% sure he will fight to the bitter end.
Agreed. I just really hope it's a barn burner til the end.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 18 2008, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. I just really hope it's a barn burner til the end.

Stoner vs Rossi till end of season,deffo garunteed barnburner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 18 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I remember only saying in his defense that they were equally as boring as when Rossi ran away for years on the Honda with no contest. I was certainly glad though that someone else other than Rossi was winning for once that is for sure it was getting predicable and boring as hell. And it is hard to compare a runaway win with a win where there was no one to run away from like this race from the wipe-out onwards. I had high hopes for a great race this weekend after such a layoff and it was .....
Gsfan i think you have to go back and watch those races again carefully and you will find out although rossi was winning most of the races but they never boring.He was always having close races with max and sete or sometimes even borros but on other hand with all the talent in world it looks like casey still don't like close racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 18 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have a go now since you are able that is cool I really don't mind. Plus he isn't charastic of crashing since he has been with Ducati. Yes on the piece of .... honda he did crash, he was a crasher then. Look I like pretty much all the racers except for a few. Hey I am a Rossi fan to I just think that he should be on the Italian machine. What is wrong with that.
Nothing at all, I would also like to see him on a Ducati, and I would very much like to be on one myself. Do you have $50k to waste on me?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Just my opinion in that respect. Not trying to start a web riot I just feel that his week was .... since he was really feelin sick and more than likely had strength issues. Plus Vale was 1.34 sec behind when he crashed.
Check your facts man, it was 1.046 at the start of the lap (asuming that's what they showed just seconds before Stoner crashed) and allthough being his strongest section Rossi were a tad slower on T1 the last time around but only by 0.011. That should drive the gap up to 1.057 to be precise.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Aug 18 2008, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure if this belongs in here, but for anyone interested these are the day one testing times:

1 Casey Stoner Ducati 1'56.261 52 laps
2 Valentino Rossi Yamaha 1'57.332 28 laps
3 Toni Elias Ducati 1'57.457 49 laps
4 Shinya Nakano Honda 1'57.652 33 laps
5 Chris Vermeulen Suzuki 1'57.742 79 laps
6 Colin Edwards Yamaha 1'57.742 59 laps
7 Alex de Angelis Honda 1'57.826 68 laps
8 Sylvain Guintoli Ducati 1'57.859 54 laps
9 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1'57.979 65 laps
10 Loris Capirossi Suzuki 1'58.177 17 laps
11 Niccolo Canepa Ducati 1'58.204 60 laps
12 Marco Melandri Ducati 1'58.325 69 laps
13 Randy de Puniet Honda 1'58.568 56 laps
14 Dani Pedrosa Honda 1'59.067 5 laps
15 Olivier Jacque Kawasaki 1'59.130 8 laps
16 Andrea Dovizioso Honda 1'59.172 21 laps
17 James Toseland Yamaha 1'59.228 45 laps
18 John Hopkins Kawasaki 2'00.414 4 laps
19 Tady Okada Honda 2'00.735 62 lapsThats an interesting gap!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 18 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Drivel. Catching up by gaining .2 seconds is not catching up and we both don't know how the lead was being handled,
thats one of the stupidest things ive read. it was more like .3 or .4 of a sec for a start but even so .2 of a sec a lap with 16 laps to =3.2 sec when stoner was onlt 1 sec ahead. so he was most defo catching up.
and the lead was not being handled because he crashed !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Aug 18 2008, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats an interesting gap!!
Absolutly, but then we don't know if there were q-tires at play here. Duacti had nothing new to test just a few tires, if Stoner were 100% honest in the post race interview.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 18 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutly, but then we don't know if there were q-tires at play here. Duacti had nothing new to test just a few tires, if Stoner were 100% honest in the post race interview.Well all I've read is that they didn't use the GP9 today, the full stories aren't in yet. Fingers crossed that it's genuine though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 18 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nothing at all, I would also like to see him on a Ducati, and I would very much like to be on one myself. Do you have $50k to waste on me?

Check your facts man, it was 1.046 at the start of the lap (asuming that's what they showed just seconds before Stoner crashed) and allthough being his strongest section Rossi were a tad slower on T1 the last time around but only by 0.011. That should drive the gap up to 1.057 to be precise.

If I did have that kinda money I would have two of them so I could ride on and have the other incase I messed the other one up. I suppose if I had a rediculous amount of money like that I would be buying .... like that for my buds. Things like that are way more fun when there are a group of you instead of being by myself so. I will let you know when I win the powerball cause I am sure it is just a matter of time. YEAH BABY DESMOSEDICI HERE I COME! I am going by what Mick Doohan said as he crashed and said the gap was about 1.3 so call Mick up and tell him he was wrong.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 18 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gsfan i think you have to go back and watch those races again carefully and you will find out although rossi was winning most of the races but they never boring.He was always having close races with max and sete or sometimes even borros but on other hand with all the talent in world it looks like casey still don't like close racing.

True they began close but more often than not they finished in a runaway and Biaggi or Sete only challenged briefly and never threatened Rossi's championship effort. If Rossi had won every race regardless of the details in the last 8 years would you continue to watch? Some guys here would be satisfied for Rossi to win on an empty track race after race. It's senseless.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 18 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Give the 5 times motogp world champion props will ya ...
Since I'm pretty sure that you're a well balanced side here
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You haven't answer my question, what's your fact please ?...
ok... i'll give him his as i've done plenty of times.... but not for mind reading. what do you think because hes 5 times champ that he has such insight into the minds of his competitors that cause he sez it it's got to be fact? i suppose that if he said white is black you'd march right intune with him, proffesing his all knowing all seeing mind. take off yer glass's for once and take stoners fall for what it was, a simple mistake early in the race just as he was gettin into his rythm. you have a bright future in the cult of rossi...