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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (coops @ Aug 17 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can have a world champion who never wins, but always second, or one that wins races???

How many races did Hayden win that year???

Just consistent

The same has Roberts winning the world championship, it happens now and again.

So consistency is luck... ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (coops @ Aug 17 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can have a world champion who never wins, but always second, or one that wins races???

How many races did Hayden win that year???

Just consistent

The same has Roberts winning the world championship, it happens now and again.

That's why the scoring system has to change. I mean, come on, as a racer you always fight to finish first.... that is the only way to go about racing. You race to WIN, thats it. If they awarded 1st place with twice the points of second place finisher then that give riders more incentive to really bring it and not settle for anything less than a win, thus making racing more exciting for the viewers, thus bringing in sponsors, more fans, more money, etc.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mstar @ Aug 17 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the way i see it casey gambled on a softer tyre to break a gap to rossi and THINING rossi will not be able to pass him or get close if he pulls a couple of second lead. As we know he knows if rossi got in front its difficult to pass him.

Rossi looked very much in control the last couple of laps where stoner was bucking and weaving (but hey thats stoner and duke :) )looking ON THE LIMIT! and when rossi took 0.3 out of stoner he i think just chocked no point looking at the bike trying to think the wheel fell off causing the spin. it was a simplt pressure situation and i must admit rossi or stoner were running at a VERY high pace and it was just who could push hardest and not over. Stoner should know by now that rossi on race day can find a couple of tenths in race conditions.

I'm a bit disappointed Stoner has not been able to keep it up until the end of the race.

Yamaha look like they have improved acceleration on a full tank but i would like to see if Stoner has the advantage at the end.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 17 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well hayden did podium 10 times in his wc winning year and krjr 9 podiums in his. hayden having 2 wins 3 seconds and 5 thirds. krjr having 4 wins 4 seconds and 1 third. thats not forget how competitive it is just to get into the top 10 in this sport so the above feats are not to be belittled. this is a very old debate that not many here will be keen to engage in. look back 2 years and you will see this topic was done to death.

welcome to the forum by the way.


Thankyou
 
Why the hell was Stoner smiling all the way to the garage? If I had to choose between a pissed off Stoner tossing his helmet/gloves and bitching out people vs a smiling I don't give a .... Stoner, I would choose the pissed off Stoner.

Barring something happens to Rossi then he should win the championship. Obvioulsly Rossi will not wear the #1 plate. The question is will Stoner steal the #2 plate from Pedrosa
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In his interview with Suzie, Elias said they received new parts in Sach and he could have been competitive in Laguna. This just solidifies the argument that satelite teams are worthless when it comes to advancement. I think that its probably due to the expense of the motogp bike but also that the 800's are still relatively new. Although I don't think and endless supply of money or a few years will change things. Shinya just proves that you have to have factory support to be competitive. I guess also the right tires too

Stoner and Rossi have something that the other riders don't. Is it better skills as all the fans of each would love to think or is it a better package/team?

My initial impression of the race was that it was boring, but then thinking back now it wsa actually pretty exciting. To see new faces up front was very refreshing. The producers have definitely figured out that showing the front packers race around the track by themselves is suicide. Although weird people like Barry love to see riders ride around the track by themselves??
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Good to see Lorenzo make it around this time, even though he was on the Michelins. RDP was pushing and you could hear Doohan just sigh because he new he was gong to bin it. Pedrosa almost last?? What the hell happened to him?

So is this a good ride for Melandri or what? I still don't know what the hell is going on with him. Obviously he did better this race but he was towards the rear for the B-Stone group. Just not sure about him.

Capi on the podium
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Vermi - what happend?

Hopkins - we know you are hurting
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Aug 17 2008, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm surprised to see people claiming the race to be a snorefest. I thought it was entertaining!

And I told you Nakano could pull a podium and no-one believed me! He got close already, it's possible that he'll reach it in one of the remaining races. Elias obviously had a great race as well as West and Capirossi of course.

Well, the most interesting stuff in that race were the resulting pos. 2 - 5. The race it self were deflated with Stoners crash.

But nothing suggest Nakano will do any better than he did today. It must be the most aputated field in MotoGP history. With HRC totally out of the race, with the rest of the Michelin riders at the bottom. I don't see another oportunity like that comming any time soon. Nakano had his best chanse today and the best he could do was forth.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 17 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...The producers have definitely figured out that showing the front packers race around the track by themselves is suicide. Although weird people like Barry love to see riders ride around the track by themselves??...

Every race that has a single frontrunner always has the cameras focusing elsewhere. Today was nothing new.
 
Not what I expected. But then again it was hardly realistic to expect another Laguna.
Well done to Vale, who can hardly be blamed for producing a boring race, if boring it was. What'd you expect him to do? Hang back and wait for the others to catch up for your entertainment??? It was nice to see him back in winning form at the track where he won his first GP.
I was gutted for Casey when he fell. I don't know it was pressure from Rossi, the softer tyre or just sheer bad luck, and I don't even really much care. I'd have liked to see a duel at the end and given that Casey was running a softer tyre I think it's quite realistic to think it might have been possible that Vale would have closed off the distance before the end of the race.
I was pleased for Marco, surprised (to say the least) by West....and perplexed by Nakano. It was also great to see that old dog Loris back on the podium...seems his renewal for next year is pretty much in the bag, and he can still teach those young puppies a trick or two.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 17 2008, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Alice team seem to be improving ever since they got shot of d antin. amazing what incentive a paycheck will have on people
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Indeed....Toni always pulls his finger out when it's contract renewing time.
AND it seems seeing Toni flash by finally lit a fire under the seat of Melandri's pants. To see his ex-team mate climb through the field on a satellite bike must have given him a 'now or never' kick up the backside. Not stellar...but 7th's a good result compared to what we've had all season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 17 2008, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Randy: Do you have shares in the spare parts manufacturing industry??
ROFL!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Aug 17 2008, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has Rossi got the "Molokio" on Stoner???
I'm sure you mean 'malocchio'...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esco @ Aug 17 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I read on another forum that Stoner was running a softer tire than Rossi. Can this be confirmed?
Yes. Livio Suppo confirmed this too in his post race interview.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Aug 17 2008, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Melandri to Kawasaki for 2009?
Anyone hear anything mentioned about that?
Melandri was interviewed post-race. He said his options for next year are Kawa or back to Gresini it seems.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Aug 17 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3) What the hell did Ducati do to upgrade the satellite bikes?
They got rid of D'Antin and put Suppo on the job.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 17 2008, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm glad to know Rossi knows what tires his competitors are running.
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As if this sport had one shred of legitimacy left, anyways.
Since you are obviously not well informed...it is a Bridgestone policy that all their riders know what everyone else is using. Stoner was just as well aware of Rossi's tyre choice as Rossi was of Stoner's.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (coops @ Aug 17 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lets face it Rossi is a legend!!!!!
He has missed out on being World Champion for two years now. Haydon never should have been World Champion, very lucky..............and Casey on the Ducati and Bridgetones was in a different league.
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It's people like you who make non-Rossi fans hate the guy. How embarrassing.You're just lucky it's late on a Sunday night and I'm too tired to get my 'newbie shredding claws' out....but consider yourself warned.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mstar @ Aug 17 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the way i see it casey gambled on a softer tyre to break a gap to rossi and THINING rossi will not be able to pass him or get close if he pulls a couple of second lead. As we know he knows if rossi got in front its difficult to pass him.

Rossi looked very much in control the last couple of laps where stoner was bucking and weaving (but hey thats stoner and duke :) )looking ON THE LIMIT! and when rossi took 0.3 out of stoner he i think just chocked no point looking at the bike trying to think the wheel fell off causing the spin. it was a simplt pressure situation and i must admit rossi or stoner were running at a VERY high pace and it was just who could push hardest and not over. Stoner should know by now that rossi on race day can find a couple of tenths in race conditions.

If "to choke" means what I think it does I don't agree. Rossi said it the best in the interview with suzy. When you are down on points and have to push hard these things happen. He speeks out of experience you might say
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To choke to me is what Gibernau did, how many times, 10?. Making that fatal misstake at the end of the race, or going off again and again when a good position or win was in sight. That's choking to me. This was just a slight misstake in a very difficult corner when he started to feel the pressure. Quite a bit from choking for me. YMMV.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Aug 17 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'> (mylexicon @ Aug 17 2008, 08:04 PM)
I'm glad to know Rossi knows what tires his competitors are running. As if this sport had one shred of legitimacy left, anyways.

Since you are obviously not well informed...it is a Bridgestone policy that all their riders know what everyone else is using. Stoner was just as well aware of Rossi's tyre choice as Rossi was of Stoner's.


HEY! don't ruin a good conspiracy with facts! I hate it when people do that
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Aug 17 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's people like you who make non-Rossi fans hate the guy. How embarrassing.You're just lucky it's late on a Sunday night and I'm too tired to get my 'newbie shredding claws' out....but consider yourself warned.

Another crash.net poster lost its way.

on another note what happened to Pedrosa?? Is he still very hurt? Or is it that he doesn't have his number one test rider supplying him with data?
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Doohan was actually a pretty decent anouncer, but Greg white needs to be shot ASAP.
 
<span style="color:#0000FFIt's people like you who make non-Rossi fans hate the guy.

I suppose you know what you mean???
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 17 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, the most interesting stuff in that race were the resulting pos. 2 - 5. The race it self were deflated with Stoners crash.

But nothing suggest Nakano will do any better than he did today. It must be the most aputated field in MotoGP history. With HRC totally out of the race, with the rest of the Michelin riders at the bottom. I don't see another oportunity like that comming any time soon. Nakano had his best chanse today and the best he could do was forth.

i disagree with you that Nakano could of not done better than a 4th. First of all.... He was on a somwhat new bike, still learning the ropes, having to qualify in the WET on a new bike, which i think 8th is a pretty decent position learning a new bike in the wet. So starting off in 8th position he then was caught up in the midfield tussle making him lose precious time....YET even as far back as he was he came storming in passing alot of riders to finish in 4th place. i think it's a pretty good result considering this is his first time on the bike.
 
[quote name='mylexicon' date='Aug 17 2008, 07:04 PM' post='146168']
I'm glad to know Rossi knows what tires his competitors are running.
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As if this sport had one shred of legitimacy left, anyways.
It was said on BBC coverage that all B'stone riders are allowed to see whos running what whereas withMichelin this isnt the case,so there you go it isnt just special treatment for the special one...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 17 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i disagree with you that Nakano could of not done better than a 4th. First of all.... He was on a somwhat new bike, still learning the ropes, having to qualify in the WET on a new bike, which i think 8th is a pretty decent position learning a new bike in the wet. So starting off in 8th position he then was caught up in the midfield tussle making him lose precious time....YET even as far back as he was he came storming in passing alot of riders to finish in 4th place. i think it's a pretty good result considering this is his first time on the bike.


I have to agree to a certain extent. I think that Nakano is capable of good results. He had a few things working for him mainly he was on B-Stones and the losers were on Michelins. But he also had a few things working against him, new bike + lack of setup time. I think that his result is impressive and that with the proper equipment he is able to challenge for a good result, now.

I think that Babel is also correct. Shinya does not have factory support therefore he doesn't have a lot of time. He has the factory bike as is now, but as the factory bikes improve Shinya has what he has. Although Honda may want to re-think their satelite team policy. Especailly since the 800's are developing so rapidly for other teams. They might let a few parts and developemnt data trickle down to make the satelite teams more competitive.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 17 2008, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i disagree with you that Nakano could of not done better than a 4th. First of all.... He was on a somwhat new bike, still learning the ropes, having to qualify in the WET on a new bike, which i think 8th is a pretty decent position learning a new bike in the wet. So starting off in 8th position he then was caught up in the midfield tussle making him lose precious time....YET even as far back as he was he came storming in passing alot of riders to finish in 4th place. i think it's a pretty good result considering this is his first time on the bike.

I didn't say he couldn't have done better this time around, but as it was he didn't. For the rest of the season he will hopefully also have HRC and the whole Yamaha/michelin bunch to fight against in addition to those around him this time. I don't see him in front of most of these guys in another race.
This was the one off opertunity and it resulted in fourth.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 17 2008, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Since you are obviously not well informed...it is a Bridgestone policy that all their riders know what everyone else is using. Stoner was just as well aware of Rossi's tyre choice as Rossi was of Stoner's.


HEY! don't ruin a good conspiracy with facts! I hate it when people do that
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 18 2008, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...
3. Why does the greatest racer of all time have to win illegitimate titles? I'm aware there is no honor in slugging it out on Michelins but let's be real--Rossi was handed world championship equipment by the governing body. Rossi turned down a ride at Ducati on numerous occassions, nice of Ezy to bail him out. Where are Hayden's B-stones? He should have taken the Ducati ride as well!
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CODE RED !!!!
CODE RED !!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Aug 17 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Since you are obviously not well informed...it is a Bridgestone policy that all their riders know what everyone else is using. Stoner was just as well aware of Rossi's tyre choice as Rossi was of Stoner's.

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It's not what I know, it's what everyone else doesn't. I guess that assertion was a bit over the top.

This is quite a milestone. It's not the first time I've been wrong, but it is the first time anyone attempted to use facts to make a counterpoint.
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